Do you support Canadian Troops?

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Finder

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Re: RE: Do you support Canadian Troops?

Retired_Can_Soldier said:
Occupation. That is the latest catch phrase used by killers to paint themselves as bictims. Canada no more occupies Afghanistan than Switzerlandland occupies Quebec.

Such nonsense.

Sir, I meant no disrespect, as I was actually trying to find a solution to the problem. As in wearing the peace keeping helmets instead of the reg force helmets. It's a perception issue for me, and I think if we at least made our soldurers appear to be on a peace keeping mission it would help them in the long run gain the trust of the locals. Would you not agree? I did not ever say they were an force of Occupation.
 

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the caracal kid said:
the topic question reminds me of the fable of the frog and the scorpion....

The topic question is too reactionary. Unless Canadian Troops started to Torture or abuse people they have my faith. Do I think we can be doing this mission a little differently.... yes. So hmmmm, how can I answer that question?
 

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It's a perception issue for me, and I think if we at least made our soldurers appear to be on a peace keeping mission it would help them in the long run gain the trust of the locals.

Being on a combat mission, we're doing fine. We don't need to lie to the locals as to why we're there. That'd just compound the issue.
 

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Mogz said:
It's a perception issue for me, and I think if we at least made our soldurers appear to be on a peace keeping mission it would help them in the long run gain the trust of the locals.

Being on a combat mission, we're doing fine. We don't need to lie to the locals as to why we're there. That'd just compound the issue.

So what are you saying then? We are there on a legitimate mission of occupation, or are we on a peace keeping mission? While our troops are walking into towns and villages do you want our troops to appear as if there on a "combat mission" of some sort.

Remember the Afcans are used to these types of things. Remember that the soviets where invited by the more or less legitimate communist government at the time to impose a peace with the islamic millitants. Doesn't this just sound like the same god damned thing with just a different government and a different super power. I'd rather have our troops in there flying the colour of the UN to legitimize this mission, then the colours of NATO which is not so much loved, well besides the handful of careerist opritunist politcians in power.
 

Mogz

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So what are you saying then? We are there on a legitimate mission of occupation, or are we on a peace keeping mission? While our troops are walking into towns and villages do you want our troops to appear as if there on a "combat mission" of some sort.

Remember the Afcans are used to these types of things. Remember that the soviets where invited by the more or less legitimate communist government at the time to impose a peace with the islamic millitants. Doesn't this just sound like the same god damned thing with just a different government and a different super power. I'd rather have our troops in there flying the colour of the UN to legitimize this mission, then the colours of NATO which is not so much loved, well besides the handful of careerist opritunist politcians in power.

We are on neither. We're not occupying Afghanistan (as we've been invited to remain) and we're not peacekeeping. We're in combat against the Taliban and Al-qaeda forces in Kandahar Province. Yes I do want our troops to appear we're on a combat mission, because we are. Prancing around and handing out food parcels isn't going to obliterate the Taliban and it for sure isn't going to correct the overal situation in that nation. We're at War, as i've said for the millionth time, and no amount of sugar-coating, or weighing of political ramifications is going to change that. Get used to it.

Flying the "U.N." flag would serve no purpose. Under U.N. Rules of Engagement, peacekeepers cannot engage the enemy. Therefore we'd be useless in a warzone. How would we operate? What good would be do? Yes a peacekeeper may defend himself, but the militants aren't stupid. They'd learn to simply not shoot at Canadians, and thus we'd be a waste of time. At best we'd be the laughing stock of the World, at worst out soldiers would be systematically attacked and killed by IEDs and suicide bombers until our entire contingent became combat ineffective. They'd be allowed to murder Afghans right in front of our troops and there wouldn't be a damned thing we could do. It happened in Rwanda and it happened in Somalia, that's why I think peacekeeping isn't always the answer. I for one am not for letting innocent Afghans be murdered for the sake of appeasing the bleeding hearts, such as yourself, in Canada. We're at War in Afghanistan and I support it. I don't care if people agree with me, and I don't care what people think of me. I stand up for what I believe in, and I most certainly believe in providing a safe and secure environment for the Afghan people, people who have NOTHING.

P.S. We're flying the Maple Leaf in Kandahar, not the NATO flag. Our flag earns us a lot of respect in that nation, something that isn't conveyed back to the people at home.
 

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The Soviet Union was invited into Afcanistan by the Communist government of Afcanistan. The soviets faught against Islamic extremists, so what are you saying, we have the same right's in being there as the soviets did!!!

A little known post war fact is that many in the soviet government didn't even want to get involved in helping the Afcan communist government which had actually turned from a "moderate" style of communism to a Stalinistic form. Anyhow they did end up invading Afcanistan because of the poltitics of the cold war.

I do not think legitimizing our troops in another nation by an invitation of it's government which barely controls Kabul and has almost no control anywhere else is a big mistake. Everything of this mission crys out to me that our troops need every single legitimization of a UN pressance in Afcanistan, or we will only been seen as puppets to a super power which is no better then the soviet union was. I support our mission in Afcanistan, the evils the Taliban have done there and in North Eastern Pakistan are without a doubt something which must be stoped as an international community.
 

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The Soviet Union was invited into Afcanistan by the Communist government of Afcanistan. The soviets faught against Islamic extremists, so what are you saying, we have the same right's in being there as the soviets did!!!

A little known post war fact is that many in the soviet government didn't even want to get involved in helping the Afcan communist government which had actually turned from a "moderate" style of communism to a Stalinistic form. Anyhow they did end up invading Afcanistan because of the poltitics of the cold war.

I do not think legitimizing our troops in another nation by an invitation of it's government which barely controls Kabul and has almost no control anywhere else is a big mistake. Everything of this mission crys out to me that our troops need every single legitimization of a UN pressance in Afcanistan, or we will only been seen as puppets to a super power which is no better then the soviet union was. I support our mission in Afcanistan, the evils the Taliban have done there and in North Eastern Pakistan are without a doubt something which must be stoped as an international community.

In essence i'd say yes we do have the same rights as we were both invited. However the correlation stops there. The Soviets were in Afghanistan to conquer, we're there to both help ourselves and help Afghanistan. You cannot compare the Soviet invasion to our operations in the present day.

I agree with you that we should not be seen as the puppets of the U.S. Luckily we aren't, except to a small minority. I do feel that we should be there, but not with the kind of restrictions that the U.N. would place on us. As I said in my other post, we aren't seen as oppressors in Afghanistan. We're well respected and the average Afghan is thankful for our help. We're lucky in that due to our actions, even as combat troops, the Afghans hold us in a different light than the Americans. They know we are truly there to help (the U.S. is, but they sometimes have a hard time convincing the locals) and that our actions in their nation will one day ensure they can live in peace. Sadly public opinion polls may not reflect support for the mission, however that is because the vast majority of Canadians are ill-informed as to the mission and its goals. All they hear is War and see bodybags coming home. They don't know of the good we're doing, of the numerous familys we've helped, of the stability we've brought to a warzone. It shouldn't take a U.N. flag to get the people of Canada behind this mission. All it should take is the instant oatmeal, 1 hour photo, military repudiating masses to turn on a TV and stay informed.
 

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Well it could be argued that the simulity doesn't stop where you say it does, because there was already a strong communist government in Afcanistan with no real help from the soviets before the invasion, which actually acted very Liberal and almost democratic for a decade without soviet help. Of course acting Liberal pissed off the Islamic extremists there which caused them to blow up the new schools, hospitals and kill women who were freed from the Burka's they no longer had to wear.

Thus the soviet occupation, or how they would like to see it the invitation of the soviet army by the government of Afcanistan, which is true, was ligitment. The only differance is that the soviets were invited to come and the Americans invaded Afcanistan and held elections to which the government after the invasion invated them to stay... arguably because that government would not last without them there. I'd also argue that the soviet union using the same reasoning had more legitimazy then that of the the USA and Canada.

HOWEVER!!!!

As you know I do support our men and women being there, making sure that these monsters do not take over this nation again... or at least retard there efforts. I do understand that UN restrictions are harsh and sometimes do not bring the best results. But UN legitimacy is what we need to make this mission work unless we wish to be there forever. Even with the UN's help it will be a up hill fight. But one we must do. Unlike the magority on the left I welcomed the war in Afcanistan, I know the harm they did to many, not only my leftists in Afcanistan, but Men, women and children, repressed and murdered. Somehow this has to stop, but an occupation will only legitimize the taliban and others like them as it did with the soviet occupation. The resurgancy of Taliban activity in Northern pakistan and southern Afcanistan is scary and many innocents are dieing each day in these area's.
 

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RE: Do you support Canadi

As you know I do support our men and women being there, making sure that these monsters do not take over this nation again... or at least retard there efforts. I do understand that UN restrictions are harsh and sometimes do not bring the best results. But UN legitimacy is what we need to make this mission work unless we wish to be there forever. Even with the UN's help it will be a up hill fight. But one we must do. Unlike the magority on the left I welcomed the war in Afcanistan, I know the harm they did to many, not only my leftists in Afcanistan, but Men, women and children, repressed and murdered. Somehow this has to stop, but an occupation will only legitimize the taliban and others like them as it did with the soviet occupation. The resurgancy of Taliban activity in Northern pakistan and southern Afcanistan is scary and many innocents are dieing each day in these area's.

While I do respect your opinion, I simply do not agree. While this isn't a bad thing, in fact it is what makes us human, I suppose given our current situation in Afghanistan, you and I will simply have to sit back and watch how things play out. I would like to reiterate that I do feel your views have merit, in many cases more so than anything else i've read on this forum, however I myself do not feel that involving the U.N. would assist us. Once again, my views, and i'm not saying you're wrong :)
 

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Mogz said:
As you know I do support our men and women being there, making sure that these monsters do not take over this nation again... or at least retard there efforts. I do understand that UN restrictions are harsh and sometimes do not bring the best results. But UN legitimacy is what we need to make this mission work unless we wish to be there forever. Even with the UN's help it will be a up hill fight. But one we must do. Unlike the magority on the left I welcomed the war in Afcanistan, I know the harm they did to many, not only my leftists in Afcanistan, but Men, women and children, repressed and murdered. Somehow this has to stop, but an occupation will only legitimize the taliban and others like them as it did with the soviet occupation. The resurgancy of Taliban activity in Northern pakistan and southern Afcanistan is scary and many innocents are dieing each day in these area's.

While I do respect your opinion, I simply do not agree. While this isn't a bad thing, in fact it is what makes us human, I suppose given our current situation in Afghanistan, you and I will simply have to sit back and watch how things play out. I would like to reiterate that I do feel your views have merit, in many cases more so than anything else i've read on this forum, however I myself do not feel that involving the U.N. would assist us. Once again, my views, and i'm not saying you're wrong :)
The UN would mess things up if they got their paws in Afghanistan taking control over from NATO.
 

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The United Nations is involved in the political aspect of Afghanistan. Why, like Canada and America it is strained with its forces because it has to call nations to provide forces for its U.N mission and since they already have three of four huge African missions mostly of Third-World forces they feel that sending another huge force of over 10,000+ would not be sufficent in Afghanistan.

However, the elections that have been held in Afghanistan and Iraq have not been run by U.S or coalition forces in either country but by U.N political forces who supervise and help prepare the past few in Afghanistan and the last two in Iraq with coalition forces providing protection.
 

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Mogz said:


An American Infantryman receives medical aid for exhaustion after re-enacting the love scene from brokeback mountain as canadian troops, apparently disorientated trudge by in different directions.
 

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Lineman said:
cortez said:
Mogz said:


An American Infantryman receives medical aid for exhaustion after re-enacting the love scene from brokeback mountain as canadian troops, apparently disorientated trudge by in different directions.

I'm surprised your mom let you see that movie...

yeah
she did
she said son....
learn something from this movie
its just like the military
which is part of the reason yer parents dont want you to ever consider a career in that satanic institution...

as an aside

heres a new logo for it

the armed forces
well do a whole lot more than KICK butt