Diary of a goof-off: No work, no pay

[karrie]

I meant to indicate you were productive but now I see your doing what I do at work. Post here. But I'm the boss at work so I can do as I please. Ha Ha.

I'm not at work.

I work when I feel like it. So long as I get done my duties, no one complains. I can post a bit throughout the day because I run my own hours. I am 24 hours on call. My work day never officially stops, never officially starts, therefore, when I deem it to be 'break time', no one's going to complain. Most managers, have much the same sort of situation.... So long as you're getting all your duties done, you can send e-mail or post on a forum as you see fit. If it means you have to stay at the office until 9 at night to catch up on the paperwork you didn't get done throughout the day, that's your own fault, it doesn't cost the company anything extra. Much the same with me. If it takes me until 10 at night to wrap up what I was doing, because I got busy chatting, no one is going to be put out by it, but me. *lol*

 

[Zzarchov]

How is goofing off on salary being lazy?

You have to do your job either way. Is the Employer forced to pay you more if your salaried position warrants you being paid overtime (were it hourly)? If you stay late you stay late, if your done early your done early.

You also cannot be considered to be stealing time for using the internet at work unless you are avoiding other work.

Ie, if you finished your job and your boss isn't filling your time with something else, you aren't stealing time, your company is just wasting time they paid you for.

Keep in mind, Im self-employed, but I would expect this behaviour for any employee of mine. If I don't give you a task to do its not your fault anymore than If I hire a maid for six hours but don't let her clean anything, she still gets that pay.

 

[karrie]

You also cannot be considered to be stealing time for using the internet at work unless you are avoiding other work.

Ie, if you finished your job and your boss isn't filling your time with something else, you aren't stealing time, your company is just wasting time they paid you for.

I have seen this happen. But, as you say, that's the companys fault. My mother would be stuck wandering around the office, looking for something to do.... the boss finally said 'please start bringing a book,' because he couldn't come up with stuff to fill her time. yet, sending her home wasn't an option, because then they'd have to explain why she wasn't getting enough hours, and admit that the woman who did the job before her, and logged upwards of 20 hrs a week in overtime, had been screwing them over.

 

[L Gilbert]

Wow, Slacking = Criminal theft? That's quite a bold statement. Employers have remedies available if they find employess to be slacking, such as firing them, which deters most people. To lump these people into the same catergory of a thief is bs. Perhaps you would like to see people who show up late charged with a criminal offence as well.

Theft is theft.That point of view isn't BS: otherwise there wouldn't be a term for it called "time-theft"; they'd call it "using-company-time-for-personal-benefit" or something else. Didn't you know time is valuable?

 

[L Gilbert]

It is collecting payment for something and not providing the product. Not quite the same as theft, but criminal. and no, you can't extrapolate my view off into ordinary human issues like running late. people are bound to have bad days, unproductive days, sick days, etc..... but consistently behaving the way this woman did, constantly collecting an hourly wage for nothing in return, is as bad as theft.

Nuts. It is theft. It's taking something that doesn't belong to you any more.

 

[L Gilbert]

The issue is, the majority of people will not accept having the courts enforce work policies. Like I said, if the person is negligent of their duties, fire them. I personally would not be responsive to having my tax dollars used for prosecuting people for being "lazy" at work.

There's all kinds of ways for employers to get recompense, like salary reduction (garnishee sort of thing), for instance. Some companies even utilize vidcams arounf the workplaces to make sure they get what they pay for.

 

[L Gilbert]

If everyone was that productive ( as you are ) then there would be less jobs, less people to buy stuff. More welfare cases...

I disagree. People whined about machines taking over jobs. When it actually happened to them, they went and got different jobs. People are highly adaptable.

 

[L Gilbert]

Dollars to donuts there's someone posting or reading in here right now while on the job.

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Wat kinda meds are you on? :|

 

[gopher]

```This is Bartleby the Scrivener reincarnated.```

One of my faves!

 

[gc]

Dollars to donuts there's someone posting or reading in here right now while on the job.

I do it all the time...but I more than make up for it by staying late.

 

[L Gilbert]

Whatever the justification is .......... If your employer's ok with it, that's fine.
The point being that slacking on the job is time-theft.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Whatever the justification is .......... If your employer's ok with it, that's fine.
The point being that slacking on the job is time-theft.

Slacking is not theft, you are not taking something that does not belong to you. You are mearly failing to do what your work contract stipulates. Negligent, perhaps. Theft, no.

 

[karrie]

Slacking is not theft, you are not taking something that does not belong to you. You are mearly failing to do what your work contract stipulates. Negligent, perhaps. Theft, no.

If a contractor, a plumber lets say, showed up at your house, took off to go fix the thing you wanted fixed, spent two hours pretending to fix it, and then left with your money for that job, you'd have just had your money stolen, even though he pretended to do work for it.

 

[Kreskin]

I get paid 100% commission. As they say, I wake up everyday unemployed. There are very few expectations or restrictions on hours worked. The company expects results but I don't have to account for my activities for the most part. My boss has told me on many occasions, if I want to take a day or two off I don't even have to mention it. While I do look around a few forums in the workplace I don't post or sign in. The company is quite large and takes company reputation and computer security very seriously. They don't want company IP addresses attached to forum posts. So, though they aren't concerned with time spent on the internet they are concerned with these other big-picture issues. The company carries a large stick so I don't push my luck.

 

[L Gilbert]

Slacking is not theft, you are not taking something that does not belong to you. You are mearly failing to do what your work contract stipulates. Negligent, perhaps. Theft, no.

You sold your time to your employer. It is your employers time, not yours. You slack off, you steal the time back. You sell your product to your employer, you steal some of the product back. It's theft.

Um, "slacking" robs employers of a lotta money.

http://www.acroprint.com/acroprintstore/docs/downloads/timetheft.pdf

http://www.iteminfo.com/Officetips.asp?sec=Productivity Tips&tip=M

http://www.employeetimeclocks.com/time-and-attendance.htm

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=time+theft

http://www.laborlawtalk.com/showthread.php?t=80669

http://www.veritasksoftware.com/downloads/brochures/brochure_biopunchclock_eng.pdf

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5975003/Stealing-time-theft-in-workplace.html

http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-article-a-2045-m-5-sc-48-time_attendance_buyers_guide-i