Mikey, you're gainin' some apologists here! (I hope they're not groupies as well!) The problems within Canada's black community are well documented. I won't speak for the east coasters. They can do that themselves. But I'll speak as an Ontarian, close to Toronto, and we're not happy with the violence tolerated and abetted by the city's mainly Jamaican community. The culture of the gun and gangs is well embedded in the city now and huge policing resources have been mustered to deal with it. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it. With whatever else you've got in there, of course.
“Deemed Unsuitable”: Black Pioneers in Western Canada
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once again, i'll reiterate. please read my words.
The issue you're seeing in your tiny part of the world is not specific to black people. whites have been known to be horribly violent too, remember the nazis? also chinese people, japanese people etc etc etc. the jamaicans are not causing trouble because they're black!
I can't believe that in the 21st century there are some very ignorant folk in this country. Canada is supposed to be colour blind. The circle of poverty is a very difficult one to break out of. The people trapped in this circle by years of prejudice and discrimination are not to blame. It's the short sighted ones who can't see past tyheir own ethnocentric ideas.
Romy, what utter bunk! Ontario's large black community is relatively new to the province and the problems in cities like Toronto are growing greatly. Immigrants here are supposed to come with a high degree of skill and education and be able to contribute. Obviously, something's gone wrong in cases like T.O.'s Jamaican community. If you had read the Toronto dailies for the last ten years, and I have, you'd know all about it instead of sitting in your high chair and whining about endemic prejudice and racism. In the fall of 2005 (if you're aware, of course) a coalition of black groups attempted to silence the growing uproar around gang and gun violence in the city by demanding its own schools and government ministries. Dalton, to his credit, turned it all down.
We will not deal with the obvious problems in any community by blathering along about Canada's PC policies.
Shame on your ignorance!
We will not deal with the obvious problems in any community by blathering along about Canada's PC policies.
Shame on your ignorance!
This is not a black issue. It is a recent immigrant from a poor nation issue. Being black is pure coincidence or whatever correct term might be. As Jamaica is a Commonwealth country, immigration is a bit easier for their citizens.
Canada is not a training or behavioural sciences school for the world's troubled. Jamaica, the globe's homicide capital, is not a country that produces refugees. The vast majority of Jamaicans have arrived here since 1970 and I hope have met our 'stringent' immigrant assessment standards. Other ethnic groups in Toronto arriving during the same time period have been major contributors to that community but it's been clear that there's something wrong elsewhere. Torontonians are sick of it and want black leadership in the city to help set a higher bar for their own. The blight of one parent families, fatherless households, drug dependency and guns has to be addressed. As police spokesman after police spokesman has told the press, Toronto's violent crime epidemic is predominantly of Jamaican origin. That is an issue that should be raised over and over with those responsible for overseeing immigration policy. You come here- you leave your problems at home.
Orrr. perhaps be bold and brave enough to say that experience has shown that allowing people from this region into the country produces violent crimes we do not welcome here. Therefore, let us reduce the levels of immigrants we will accept from this place. Let's face it, as you have suggested, we don't HAVE to take anybody in this country if we choose not to.
Sanctus, you're right. We should be choosy. Canadians have been raised to believe the country stands for peace, security and good government. Obviously, if we're going to allow PC to dictate to us what we have to accept even when we know it's harmful to our families and communities, we deserve what we get. I've followed the T.O. issue for years, have reams of articles in scrapbooks and this ground has been covered many, many times before, probably no better than in the Globe. I have many fine Globe editorials that have insisted free speech must trump tolerance when public safety is endangered.
To take in enough immigrants to pay for all of our old age pensions we may not have any choice. Who wants to emigrate from a peaceful rich country to another. For every bad egg we let in there are a dozen who prove to be valuable contributors to Canada. Don't believe that every thing you read in the papers is indicative of an entire race, country or culture. Ask questions or believe in home hippos.
I've been following it myself, and we can be as PC as we want, but it is a fact that the crime rate in Toronto has increased and it is almost primarily in the Jamaican communites.
Sanctus, a voice of sanity! It's amazing how in this age of PC so many now are afraid to say what needs to be said. Not pretty.
Romy, I'm a newspaper junkie. I used to read five a day for years but have finally cut down to three. If you cover the chief dailies in Ontario, you're getting the real story. And it's often enjoyable to witness a press war emerge where opinions and views are obviously clashing.
Romy, I'm a newspaper junkie. I used to read five a day for years but have finally cut down to three. If you cover the chief dailies in Ontario, you're getting the real story. And it's often enjoyable to witness a press war emerge where opinions and views are obviously clashing.
why do we have to take in all the world downtrodden anyway? why do we need to import more criminals? dont we have enough already??????
ML girl, a sound position! However, demographics dictate we'll need many more immigrants to help supply the labour needed to maintain the economy and our standard of living in the years ahead. Strangely, Japan is in a far worse situation and it's not an immigrant-friendly country. What will the Japanese do? China too will face enormous stresses from its aging population in the years to come and shackled with a one child per family policy it will prove interesting to see how the giant solves the problem.
Canada needs immigrants but it doesn't need to be foolish about who gets to come. We need fixes but in a PC champion country that's a difficult challenge indeed.
Canada needs immigrants but it doesn't need to be foolish about who gets to come. We need fixes but in a PC champion country that's a difficult challenge indeed.
It certainly is. Our common mindset seems to be that we must allow everybody who wants to entrance into the country.
As to China, it will be interesting. i suspect that even with one child per family, they will come out alright. Even if their population decreases by half, they will still have more people than all of N. America