Creation of a new state: a federal Europe

[SwitSof]

From Irish Family Press:

A Federal Europe - One Step Further

The intergovernmental Conference (IGC), a committee of each country's foreign ministers and staff which meets to agree on the wording of treaties and amendments to existing treaties, convened to agree on the fine details of the new reform treaty - or the Constitution Mark II as it is sometimes called, and is schedule to present a finalised document to the EU's member states' national parliaments this Oct.

I remember I read in The Economist, this constitution that was already rejected before by Netherlands and I can't remember what else, maybe Sweden etc. is going to be submitted again with amendments that basically only to cover the points that were objected by these states that vetoed against it.

So what can be expected from this new treaty/constitution?

1. It would give the EU the constitutional form of a state for the first time and make us all real, and not just honourary, citizens of this EU state.
The actual EU state is to be constitutionally created by the new Treaty. This is to be done by giving the EU legal personality and its own corporate existence for the first time, separate from and superior to its Member States, just as the USA is legally separate from and superior to states like California, etc.

2. It would give the EU more law-making powers.
The non-elected Commission would get the monopoly of proposing EU laws in these new areas and these laws would be made primarily by the oligarchy (the committee of legislators) of the 27 politicians who constitute the Council of Ministers.

3. It would give the big states more wieght and small and middle states less weight in making EU laws.
It would do this by making population size a key element in deciding EU laws and thereby reduce the raltive voting weight and influence of small and mid-sized States as compared to the Big States, of which Germany is the biggest.

4. It would remove the right to a permanent EU Commissioner.
The number of Commissioners will be fewer than the number of Member States.
This proposed change has far more serious implications for smaller States.

If this Constitution passes, we will therefore have imposed on us the citizen's obligations of obedience, solidarity and loyalty to the new European Union without most people knowing or realising that this is happening. And those pushing the new Treaty are desperately anxious not to draw attention to this aspect of it.
This entire scheme is a profound assault on democrary by the European political, economic and bureaucratic elites that are pushing it. It can only generate hostility and bitterness among citizens all over Europe as they discover, over time, the implications of the constitutional coup d'etat being planned by these Euro-elites.

Do you reckon the new Treaty will pass? Say it did pass, how would it affect Canada etc., the rest of the world outside EU on having this new state?

 

[Blackleaf]

The EU Constitution was rejected in 2005 by the people of the Netherlands and France. At the time it was supposed to be that if just ONE country votes against it, then it will not come into effect. And two countries voted against it. But EU leaders, not believing in democracy, are trying to foist it on the people again. But they are being devious and disguising it as a "treaty" to try and make the EU's 450 million people think that it is a different thing from the rejected Constitution. In fact, though, it is almost EXACTLY the same as the Constitution, and the fact that Brussels (the capital of the EU), is trying to force this "treaty" on us when it was rejected by the Dutch and French in 2005 just shows its contempt for democracy.

There is also uproar in Britain because Prime Minister Gordon Brown is saying that he may not hold a referendum here on the new "treaty", even though one of labour's main Election pledges in 2005 was that they WILL hold a referendum. So if Brown breaks that promise and doesn't hold a referendum and let the British people decide, democratically, on this treaty then he may find that we'll kick him out at the next election. A good example of the EU's contempt for democracy is that a couple of weeks ago the Prime Minister of Luxembourg, Jean-Claude Juncker, tried to persuade Gordon Brown at an EU summit to NOT hold a referendum in Britain on the "treaty", knowing that the British people will almost certainly reject it. This despite the fact that a referendum was one of the Labour government's pledges at the last General Election in 2005. Who the hell does the Luxembourg Prime Minister, that the British didn't elect, think he is to try and force the British PM to not hold a referendum in Britain?

It would give the EU the constitutional form of a state for the first time and make us all real, and not just honourary, citizens of this EU state

Most people in the EU, especially he more anti-EU countries such as Britain and those in Scandinavia, don't want to be "real" EU citizens. The British fought WWII to prevent our country being ruled by Europe.

 

[Curiosity]

Oh Lord - not another European War front - Europe will not rest until England and Scandinavia bend to to their imposed will and have them on their knees. The last great war never ended and has been simmering quietly away in the hearts of those who cannot forget history.

 

[Zzarchov]

Then why don't they just leave the EU, problem solved.

Its a little unfair to ask to join an organization with an end goal of unifying into one state for financial benefit of yourself, then once in throw a tantrum and say "I don't want to be a superstate!"

If you don't want in, then do what Switzerland does. You didn't HAVE to join, you knew the end goal..why did you jump in and say "me too!" if you don't like where its going.

Its like getting on a plane ride to Japan and saying "Hey! I'd rather go to Hawaii instead, lets land there"