Conservative Axes new Kaschewan Reserve Blame Liberals

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OTTAWA—The Conservative government has sparked outrage among native people by reneging on a federal deal to help relocate the trouble-plagued Kashechewan reserve in Northern Ontario.

Indian Affairs Minister Jim Prentice blamed the previous Liberal government, insisting it had not set aside the millions of dollars needed to relocate the Kashechewan community.

Leo Friday, chief of the community that has been battered by tainted water and floods, warned activists may bring their protests to the House of Commons floor.

"What are they going to do to us when we do that? Are they going to put us in jail?"

Friday was in Ottawa yesterday to raise concerns with Prentice about the dire problems in Kashechewan, where the entire population of 1,800 has been evacuated because of water problems that have devastated schools, houses and other facilities.

He said he was shocked to hear that the Conservatives are walking away from the federal Liberals' promise to move the community to a new location on the James Bay coast with a proper water supply.

"This government is trying to send my people back to that same shit hole that we've been out of for the last months," Friday said. "What are we going to do?"

Prentice walked away when Friday tried to question him in the Commons foyer.

Kashechewan's residents, who are now scattered in northern Ontario cities and towns, were most recently evacuated in April in the face of rising floodwaters.

It was the third time they were forced to leave in less than 12 months — once for an earlier flood emergency and once because of polluted drinking water. Sanitation problems, including the lack of clean water on the reserve, have shocked the public and embarrassed Canada internationally.

Last October, then-Indian affairs minister Andy Scott signed a multi-million-dollar agreement to improve health conditions for Kashechewan's people, repair houses damaged by flooding and work toward building a new community by constructing 50 new houses annually for 10 years.

New Democrat MP Charlie Angus, whose Timmins-James Bay riding includes Kashechewan, said the most recent flooding had slowed repairs and reallocation efforts. But he said $9 million in federal money under the Liberal-signed agreement had already arrived in Kashechewan.

As well, community leaders were in contact with federal officials about how to move ahead under last year's agreement and were not informed until yesterday that the Conservative government has no funding to fulfil it, Angus said.

"I have one question for the minister before a single refugee flies home to that rat hole on the coast: Will he stand up in the House and tell the people of Canada that he respects an agreement that was signed by the government of Canada and the people of Kashechewan First Nation," Angus asked in the Commons.

Prentice said there is no funding to implement the agreement.

"Despite promises made by the previous Liberal administration and the previous Liberal minister, there was no money set aside in the budget for the relocation of Kashechewan," he said to the howls of opposition MPs.

Speaking with reporters, Prentice declined to answer when asked why the Conservative government had not earmarked money for Kashechewan in its own budget delivered on May 2.

But he denied that aboriginal people were a low priority for Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government.

"What I'm saying today is that we're going to sit down, work with the (Kashechewan) community, work with the leadership to determine the way forward," he told the media.

Native affairs are likely to continue to draw national attention.

Former prime minister Paul Martin is planning a national tour to increase public pressure on the Harper government to honour the $5.1-billion Kelowna accord signed by Ottawa, the provinces and aboriginal leaders last fall.

It was a long-term plan to improve native living conditions. But the Conservatives have not committed to fulfilling the accord.

"It was an historic breakthrough and everybody recognized that," Martin said in an interview.

Martin will introduce a private member's bill in the Commons today demanding that the Conservatives live up to the Kelowna deal. The former prime minister admits that, as a private member's bill, it has little chance of obtaining the unanimous agreement needed to pass.

But he is still hopeful. "We had all the governments in the country come together" to reach the accord, he remarked. "It would be a wonderful thing if all of Parliament came together and said, `Let's do it.'"

Over the coming months, Martin plans to take his campaign to fulfil the Kelowna agreement to the Canadian public in a series of speaking engagements.

The plight of 1,800 Kashechewan residents was not the only native issue that flared yesterday. Liberals complained that, during a Commons committee discussion, Conservative MP Brian Fitzpatrick (Prince Albert) referred to Canada's aboriginal policies as that of a "Marxist paradise." Toronto Liberal MP Borys Wrzesnewskyj (Etobicoke Centre) was among those who called on Fitzpatrick to resign as vice-chair of the public accounts committee, which had been examining Auditor General Sheila Fraser's recent report on failings in the federal government's native policies.

In an interview, Fitzpatrick said he couldn't remember exactly what he said in committee but didn't deny making the "Marxist paradise" remark. The comment was intended to be sarcastic, he said. "If I meant to insult anybody, it was the department of Indian affairs officials who had the responsibility" for the failed programs, he added.

Fitzpatrick caused an outcry during the 2000 election campaign by joking about being scalped by natives.
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Sad. Natives, any native issue is never and never will be a priority for the conservatives. And wouldn't the blame the liberals get old after a year or two?
 

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Sad. Natives, any native issue is never and never will be a priority for the conservatives.

That's because we've been handing them everything on a silver platter for decades. You may be fine pissing your money away to the Natives, but i'm not, nor is the Conservative Party. People bitch and moan about things like health care, then want to prop up the time honoured tradition of forking over millions a year to Natives simply because they're Native. I wish just once someone would pay for everything in my life and let me utterly abuse both the legal system and the tax payers of this nation. Perhaps I sound trite, but that's because I did some growing up in Cold Lake Alberta and saw how the Natives of this Nation live and how they spend the money we fork over to them. Nope, no sympathy from me. You are what you want to be, and by and large, Natives want to be nothing. Why should they? Where's the drive? They get it all with minimal effort, why should they actually live like the rest of us? Just my views, take them or leave them.
 

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I really coulden't agree more with Mogz. Why do we need to fork over millions and not have any accountablilty or justification on how that money is spent. If the money is not going to the betterment of the whole and ending up in the pockets of the leaders or spent in liquor stores, we need to know about it. These bleeding heart liberals will say we're racist, but so be it.....I want accountablilty for my tax contribution.
 

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Hank C said:
I really coulden't agree more with Mogz. Why do we need to fork over millions and not have any accountablilty or justification on how that money is spent. If the money is not going to the betterment of the whole and ending up in the pockets of the leaders or spent in liquor stores, we need to know about it. These bleeding heart liberals will say we're racist, but so be it.....I want accountablilty for my tax contribution.


Maybe not racist... more like ignorant.. I know if I was a native, which I'm not, I would be offended by a statment like that.
 

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Finder said:
Maybe not racist... more like ignorant.. I know if I was a native, which I'm not, I would be offended by a statment like that.

truth is never ignorance
 

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Hank C said:
Finder said:
Maybe not racist... more like ignorant.. I know if I was a native, which I'm not, I would be offended by a statment like that.

truth is never ignorance

Well then if you think that is truth, then I would say that is racism, and thats the truth.
 

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My statement is directed at the flagrant amounts of cash thrown at Native members of our society, not the people. If the Government was hemorrhaging money for Italian-Canadians, French-Canadians, Whites, Blacks, whatever, i'd still take the same stance, especially if the money was spent in the way it more often than not is. Ever driven through a reservation? There are some real doozies just outside of Thunder Bay. The place looks like a warzone, and the real kicker is, the houses are given to them for free. FREE, and they're f.ucking dumps. If someone gave me a free house i'd take care of it, not abuse it and let it fall apart. Then again, I actually work for a living and appreciate my money, they, don't. The same thing would happen to any group of people you place in that situation. Take a bunch of white folk, hand them everything from cigarettes to houses, and in 100 years their offspring will be exactly like the Native stigma we have in Canada today. They don't live in the real World, as the real World hands them everything without question. The point is i'm stick of my tax money being handed out to people who abuse the system. Take it or leave it for what it's worth Finder.
 

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Mogz, I was not directing my comment to your statment in which I do not fully agree with but that of ignorant statment of the generalization and the misconception of our community that the natives are lazy, drunk and corrupt. In fact I think that statment covers our own actions as much as theirs in the last 500 years of our nations history.
 

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I live here in Northern Ontario and Kaschewan is in the middle of a flood plane. They did not ask for the reserve to be placed there. All the money that has been spent there was spent to try and fix things. They have mold and mildew everywhere from past floods. The flood water seeps into everything making the water treatment facility knee deep in water for 3 months of every year. Tell me how that is the natives fault. Living in Alberta you guys have no idea how bad it is in Kaschewan and by the way I am not a native but I live in Timmins one of the places that the natives get sent when they there land gets flooded. They needed this money to move the reservation finally not too just to put a Band-Aid on the latest flood damage because it will happen again and again. Thank you, Stephen Harper for once again putting blame on the Liberals and not fixing the problems. We as Canadians should all be ashamed
 

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Thank you Briteyes. It wasn't the natives fault for having their reserve placed their like other reserves across Canada. Most were placed there years and years ago by Indian Affairs and the natives had to put up with it.

So they in a country as Canada don't have to suffer like third world people because fellow Canadians don't feel they can give a few dollars each to help them. Stupid Harper.
 

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I can also understand where Mogs is coming from. The over seven billion dollars spent by the Dept. of Indian and Northern Affairs every year could very nicely support all of our 700,000 natives. It doesn't though because that stupid organization has been out of control for years.
 

Jersay

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Indian Affairs I agree had been out of control. For not just years, since its creation.

However some of it does with natives themselves.

However, 10% goes to Indian Affairs itself. So that is 700,000,000 dollars right there.

Then in the 30s I know there was a fund if you sold native land for cheap prices to go to help natives, but you had to fill out so many forms and you were denied 50% of the time.

Not alot of native reserves themself have no resource rights.

Most native reserves were placed where they were by contracted explorers who reported to the Indian Affairs and stated this is where a reserve is and such.
 

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Re: RE: Conservative Axes new Kaschewan Reserve Blame Libera

Finder said:
Hank C said:
I really coulden't agree more with Mogz. Why do we need to fork over millions and not have any accountablilty or justification on how that money is spent. If the money is not going to the betterment of the whole and ending up in the pockets of the leaders or spent in liquor stores, we need to know about it. These bleeding heart liberals will say we're racist, but so be it.....I want accountablilty for my tax contribution.


Maybe not racist... more like ignorant.. I know if I was a native, which I'm not, I would be offended by a statment like that.

More like a ignorant generalization.
 

Said1

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Jersay said:
Not alot of native reserves themself have no resource rights.

Most native reserves were placed where they were by contracted explorers who reported to the Indian Affairs and stated this is where a reserve is and such.

There was a study done in British Columbia that found strong corelations between high suicided rates in communities that had very low levels of self-rule, or cultural continuity. This is another important factor in successfull assimilation too.

A more recent study in Nunavut came to similar conclusions also.

Interesting stuff.

Study: Cultural Continuity]
 

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Said1 said:
Finder said:
Hank C said:
I really coulden't agree more with Mogz. Why do we need to fork over millions and not have any accountablilty or justification on how that money is spent. If the money is not going to the betterment of the whole and ending up in the pockets of the leaders or spent in liquor stores, we need to know about it. These bleeding heart liberals will say we're racist, but so be it.....I want accountablilty for my tax contribution.


Maybe not racist... more like ignorant.. I know if I was a native, which I'm not, I would be offended by a statment like that.

More like a ignorant generalization.


Generalization of a widely believed stereotype.
 

Said1

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Finder said:
Said1 said:
Finder said:
Hank C said:
I really coulden't agree more with Mogz. Why do we need to fork over millions and not have any accountablilty or justification on how that money is spent. If the money is not going to the betterment of the whole and ending up in the pockets of the leaders or spent in liquor stores, we need to know about it. These bleeding heart liberals will say we're racist, but so be it.....I want accountablilty for my tax contribution.


Maybe not racist... more like ignorant.. I know if I was a native, which I'm not, I would be offended by a statment like that.

More like a ignorant generalization.


Generalization of a widely believed stereotype.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think throwing money at the problems will always fix them, but in some cases, such as this one I happen to think it's reasonable to expect the government to follow through on it's promises, regardless of who made them.
 

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Said1, and there is always better ways to spend the money, but by in large I see the native communities as victoms of the system and not the other way around. If there's a blight on Canada's history it is how we treated the native peoples.
 

Mogz

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Thank you Briteyes. It wasn't the natives fault for having their reserve placed their like other reserves across Canada. Most were placed there years and years ago by Indian Affairs and the natives had to put up with it.

So they in a country as Canada don't have to suffer like third world people because fellow Canadians don't feel they can give a few dollars each to help them. Stupid Harper.

Why the hell do they have to live on a fricken reserve? Why not move to a city, get a JOB and encorporate themselves in to Canadian society? There's no law that says they have to live there. If it's so bad, why not build a better life for themselves? Is that thinking too "outside the box".
 

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So Canada should forget about being soverign and Canadian and assimilate fully with Americans. Your thinking is so inside the box that you believe it's outside the box.
 

Jersay

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Why the hell do they have to live on a fricken reserve? Why not move to a city, get a JOB and encorporate themselves in to Canadian society? There's no law that says they have to live there. If it's so bad, why not build a better life for themselves? Is that thinking too "outside the box".

75% of Natives are in urban spaces. Has it bettered their lives, no because of racism that is met by them in the cities.