Cons give Libs a month
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RE: Cons give Libs a mont
We'll be voting by the end of June. Harper wants to wait for enquiry to stop taking evidence. He can spin evidence and count on his corporate cronies in the press to publish the worst of it on the front page and the dissenting evidence on the back page.
Harper does not want to wait for Justice Gomery to release his findings in November though. Those will be harder to spin. You can bet Stevie has his best legal minds watching Gomery and guessing that his findings won't be that damning and that the criminal charges won't reach the Liberal politicians.
Gomery will stop taking evidence in May...it was supposed to be early May, but it will likely run to mid or late May. The campaign needs to run for 39 (? think that's right) days minimum according to law. The election must be held on a Monday (or a Tuesday if there's a long weekend). Nobody wants an election in July because people don't vote in the summer.
We'll go the polls on June 27, 2005.
We'll be voting by the end of June. Harper wants to wait for enquiry to stop taking evidence. He can spin evidence and count on his corporate cronies in the press to publish the worst of it on the front page and the dissenting evidence on the back page.
Harper does not want to wait for Justice Gomery to release his findings in November though. Those will be harder to spin. You can bet Stevie has his best legal minds watching Gomery and guessing that his findings won't be that damning and that the criminal charges won't reach the Liberal politicians.
Gomery will stop taking evidence in May...it was supposed to be early May, but it will likely run to mid or late May. The campaign needs to run for 39 (? think that's right) days minimum according to law. The election must be held on a Monday (or a Tuesday if there's a long weekend). Nobody wants an election in July because people don't vote in the summer.
We'll go the polls on June 27, 2005.
RE: Cons give Libs a mont
You really think that soon Rev? Will NDP and Bloc help defeat government? I can't see what the bloc has to gain as they have most seats in PQ already.
The NDP I could see being the real losers here as if we were to vote and people really wanted Martin out, wouldn't they vote for Conservatives instead of NDP?
The NDP in Ontario and BC is still a bad word, for a lot of people.
You really think that soon Rev? Will NDP and Bloc help defeat government? I can't see what the bloc has to gain as they have most seats in PQ already.
The NDP I could see being the real losers here as if we were to vote and people really wanted Martin out, wouldn't they vote for Conservatives instead of NDP?
The NDP in Ontario and BC is still a bad word, for a lot of people.
I really do think it will be that soon. Duceppe would have introduced a non-confidence motion this week if he would have had the support of the Conservatives. He's said as much. The common analysis is that he wants this over so he can take over leading the PQ in Quebec.
Harper is just waiting for the polls, which aren't giving the numbers to the Conservatives. The bombshell dropped by Harris and Manning today isn't going to help him with that either. He was already trying to back away from his hard anti-Kyoto stance, saying that he would respect it, whatever that means. He has a movement within the party to make abortion an issue again. He has the gay-bashers who support him getting a little more outrageous every day. Most of all, he seems to be losing the momentum Jean Brault's testimony provided. People are tuning out again.
Time is not on Harper's side here. If the election isn't at the end of June, then it will be in the fall. Anger over the testimony at Gomery will have subsided and there will be no reason not to wait for Gomery's findings. Harper won't be able to spin those too much and the noise they are making now points to them not being happy with what those findings are likely to be.
The NDP is up in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and in some of the close ridings in Ontario and BC. That's going to be very important this time around because it is very much going to be a riding by riding fight, not a province by province one. Layton's personal numbers are way up...something neither Martin or Harper is seeing in their numbers.
It's looking a lot like the NDP will be in the cat-bird seat in any minority government. Since their policies on key issues tend to be closer to the BQ, who are likely to have a new leader; and the Liberals are likely to be looking for left-leaning policies to differentiate them from the Conservatives. Those policies are the ones Canadians have been supporting lately.
Harper is just waiting for the polls, which aren't giving the numbers to the Conservatives. The bombshell dropped by Harris and Manning today isn't going to help him with that either. He was already trying to back away from his hard anti-Kyoto stance, saying that he would respect it, whatever that means. He has a movement within the party to make abortion an issue again. He has the gay-bashers who support him getting a little more outrageous every day. Most of all, he seems to be losing the momentum Jean Brault's testimony provided. People are tuning out again.
Time is not on Harper's side here. If the election isn't at the end of June, then it will be in the fall. Anger over the testimony at Gomery will have subsided and there will be no reason not to wait for Gomery's findings. Harper won't be able to spin those too much and the noise they are making now points to them not being happy with what those findings are likely to be.
The NDP is up in Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and in some of the close ridings in Ontario and BC. That's going to be very important this time around because it is very much going to be a riding by riding fight, not a province by province one. Layton's personal numbers are way up...something neither Martin or Harper is seeing in their numbers.
It's looking a lot like the NDP will be in the cat-bird seat in any minority government. Since their policies on key issues tend to be closer to the BQ, who are likely to have a new leader; and the Liberals are likely to be looking for left-leaning policies to differentiate them from the Conservatives. Those policies are the ones Canadians have been supporting lately.
Jack Layton, HA, you want a professional student running the country?
He went to school, then went to school and then taught school then went into leaching off the public. He has never had a real job in his life. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
This guy can talk his ass off but trust me he doesn’t know what it takes to make ends meet.
He did a bang up job for Toronto’s Olympic bid.
He would give away everything if he could,. That’s the way he is.
NDP would be the worst thing Canada could do.
And is this site hosted by the NDP it looks like they OWN you guys.
oh and if Reverend Blair is Jack , your were a dick in Toronto and you still are.
He went to school, then went to school and then taught school then went into leaching off the public. He has never had a real job in his life. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
This guy can talk his ass off but trust me he doesn’t know what it takes to make ends meet.
He did a bang up job for Toronto’s Olympic bid.
He would give away everything if he could,. That’s the way he is.
NDP would be the worst thing Canada could do.
And is this site hosted by the NDP it looks like they OWN you guys.
oh and if Reverend Blair is Jack , your were a dick in Toronto and you still are.
RE: Cons give Libs a mont
I'm not Jack, Bad Boy. I doubt you know too much about Harper's background by your little rant. Locked in university basement in Calgary all those years...
I have to wonder by your response though...Did you even read my post? I never said a damned thing about the NDP winning the election. Are you illiterate? The product of Conservative cuts to education, no doubt.
I'm not Jack, Bad Boy. I doubt you know too much about Harper's background by your little rant. Locked in university basement in Calgary all those years...
I have to wonder by your response though...Did you even read my post? I never said a damned thing about the NDP winning the election. Are you illiterate? The product of Conservative cuts to education, no doubt.
RE: Cons give Libs a mont
I would rather see a miniority with the NDP holding the balance of power. Not like it is now. It would force the Lib's to incorperate more of the NDP policies. Which would be a good thing.
If all these people think the NDP are a fringe party and actually voted for them instead of the status quo, they would win a lot more seats and the country would be better off. The NDP would be a lot better in opposition than the Reform/PC's/Alliance/Conservatives or whatever they call themselves this year.
I would rather see a miniority with the NDP holding the balance of power. Not like it is now. It would force the Lib's to incorperate more of the NDP policies. Which would be a good thing.
If all these people think the NDP are a fringe party and actually voted for them instead of the status quo, they would win a lot more seats and the country would be better off. The NDP would be a lot better in opposition than the Reform/PC's/Alliance/Conservatives or whatever they call themselves this year.
RE: Cons give Libs a mont
I agree No 1, I just don't think it's going to happen yet. We could walk out of this with 25 to 30 seats though. It's unlikely that the minority government will be even as stable as this one.
That will allow the NDP and the BQ to have even more influence than they presently enjoy. If they cooperate on common issues, and they have a lot of common issues, they can force some real change.
It's also very likely that both the Cons and the Liberals will be unhappy with their leaders after this and with Duceppe likely to head to lead the PQ, that will make Jack Layton the most experienced (and recognizable) leader.
I agree No 1, I just don't think it's going to happen yet. We could walk out of this with 25 to 30 seats though. It's unlikely that the minority government will be even as stable as this one.
That will allow the NDP and the BQ to have even more influence than they presently enjoy. If they cooperate on common issues, and they have a lot of common issues, they can force some real change.
It's also very likely that both the Cons and the Liberals will be unhappy with their leaders after this and with Duceppe likely to head to lead the PQ, that will make Jack Layton the most experienced (and recognizable) leader.
RE: Cons give Libs a mont
I agree if Martin or Harper lose next election they will be gone as leader. Even if Martin gets a miniority and not a majority his days will be numbered.
I can see Belinda taking over the Conservatives but not sure who would take over the Libs...but thats for another forum, I believe. yes? no?
I agree if Martin or Harper lose next election they will be gone as leader. Even if Martin gets a miniority and not a majority his days will be numbered.
I can see Belinda taking over the Conservatives but not sure who would take over the Libs...but thats for another forum, I believe. yes? no?
RE: Cons give Libs a mont
Yeah, that's for another thread. It's too early to guess at likely replacements.
I think Harper will be gone if he doesn't get at least as many seats as the Liberals have right now. It's been a long time since he showed a real improvement in the party's fortunes.
I think the only reason that Martin is still around at this point is nobody wants the job until this Gomery thing blows over.
Yeah, that's for another thread. It's too early to guess at likely replacements.
I think Harper will be gone if he doesn't get at least as many seats as the Liberals have right now. It's been a long time since he showed a real improvement in the party's fortunes.
I think the only reason that Martin is still around at this point is nobody wants the job until this Gomery thing blows over.
RE: Cons give Libs a mont
There is nobody else, really. Somebody will come forward though. They won't be even as capable as Stronach, but they will be handed the leadership because they will be socially conservative.
Harper won't survive if doesn't get a majority government though. He's had his run and hasn't gotten the job done. Let's face it, without this scandal the Liberals would have at least a larger minority right now and would be looking forward to a majority the next time around.
There is nobody else, really. Somebody will come forward though. They won't be even as capable as Stronach, but they will be handed the leadership because they will be socially conservative.
Harper won't survive if doesn't get a majority government though. He's had his run and hasn't gotten the job done. Let's face it, without this scandal the Liberals would have at least a larger minority right now and would be looking forward to a majority the next time around.
Jo Canadian said:
Wow.. they do that in the House every day... not just around Adscam. Honestly, watch CPAC sometimes.... they sound like little frickin kids who can't get their way... and they are suppose to represent you and I. All I can say is uggh.
Re: RE: Cons give Libs a mont
Well all I can say then is that I am glad someone caught them with their hand in the cookie jar. Harper is a nice guy... not fit for politics which is unfortunate because we need more nice guys in government.
What is really scary is that there really are NO alternatives because no one is talking political reform... which is really what we should be talking about... not whose persona is better than the others. I don't really believe any of us want a government that is dishonest and pillages hard working Cdns. We all want fair, equal representation that isn't decided once they leave Quebec or Ontario. Coalition gov'ts work very well in many European countries. Perhaps that is a model we should work towards so that this type of corruption does not happen again.
Reverend Blair said:
Well all I can say then is that I am glad someone caught them with their hand in the cookie jar. Harper is a nice guy... not fit for politics which is unfortunate because we need more nice guys in government.
What is really scary is that there really are NO alternatives because no one is talking political reform... which is really what we should be talking about... not whose persona is better than the others. I don't really believe any of us want a government that is dishonest and pillages hard working Cdns. We all want fair, equal representation that isn't decided once they leave Quebec or Ontario. Coalition gov'ts work very well in many European countries. Perhaps that is a model we should work towards so that this type of corruption does not happen again.
This coming from the spin doctor himself. I'll take it at face value.
Your deviating from your previous remark. You stated that Harper would have sent Canadian soldiers to Iraq. The fact is we were already there. You're just arguing for the sake of argument.
You changed the subject again. If you don't have a reasonable response to my posts, then simply don't post. We were talking about Iraq, not the weaponization of space.
Then I guess you must be five. Canada has a large say in Norad, why wouldn't we in this? It's just an extension of Norad.
Good relations with your neighbours only makes common sense. I'm sure you prefer that we call them bastards and Nazis. That would solve our border problems.
Mere speculation. You're so convinced that Conservatives would whore out their mothers to make a buck that you no longer make any sense.
More like so they can help our pathetic army out. Think about it for a second. Other than morale support, what could we possibly offer them. Our army is one step above a boy scout troop. Don't get me started on the UN either.
20%? That answer is not even worth answering. Once again you're arguing for the sake of arguement. You would rather see our farmers suffer than have a good relationship with the US. That's typical though. On one hand you bash the US for everything they do and stand for and on the other hand you complain that they're not buying our products. That would be like a store owner firing off insults to his customers and then complain why they aren't coming back to buy his merchandise.
Why not shift the power to Alberta? The power has been in Quebec for almost 20 years. Are you anti-West now too?
Much like Jackie gets on all fours for his union masters?
No, it was defeated by the Liberals because they are soft on crime and they wanted their voter base criminals to vote Liberal in the upcoming election. Or did you forget that the Liberals passed a law allowing convicted pedophiles and murderers to vote in the last election?
At least we know that we are all adults on this forum. :roll:
Canadian troops are not officially there. Officially we've sent: zero, nothing; null, nul, naught, nought, void; cipher, goose egg; none, nobody, no one; nichts[Ger.], nixie*, nix*; zilch, zip, zippo [all slang]; not a soul; ame qui vive[Fr]; absence &c. 187; unsubstantiality &c. 4[obs3]. Adj. not one, not a one, not any, nary a one [dial.];not a, never a; not a whit of, not an iota of, not a drop of, not a speck of, not a jot; not a trace of, not a hint of, not a smidgen of, not a suspicion of, not a shadow of, neither hide nor hair of.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/14/martiniraq041014.html
The only way that canadian troops are involved is if the poor chumps are with a military exchange with Britian, which as you know... are invloved.
http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20030327181430827