Colin Powell Lied: 100 000 Died

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: Colin Powell Lied: 10

JohnnyUtah said

"I'll look into the 3 you posted , any links for them? There is a new Book" Cobra II" about the Iraq War, I might look into it."

Sounds like a junk novel with big pictures of macho US soldiers with guns.

Well it's not a junk novel, it's about the mistakes that were made into the run up to Baghdad and the after math. Maybe you should read up on it. :wink:

 

[DerekJay]

The War in Iraq is not about Oil, it's about Terrorism in which Saddam supported Terrorism. He supported the families of suicide bombers in Israel. Blaming the Military now, sorry they follow the orders they are given, but keep it up with your Anti-Americanism it shows you really know nothing.

Nope, wrong on at least three counts.

1. It's not about terrorism and it never was.
2. That's not anti-Americanism--I have nothing against Americans, though I'm not fond of their current government-- it's simply a realistic assessment of events in their historical context.
3. In no sense did I blame the military for anything, I was blaming the American leaders who gave the orders.

I also didn't say it's about oil, I said oil was only a peripheral issue. And don't be telling me I know nothing and winking at me, that's just a pointless ad hominem attack that adds nothing to your argument.

You need to think bigger, about the larger context of the attack on Iraq, and understand that it's not actually about Iraq at all, Iraq was just a relatively easy target to make the point with: It's about the way the world will be run. Some things you might usefully read before you try arguing about this:

Future: Tense by Gwynne Dyer, McClelland and Stewart Ltd. ISBN 0-7710-2978-0

Rogue State by William Blum, Common Courage Press, ISBN 1-56751-374-3

Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky, Henry Holt and Co., ISBN 0-8050-7688-3

Unless you can counter in detail, with supported facts and citations from commonly available sources, at least half of everything those three guys have written that supports the position I've taken, you can't make a case I can take seriously. If it were only one of them on my side I'd be a little skeptical, but when I get three entirely consistent analyses from three very different sources, all of them well documented and intelligently argued, and one of them's from a man who's proven himself to be remarkably prescient about other matters--Gwynne Dyer correctly predicted the war in Iraq in a book called Ignorant Armies written two years earlier, and correctly predicted the consequences of the fall of the Soviet empire and the reunification of Germany in a book called simply War, published in 1985--well, I'm inclined to think maybe those guys are on to something.

Dexter Sinister,

You hit the nail on the head... Thanks for responding, I couldn't have put it any better, except for the fact that (in my opinion, and of many others) Oil does have a lot to do with it. If this region didn't have these resources which, if controlled, can contribute in an infinite way... Money and Power. A lot of people like Johnny Utah can't (or refuse) see the big picture. It's more than just shooting terrorists and democracy. These are the peripheral reasons for being in the middle east.

 

[cortez]

Re: RE: Colin Powell Lied: 100 000 Died

Because people always die in wars, that is not a crime. it a crime when they kill people on purpose . which we are not doing. the usa is not commiting genocide or anything like it. thats why no american offical would be arrested.

911 dead- what 4000
iraq--------what 100,000

your hypocrisy and double standard are incredible!!!!!!!

powell bush cheny etc IF they were to be put on trail WOULD -- if the hague used the same criteria as it used for say milosvich-- BE CONVICTED
THATS why they cant be arrested
by their collection of co-conspirators
because the chance they would be ACQUITED would be ZERO

ill be fair though and PRESUME innocence....
remember we are talking about a COURT
let bush and cheny etc DEFEND themselves in a court of law....

i personally believe
they wouldnt stand a chance......

your not fooling anybody but yourselves

 

[aeon]

Well of course he lied. They all did: Bush, Powell, Cheney, Rice... And they continue to do so, but they're probably convinced they're not, pretending it's all about peace and democracy and freedom. It's not and never was. It's not about terrorism either, and it's only peripherally about oil. It's about who's running the planet, it's about a military-industrial establishment creating new enemies to justify its continued existence, and it's about preventing the appearance of a rival model to the American one of how to build a successful nation state. In other words, it's plain old 19th century imperialism--the British used to justify themselves in exactly the same terms when they were the global power--and it's laying the groundwork for a Third World War.

And anybody who thinks there's a finite non-zero probability that Powell will be arrested in Toronto is looney. No chance.

Well said.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Colin Powell Lied: 10

JohnnyUtah said

"I'll look into the 3 you posted , any links for them? There is a new Book" Cobra II" about the Iraq War, I might look into it."

Sounds like a junk novel with big pictures of macho US soldiers with guns.

Well it's not a junk novel, it's about the mistakes that were made into the run up to Baghdad and the after math. Maybe you should read up on it. :wink:

lol, mistake whoahhhhhhhh, only sheep and guillable peoples will beleive this crap.

 

[cortez]

Well of course he lied. They all did: Bush, Powell, Cheney, Rice... And they continue to do so, but they're probably convinced they're not, pretending it's all about peace and democracy and freedom. It's not and never was. It's not about terrorism either, and it's only peripherally about oil. It's about who's running the planet, it's about a military-industrial establishment creating new enemies to justify its continued existence, and it's about preventing the appearance of a rival model to the American one of how to build a successful nation state. In other words, it's plain old 19th century imperialism--the British used to justify themselves in exactly the same terms when they were the global power--and it's laying the groundwork for a Third World War.

And anybody who thinks there's a finite non-zero probability that Powell will be arrested in Toronto is looney. No chance.

Well said.

yes well said

 

[cortez]

Any civilized country that did not participate in the coalition to liberate 25 million Iraqis should be charged with cowardice in the face of the enemy and their leaders shot between the eyes.

Then they should be in the dock with Saddam for aiding and abetting his murder of a million Iraqis and Iranians.

Then they should be appointed to the upper echelons on that useless snakepit the UN.

agreed the UK and US should be in the dock with him
particularly wth respect to their assitance in killing those iranians

are you trying to be surrealistic...

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: Colin Powell Lied: 10

JohnnyUtah said

"I'll look into the 3 you posted , any links for them? There is a new Book" Cobra II" about the Iraq War, I might look into it."

Sounds like a junk novel with big pictures of macho US soldiers with guns.

Well it's not a junk novel, it's about the mistakes that were made into the run up to Baghdad and the after math. Maybe you should read up on it. :wink:

lol, mistake whoahhhhhhhh, only sheep and guillable peoples will beleive this crap.

Cobra II is very hard on the Iraq War and the mistakes that were made during and after, the mismanagement of it. If anyone is a sheep it's you. :wink:

 

[cortez]

Re: RE: Colin Powell Lied: 10

JohnnyUtah said

"I'll look into the 3 you posted , any links for them? There is a new Book" Cobra II" about the Iraq War, I might look into it."

Sounds like a junk novel with big pictures of macho US soldiers with guns.

Well it's not a junk novel, it's about the mistakes that were made into the run up to Baghdad and the after math. Maybe you should read up on it. :wink:

lol, mistake whoahhhhhhhh, only sheep and guillable peoples will beleive this crap.

Cobra II is very hard on the Iraq War and the mistakes that were made during and after, the mismanagement of it. If anyone is a sheep it's you. :wink:

poorly said

 

[I think not]

I've been hearing this 100,000 dead for 3 years, doesn't this number ever change?