"cogito, ergo sum"

Pangloss

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:roll: I really don't want to call you brainless, Sanc, but thinking is a function of the brain. The mind is the vessel for emotions and ideas and whatnot and is in turn encompassed by the brain. If your thoughts come from somewhere other than a brain .............
My heart is nothing more than a muscle that pumps blood.
Ask him. I doubt it. Nothing can come from nothing. We think, therefore we am. :D We aren't nothing. I think the universe and contents would continue to do what it does (exist) without us in it wondering whether it and we exist or not.

You go, LG!

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Dexter Sinister

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1. How do you interpret Descartes' statement: "I think, therefore I am"? I've always thought he meant that his awareness of his own consciousness is proof to himself that he exists.

2. What is your opinion of the statement? True but, like a lot of philosophical meanderings, essentially trivial, and with a hint of solipsism. In the context of his other writings, I have the impression that he considered it the *only* proof that he exists. It says nothing about anything but his own existence, doesn't demonstrate to anyone else that he exists, or indeed that anything but himself exists. Nor does it say anything useful about the existence of things that don't think, like trees and rocks. He spent a lot of time wondering what he could know and how he could know it, which I think is the subject now called ontology, and I don't know that he ever solved those to his own satisfaction. He should have just gone out into his garden, punched a tree or kicked a big rock a few times, and pondered on how the resulting sensations demonstrated the existence of both himself and solid objects external to himself.

I am reminded of Bill Cosby's story about dating a philosophy major in university, where he was majoring in physical education. "She used to walk around saying things like 'Why is there air?' Well, any phys.ed. major knows why there's air. There's air to blow up volleyballs, blow up basketballs..."
 

L Gilbert

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After a bit of thought I came to the conclusion that Descartes was trying to be scientific when he rearranged "I think, therefore I am". Science clarifies, defines, describes things. That's what Descrates did, he clarified what he meant: "I think I exist." It's logical.
 

sanctus

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Oh, good. Not being able to see eyes when conversing is a definite disability. And it wasn't meant to offend, just a elbow in the ribs thing.
I know that.. Despite the internet, and the fact one has not physically met, i think that constant exposure to people allows us to somewhat "know" them. I knew right away it was an "elbow in the rib", since it was you who wrote it. That is why I laughed when I read it. I actually thought, "damned Gilbert":)
 

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1. How do you interpret Descartes' statement: "I think, therefore I am"?
2. What is your opinion of the statement? Do you agree or disagree with the point that Descartes has made?

I think Descarte's managed to prove once and for all that mankind is incapable of thinking its way out of a brown paper bag. Good work if you can get it.
 

sanctus

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I think Descarte's managed to prove once and for all that mankind is incapable of thinking its way out of a brown paper bag. Good work if you can get it.

I asked the original question because I had been talking with some university students prior to that posting and, naturally, they deeply involved in this type of conversation. Rather reminded of those bygone days happily discussing such things with old friends around campus---a long time ago:)

To the Descartes quote, it has actually both amazed and annoyed me throughout the years. Amazed, because in its simplicity it is very profound, on many, many levels.

Annoyed because, in my most irritable moments, it seems obvious.