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#juan

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That's not my hat, or me talking. If you don't think comparing the F 15 to the Arrow, was wise, than why did you do just that?



That's because he never tried to dog fight at low alt and subsonic.

All the tests were aimed at pushing alt envelopes and speed. Because that was going to be the MOS for its sole purpose role. The whole industry at the time, were trying to go up and fast.

Nobody ever tried to dog fight an Arrow. Did you know that the Orenda engines were 5000 lbs lighter than the Pratt and Whitneys the prototypes used.
 

CDNBear

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Nobody ever tried to dog fight an Arrow.
Well ya, that's sort of the point. All low level subsonic flight, it's air frame was not capable of anything beyond presenting a real pretty target.

That comes from an engineer, Andre Beltrome, or something to that effect.

Did you know that the Orenda engines were 5000 lbs lighter than the Pratt and Whitneys the prototypes used.
And that makes its non existent sole purpose role more relevant how?
 

#juan

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Well ya, that's sort of the point. All low level subsonic flight, it's air frame was not capable of anything beyond presenting a real pretty target.

That comes from an engineer, Andre Beltrome, or something to that effect.

And that makes its non existent sole purpose role more relevant how?

Bear, the Arrow was built for seven Gs positive and five Gs negative which was as good as anything at the time. The limitation was the pilot. In newer aircraft the pilot is in an almost prone position
I don't know how you come to the conclusion that it wouldn't perform at low altitudes at sub-sonic speeds. Even today fighter aircraft
spend little time at supersonic speeds......It burns too much gas. You want us to believe that the Arrow was somehow built of
shinier aluminum or something that made it a better radar target and that is horsefeathers.
Bear, I spent my working life as a mechanical engineer and I was a fighter pilot back in the early sixties. You can't tell me anything about the Arrow that I don't already know.
 
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