Chomsky & dangerous wounded predators

[Sparrow]

Iran got rid of a murdering SOB, the Shah who was supported by the US. The President of Iran today is the young man that lead the crowds when they attached the embassy, BAD BOY....

Has anybody hear that Iran have stopped selling their oil in US dollars and are now using Euros and have also converted all the US monies into Euros. What a snub to the Empire! I didn't think that they had any US dollars but apparently they had quite a bit.

They are stiring the **** pot and it is really starting to smell!

 

[MikeyDB]

Jim

Do you think its fair to suggest that our attention if not indeed our total focus is directed onto specifics through modern media? We spend hours reading about isolated minutae from all over the world and asked to leap to conclusions based on these isolated specific incidents...

A conclusion from the specific to the general...hardly deductive reasoning that would lend substance to the wider human condition...

Ok here's the mic back...

 

[L Gilbert]

We can attempt to demonize the US all the way to Hell and back but this would be a far more dangerous world without the US in it. What would Russia and China be doing today if the US had no more influence and backbone than France? I know. And so do you. And so does Chomsky.

That's not a given. Usually a hole is fill by something.If the US hadn't filled the gap, someone else probably would have. Maybe Britain would have had another go at empire building. Maybe evn Canuckville: we had the 4th biggest navy on the planet in WW2.

 

[darkbeaver]

Sign of insecurity there - those little emoticons you use as a signature Beav....

You haven't a wave in you - no friendliness or compassion whatsoever - the emoticons are a mask.

We all have insecurities don't we? Insecurity cannot be cured in America, it's the bussiness of the land, the only glue that holds you together. Who do you think you are to instruct me in compassion or friendliness? You would snuff me with napalm on sight.You told me awhile ago that you would rather eat glass than think like me, don't worry about it.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:

 

[L Gilbert]

Hey Beve

What kind of reception do you think Americans would have to seeing Bush and Cheney and Wolfowitz and Perle and a few other lying theiveing members of the American administration beheaded on CNN?

Waste of a good guillotine.

 

[L Gilbert]

And you havent learned nothing from iraq war, you still think it is appropriate to attack iran, a nation that hasnt attacked anyone in the last 20 year, the only thing they do( which is good) is to finance Hezbollah.

Better thing to do with the Hizbollah would be if Iran scooted the cowards outta Lebanese cities and out into the open.

 

[L Gilbert]

Sign of insecurity there - those little emoticons you use as a signature Beav....

You haven't a wave in you - no friendliness or compassion whatsoever - the emoticons are a mask.

.......... it says from behind a pseudonym. lmao

 

[darkbeaver]

.......... it says from behind a pseudonym. lmao

giglegigleheheheh:wave:

 

[L Gilbert]

If Curiosity will permit me ?

Actually Curiosity's very grounded on wanting the same lofty goals of peace
as do all those people you mentioned ---- I can safely assume over time reading her posts.

Let's just all pretend we are beauty Queens and the microphone is in front of us
asking what we wish for the world.

Now watch me strut off the stage.

Walk like a rooster all you want. The difference between folks is their views on how to go about finding peace. The US and other gov'ts seem to think war will find peace. :roll: Most Americans, indeed most of the planet, thinks peace is a way to find peace.

 

[L Gilbert]

We all have insecurities don't we? Insecurity cannot be cured in America, it's the bussiness of the land, the only glue that holds you together. Who do you think you are to instruct me in compassion or friendliness? You would snuff me with napalm on sight.You told me awhile ago that you would rather eat glass than think like me, don't worry about it.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:

Well, I have a problem with eating wood, bulding houses in ponds, etc, too.

 

[jimmoyer]

The US and other gov'ts seem to think war will find peace. :roll: Most Americans, indeed most of the planet, thinks peace is a way to find peace.
------------------------------------------L.Gilbert----------------------------------------------------------

Chamberlain thought that too concerning the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia.

Maybe they thought that about Kuwait in 1991.

Maybe some of the Indians thought that in North America.

Maybe you think that about Hezbollah in Lebanon.

oh well...

I know you're right, sometimes, even if it comes off more sacrosanct than sanguine.

But who cares...

I think it's a lot more complicated than the simple righteous stands we all pose here.

(oh ...lol...speak for myself)

 

[L Gilbert]

I know you're right, sometimes, even if it comes off more sacrosanct than sanguine.

But who cares...

I think it's a lot more complicated than the simple righteous stands we all pose here.

(oh ...lol...speak for myself)

Using peace to find peaceful ends just means one has to be extremely disciminating, prudent, and reasonable, IMO
If one just declares that everyone should be peaceful without being prepared to duck, one needs to go to a nice cozy spot in a rubber room with striped sunlight.

 

[MikeyDB]

Who was the aggressor in your examples Jim?

How does the effort to protect yourself from the aggressor fail the test of working toward peace?

Hobnail boots with justified prejudices all the way from Ghentis Khan to Adolf Hitler and beyond....

Did Ghandi have a fleet of aircraft carriers...mother Theresa an AK-47....

Who wants peace, a nation that spends more every year on weapons that the combined GNP of many nations around the world...or people who simply want to be left in peace ....

 

[jimmoyer]

MikeyDB, everybody is here is old enough to know that sometimes
peace offerred gets war in return anyway.

We've seen the Germans do that to Chamberlain's peace offer over the Sudetenland.
We've seen the Great White Father do that to the Indians in North America when they
proposed peace to the white man.
We've seen nobody stop Saddam when he invaded Kuwait.



We've also seen the much rarer example of a Ghandi who used Thoreau's Civil Disobedience
to make a stand, only to be finally assassinated, and yet his push for a democracy lived on.

But beyond just being more mature about what attains peace or sustains it I'd like
to add a new angle:

Can anyone point to a war in history between two bonafide democracies or
democratic republics ?

I can't think of one.

 

[darkbeaver]

Better thing to do with the Hizbollah would be if Iran scooted the cowards outta Lebanese cities and out into the open.

Ah Gilbert that would be about seventy-five out of a hundred Lebanese out in the open.:laughing7:

 

[darkbeaver]

MikeyDB, everybody is here is old enough to know that sometimes
peace offerred gets war in return anyway.

We've seen the Germans do that to Chamberlain's peace offer over the Sudetenland.
We've seen the Great White Father do that to the Indians in North America when they
proposed peace to the white man.
We've seen nobody stop Saddam when he invaded Kuwait.



We've also seen the much rarer example of a Ghandi who used Thoreau's Civil Disobedience
to make a stand, only to be finally assassinated, and yet his push for a democracy lived on.

But beyond just being more mature about what attains peace or sustains it I'd like
to add a new angle:

Can anyone point to a war in history between two bonafide democracies or
democratic republics ?

I can't think of one.

You point out the bonifide democracys and we'll point out the wars. Palistine and Israel.America is the last bastion of freedom. R Rugnut Reagan

 

[tamarin]

Hmmm...where are all these fabled democracies, indeed? Canada isn't one. All the countries that seem to think they are are usually bastardized upon inspection. War is a natural state of man. Competition in its most common and pernicious condition.