Chirac's nuclear fallout talk

blugoo

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blugoo you sure have jumped on the band wagon against Iran. Where is your proof? I think you've been watching to much Bush on tv lately. The brainwashing may be starting to work.

I have to laugh at your other post stating that Iran with nuclear weapons will throw the middle east into chaos. As to what is going on now it can't get much worse.

Personally if Iran does have nuclear weapons it may help stabilize the region in the long run by forcing the USA to butt out. Why should the USA and it's lap dog Israel control the middle east. Last I checked Iran and Iraq were independent countries.

Are you even aware that the UN has deemed Iran's activities dangerous, and has passed a resolution ordering Iran to cease and desist? The desire among some people to defend, and give the benefit of the doubt to regimes like Iran is baffling...

And I have to laugh at your post saying a nuclear armed Iran wouldn't throw the middle east into chaos. If you think the current state is as bad as it gets....you're incredibly mistaken. Would Israel accept a nuclear Iran? How do you think the Sunni arab nations would react to the Shiite Iran exerting further influence the region? There are many tensions in the middle east, that are much more complex than just blaming America for everything.
 

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American fury at Iran bombs



Deadly ... Iranian mortar bomb which the US put on display. Private Luke Simpson, right



February 12, 2007


THE US yesterday accused Iran of training Iraqi militants and arming them with weapons and explosives to kill American troops.


Senior coalition officials said the “highest levels” of Iran’s regime were responsible for aiding Shia militias in Iraq.

Officials presented evidence of Iranian-made roadside bombs and projectile explosives found in Iraq.

Meanwhile, tributes were paid to the 101st British soldier to die in action in Iraq.

Private Luke Simpson, 21, of the 1st Battalion, the Yorkshire Regiment, was killed by a roadside bomb near Basra on Friday.

His commanding officer, Lt Col Andrew Jackson, praised his “passion and zest for life”.

** A SUICIDE bomber drove a truck packed with explosives into a police station near Baghdad yesterday, killing at least 15 people.

thesun.co.uk
 

Avro

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The U.S. is over stretched in Iraq so it can't attack Iran unless it is minor air strikes but that would only help the regime in Tehran.

Plus the U.S. has zero credibility in the world and it's own population as a result of the lies about Iraq.
 

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The U.S. is over stretched in Iraq so it can't attack Iran unless it is minor air strikes but that would only help the regime in Tehran.

Plus the U.S. has zero credibility in the world and it's own population as a result of the lies about Iraq.

That won't stop the attack however, the plan from the beginning has been to sieze the whole region,
while things appear to be out of control in Iraq that's not necessarily a bad thing for the Americans,
afterall they have blamed the situation on Iran which if they don't take out makes the whole adventure crumble which takes out the Empire, they must remove Iran from the picture the economy needs the big win. :wave:
 

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Fight against Iran too familiar

By Eric Margolis

While the Bush/Cheney administration seems hell-bent on provoking war with Iran, Americans appear far more alarmed by the dangers of global warming. Many of them must regret not voting for "Ecological Al" Gore in 2000.
While icebergs melt, the U.S.-Iran confrontation is getting very dangerous. The heaviest concentration of U.S. naval strike forces since the 2003 war against Iraq is concentrating off Iran.
In a disturbing replay of that conflict, CIA drones and U.S. Air Force recon aircraft -- along with U.S. and British Special Forces -- are overflying Iran and probing its nuclear and military installations. CIA and Britain's MI6 are stirring unrest among Iran's Kurds and Azerbaijanis, and arming Iranian Marxist and royalist exiles.
A belligerent President George Bush ordered U.S. forces in Iraq to "kill" Iranian agents or diplomats who appear threatening.
U.S. troops in northern Iraq broke into an Iranian liaison office and arrested its military staff. Bush unblushingly warns Iran, not to "meddle" in neighbouring Iraq.
Pentagon sources accused Iran of smuggling weapons and explosives to "Iraqi insurgents;" though the "insurgents" are in fact Shia militiamen allied to the U.S.-installed Baghdad regime. Half of the 21,000 additional U.S. troops headed to Iraq are being positioned to cover the Iranian border and block an Iranian threat to the main U.S. -Kuwait-Baghdad supply line.
New contingents of U.S. Air Force personnel and warplanes are arriving at key forward air bases in Bulgaria and Romania that link the U.S. to the Mideast and Central Asia. U.S. bases in Britain, Germany, Diego Garcia, the Persian Gulf, Central Asia, and Pakistan are reported on heightened alert. Turkey is being pressed to allow U.S. and Israeli strike aircraft to use its air space to attack northern Iran.
The Pentagon's latest strike plan against Iran includes more than 2,300 "high value" targets such as its dispersed nuclear infrastructure and, worryingly, operating reactors, air and naval bases, ports, telecommunications, air defences, military factories, energy networks and government buildings.
Iran's water and sewage systems, bridges, food storage, and bomb shelters could also be targeted, as were Iraq's in 2001.
The U.S. Treasury has mounted a highly effective campaign to strangle Iran financially, seriously hurting its foreign banking connections, retarding industrial growth and energy production, and impeding foreign investment.
The Bush administration and close ally Israel have sharply intensified their war of words against Iran, claiming, implausibly, it poses a nuclear threat to the entire world.
Israeli threats
Politicians in Israel are in dangerous emotional overdrive and making open threats to attack Iran. They claim Iran is a new Nazi Germany and Israel faces a second Holocaust -- in spite of its powerful triad of nuclear forces that can survive any surprise attack.
Though UN inspectors find no evidence Iran is producing nuclear weapons, Tehran, like Saddam's Iraq, is being told to prove an impossible negative -- that it has no nuclear weapons.
With disturbing deja vu, the U.S. Congress and media are swallowing the administration's torrent of unproven allegations against Iran precisely the way they lapped up its grotesque lies about Iraq.
Intelligence analysts would conclude either: Washington is trying to bluff Tehran to abandon its entirely legal but worrisome civilian nuclear power program and thus claim a major victory after so many defeats. Or, the cornered Bush/Cheney administration is trying to provoke an air and naval war against Iran as a last desperate, ideologically driven assault against the Muslim world, and divert attention from its Iraq debacle.
'Not very dangerous'
Amid growing war fever, this week France's President Jacques Chirac sensibly observed, off the record, that even if Iran had a few nuclear weapons for self-defence, "it is not very dangerous."
Iran would be obliterated by U.S. and Israeli nuclear counterstrikes if it ever used its nukes against Israel, noted Chirac, and is unlikely to commit national suicide.
After his comments became public, Chirac retracted them when Washington's French-haters went apoplectic. But, as he did before Bush's 2003 war against Iraq, Chirac spoke with logic and good sense.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2007/02/04/pf-3522931.html
 

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Fight against Iran too familiar

By Eric Margolis

While the Bush/Cheney administration seems hell-bent on provoking war with Iran, Americans appear far more alarmed by the dangers of global warming. Many of them must regret not voting for "Ecological Al" Gore in 2000.
While icebergs melt, the U.S.-Iran confrontation is getting very dangerous. The heaviest concentration of U.S. naval strike forces since the 2003 war against Iraq is concentrating off Iran.
In a disturbing replay of that conflict, CIA drones and U.S. Air Force recon aircraft -- along with U.S. and British Special Forces -- are overflying Iran and probing its nuclear and military installations. CIA and Britain's MI6 are stirring unrest among Iran's Kurds and Azerbaijanis, and arming Iranian Marxist and royalist exiles.
A belligerent President George Bush ordered U.S. forces in Iraq to "kill" Iranian agents or diplomats who appear threatening.
U.S. troops in northern Iraq broke into an Iranian liaison office and arrested its military staff. Bush unblushingly warns Iran, not to "meddle" in neighbouring Iraq.
Pentagon sources accused Iran of smuggling weapons and explosives to "Iraqi insurgents;" though the "insurgents" are in fact Shia militiamen allied to the U.S.-installed Baghdad regime. Half of the 21,000 additional U.S. troops headed to Iraq are being positioned to cover the Iranian border and block an Iranian threat to the main U.S. -Kuwait-Baghdad supply line.
New contingents of U.S. Air Force personnel and warplanes are arriving at key forward air bases in Bulgaria and Romania that link the U.S. to the Mideast and Central Asia. U.S. bases in Britain, Germany, Diego Garcia, the Persian Gulf, Central Asia, and Pakistan are reported on heightened alert. Turkey is being pressed to allow U.S. and Israeli strike aircraft to use its air space to attack northern Iran.
The Pentagon's latest strike plan against Iran includes more than 2,300 "high value" targets such as its dispersed nuclear infrastructure and, worryingly, operating reactors, air and naval bases, ports, telecommunications, air defences, military factories, energy networks and government buildings.
Iran's water and sewage systems, bridges, food storage, and bomb shelters could also be targeted, as were Iraq's in 2001.
The U.S. Treasury has mounted a highly effective campaign to strangle Iran financially, seriously hurting its foreign banking connections, retarding industrial growth and energy production, and impeding foreign investment.
The Bush administration and close ally Israel have sharply intensified their war of words against Iran, claiming, implausibly, it poses a nuclear threat to the entire world.
Israeli threats
Politicians in Israel are in dangerous emotional overdrive and making open threats to attack Iran. They claim Iran is a new Nazi Germany and Israel faces a second Holocaust -- in spite of its powerful triad of nuclear forces that can survive any surprise attack.
Though UN inspectors find no evidence Iran is producing nuclear weapons, Tehran, like Saddam's Iraq, is being told to prove an impossible negative -- that it has no nuclear weapons.
With disturbing deja vu, the U.S. Congress and media are swallowing the administration's torrent of unproven allegations against Iran precisely the way they lapped up its grotesque lies about Iraq.
Intelligence analysts would conclude either: Washington is trying to bluff Tehran to abandon its entirely legal but worrisome civilian nuclear power program and thus claim a major victory after so many defeats. Or, the cornered Bush/Cheney administration is trying to provoke an air and naval war against Iran as a last desperate, ideologically driven assault against the Muslim world, and divert attention from its Iraq debacle.
'Not very dangerous'
Amid growing war fever, this week France's President Jacques Chirac sensibly observed, off the record, that even if Iran had a few nuclear weapons for self-defence, "it is not very dangerous."
Iran would be obliterated by U.S. and Israeli nuclear counterstrikes if it ever used its nukes against Israel, noted Chirac, and is unlikely to commit national suicide.
After his comments became public, Chirac retracted them when Washington's French-haters went apoplectic. But, as he did before Bush's 2003 war against Iraq, Chirac spoke with logic and good sense.
 

blugoo

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Just curious...

Does anyone else know that the EU (which includes even France) has decided to impose sanctions on Iran for failing to comply in halting uranium enrichment?

Not just America, not even just Britain....the European Union is taking action.

So tell me again how the Bush administration is the only one in the world who has a problem with Iran?
 

blugoo

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difference is we're not the one's sending drones and spies into iran with orders to kill people who look suspicious

That order you are referring to applies to Iranians believed to be working with insurgents in IRAQ, not Iran.
 

Avro

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Just curious...

Does anyone else know that the EU (which includes even France) has decided to impose sanctions on Iran for failing to comply in halting uranium enrichment?

Not just America, not even just Britain....the European Union is taking action.

So tell me again how the Bush administration is the only one in the world who has a problem with Iran?

I wonder if public opinion is the same...you know....the ones that actually send their kids to fight these wars.

What if...and I mean if.

We just pulled out of the middle east altogether and just left them alone.