Chechen Conflict: Trying to achieve Independence

[gopher]

they butcher children and use their blood to make Russian bread


This is a most unfortunate remark. You obviously do not understand the history of Romanov invasion and extermination campaigns in Kavkaz and the Stalinist campaigns thereafter. Nor have you availed yourself of the readily available information which demonstrates that Putin's campaign is the equal in evil of any prior campaign. Perhaps the following will help you see the truth and if you view it objectively, you will regret this unfortunate remark above:


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/chechnya/index.html

 

[Jersay]

Jersey have you been to Israel? If not perhaps you should go and with a bit of luck you might witness first hand the horror of a suicide bombing.

I honestly have not, but a friend did and you know what he said?

He said the Israeli's picked up the body parts of their dead while the Palestinians alongside them picked up the body parts of their dead. Side by side a people victims of scum like Hamas.

Perhaps you could meet the many Palestinians happily employed in Israel who want nothing more than make a life without being part the Jihad. Fact is Israel has also collected and donated money to the Palestinian people.

Is Israel perfect? No. But they are not the monsters you think them.

Go to the UAE where Israeli's are banned. To Saudi Arabia where hate is taught in the Schools. To Egypt where a great Muslim named Anwar Sadat made peace with Israel and was murdered for his incredible act of courage.

Everyone loves an underdog. Sadly this underdog cheats it's own people and sends young people to die for a cause that is a ruse. Peace will only be achieved when we hold these murderers accountable, until then they answer to no one.

There would have been Peace long ago, but when peace arrives Hamas and their Ilk will be out of business. This is something all terrorist organizations will resist. Peace for them offers no future.

Now that's what I call an evil corporation.

M

I don't think becoming an independent country free of Israeli control is a ruse. Now the way some groups, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, for example can be discussed in depth and the faults of their campaigns can be discussed.

I hope for peace, but I also want Palestinians to stop being stepped on just like the Chechens, the true seperatist Chechens who fight for a cause. That is all I want.

I would love for 'terrorist tactics' to end just as long as the people they fight against would play by the rules as well. As not collaberative measures against civilians or detention and killing of civilians that has occured in Chechnya.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Perhaps the following will help you see the truth and if you view it objectively, you will regret this unfortunate remark above:

I know a thing or two about history my friend and I would never defend the tyranny of Stalin. As for your link, I will visit it, but I will discuss this no further. There are two mindsets here. Those who support the Palestinians no matter what and those that don't.

I will visit your link, but I'm done debating. Nothing personal, but we just can't get together on this one.

All the Best
M
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[gopher]

Look again my naive friend: this is a thread about Chechnya-Ichkeria, not about Palestine. You are confused about the two conflicts and the facts behind the grievances being made by the claimants in them.

In Central Asia, it is the Russians who have engaged in a prolonged campaign of Stalinist racist genocide. There's a great irony in this as Stalin was a Georgian which is an ethnic grouping of Caucasian stock - not Russian! History shows that he committed Hitlerian atrocities against member of his own race! And today, Putin is doing the same and worse!

The actions of all terrorists are to be condemned, whether they be done by Basayev or by Putin.

Palestine is a different subject and that is why I did not address it in this thread.