Celts and Vikings possibly fought against Anglo-Saxons

[Jersay]

Vikings exerted influence throughout the coastal areas of Ireland and Scotland, and conquered and colonized large parts of England (see Danelaw). Wales also saw large-scale Viking settlements on it's coast; the modern day city of Swansea takes its name from Sweyne the Viking who was shipwrecked at modern day Swansea Bay; neighbouring Gower Peninsula has many place names of Norse origin (such as Worms Head, worm is the Norse word for dragon, as the Vikings believed that the serpent shaped island was a sleeping dragon). 20 miles west of Cardiff on the Vale of Glamorgan coast is the semi-flooded island of Tusker Rock which takes it names from Tuska the Viking whose people semi-colonised the fertile lands of the Vale of Glamorgan. They travelled up the rivers of France and Spain, and gained control of areas in Russia and along the Baltic coast. Stories tell of raids in the Mediterranean and as far east as the Caspian Sea.

Significantly, the Celtic nations of Scotland, Ireland, Wales and Cornwall, during their battles against the Anglo-Saxons, decided to ally with the Vikings against the Saxons. Possibly as a result, the modern-day Celtic nations of Britain, in particular the cities of Cardiff, Swansea and Dublin, have a certain pride in what is perceived as "Viking ancestry".

Adam of Bremen records in his book Gesta Hammaburgensis Ecclesiae Pontificum, (volume four): - :Aurum ibi plurimum, quod raptu congeritur piratico. Ipsi enim piratae, 'quos illi Wichingos as appellant, nostri Ascomannos regi Danico tributum solvunt. - :"There is much gold here (in Zealand), accumulated by piracy. These pirates, which are called wichingi by their own people, and Ascomanni by our own people, pay tribute to the Danish king."

Wikipedia is where to go.

 

[Jersay]

Interesting. Too bad they lost

 

[Finder]

Well the Saxons didn't take Ireland. Though the Anglo-Saxon-Norman-Celt off shoot you could say conqoured most of Ireland later.

Yeah when I was in Ireland, in soem of the historic area's they talked of viking settlements here and there.

Edit: however the celts and the vikings are not the same, nor do we share the same historic traditions nor religions, and the vikings came to Ireland at times as uninvited as any other conqourer.

 

[Finder]

http://www.celticgrounds.com/chapters/appendix/map-celticworld.htm


look at the once great empire we controled! This doesn't include the area's we plundered our controled economically. Which would cover most of that map indeed. Greek and Italian cities were paying tribute to the celts at the ht of there power, even Rome was plundered and forced to pay tribute. Rome itself was burned to the ground and it's allies in shambles. Greek cities were scared sh*tless of the celts. Of course our luck changed around the end of the Roman Republic and since then with both the Roman Empire conqourering our lands and barbarian invasions to the east and north, well thats a war on three fronts and since the celts were not really a unified nation, it was easy to divide and conqour.

They say the celts were coming close to a centrial authority but was crushed by the Roman victories. If only we had had this authority even a hundred years sooner, perhaps history would have been kinder to the celts and we wouldn't be stuck on a small island and subjected threwout europe in small communities. =-(

 

[The conductor]

Vikings were farmers, merchants and best of all warriors.

 

[Jersay]

Vikings were farmers, merchants and best of all warriors.

I agree with that statement.

 

[Jersay]

What i want to know is what is so different between the three groups.

The Vikings and the Anglo-Saxons, are germanic, while the Celts are Indigenous to the isles. The spoke nearly the same language. So did the Celts if this is true fought with the Vikings because they preceived they were the better warrior??

 

[Finder]

What i want to know is what is so different between the three groups.

The Vikings and the Anglo-Saxons, are germanic, while the Celts are Indigenous to the isles. The spoke nearly the same language. So did the Celts if this is true fought with the Vikings because they preceived they were the better warrior??

Well actually the main celtic body is known as a Euro-indo culture, with it's roots both somewhere mainly in Europe. Ireland is not the "homeland" of the celts but it is the only place we are truly left with most of our culture in tack. Considering the Celtic tribes stretched mainly across what is today Germany and france it is most likely the group we know as the celts started somewhere in this area as a culture. But as we all know the Romans and other barbarians pushed back the celtic culture into the british isles, and almost destorying it as the anglo-saxons attempted to over run the culture even there.

I think we are lucky today that the celtic culture was able to survive as it did. So many acient culturers have completely disappeared but we do have on left, the celts. Even the Roman, Acient eygption and so many more ancient culturers have been more or less lost or adopted into others.

 

[Jersay]

What i want to know is what is so different between the three groups.

The Vikings and the Anglo-Saxons, are germanic, while the Celts are Indigenous to the isles. The spoke nearly the same language. So did the Celts if this is true fought with the Vikings because they preceived they were the better warrior??

Well actually the main celtic body is known as a Euro-indo culture, with it's roots both somewhere mainly in Europe. Ireland is not the "homeland" of the celts but it is the only place we are truly left with most of our culture in tack. Considering the Celtic tribes stretched mainly across what is today Germany and france it is most likely the group we know as the celts started somewhere in this area as a culture. But as we all know the Romans and other barbarians pushed back the celtic culture into the british isles, and almost destorying it as the anglo-saxons attempted to over run the culture even there.

I think we are lucky today that the celtic culture was able to survive as it did. So many acient culturers have completely disappeared but we do have on left, the celts. Even the Roman, Acient eygption and so many more ancient culturers have been more or less lost or adopted into others.

So it seems they all originate in Germany or close to what is now Germany. The Vikings, the Anglo-Saxons and the Celts. However, I agree about your last section about preserving ancient cultures.

And who are you calling a barbarian??

 

[Finder]

Well the celts live in Germany before the germans or saxons did.

I think the only place the ancient celts didn't occupy during it's hay day are the realms of the nords in the north of Europe. But I bet at that time we still got tribute from you guys. If we got tribute from the Greeks, Romans, Etruscans and Phoenicians, Nordic farmers would have been push overs. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

[Jersay]

Well the celts live in Germany before the germans or saxons did.

I think the only place the ancient celts didn't occupy during it's hay day are the realms of the nords in the north of Europe. But I bet at that time we still got tribute from you guys. If we got tribute from the Greeks, Romans, Etruscans and Phoenicians, Nordic farmers would have been push overs. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Yeah. Well in the annuals of history those Nordic farmers were a pretty powerful force after they took the reins from the Celts and the Romans. Even if we did pay tribute to the Celts.

 

[Finder]

Our great hero Vercingetorix surrendering to Caeser during the war too many celtic women and children were suffering.

Vercingetorix attempted to keep fighting before this to have the women and children only to surrender to Caeser in hopes they would be spared. Once the Romans refused to accept them as prisoners Vercingetorix's last hope of another Celtic army coming to his rescue was crushed and instead of fighting longer and having women and children dieing he surrendered to Caeser himself in person, his only begging point was the women and children be allowed to live. Though I respect Vercingetorix as a great warrior and king of the celts he should not have surrenderd, as allowing the Romans to gain another Celtic foot hold was spelling the doom of the European celtic culture. In fact allowing the Romans to weaken the Celtic culture by letting them be Romanized in many parts of main land Europe. In a sence it would have been better to fight to the death in Europe then allow the celtic culture to be washed away by the Romans over time.

The Celtic culture today on main land Europe survices in few places like Britany in France, where the Bretons still live and speak the old celtic tongue.

Boudicca (Celtic Breton)

Celtic nations, sorta, the ones were we still live.

 

[Finder]

Celtic speakers, celtic people living, and where celtic people once dominated.

 

[Jersay]

I guess that is why the Vikings were believed to have been wiped out for so long in Europe because you had to destroy them in numbers and spirtualy as well by destroying their hearths and spiritual places.

 

[Finder]

I guess that is why the Vikings were believed to have been wiped out for so long in Europe because you had to destroy them in numbers and spirtualy as well by destroying their hearths and spiritual places.

yup in a sence, same happend to many celtic traditions.

But the vikings live on in the nordic traditions, do they not? Maybe not as directly as the celtic traditions since our culture was closed to being wiped out but was not in the end. But directly enough that the history and the people still live on, more or less.

 

[Jersay]

I guess that is why the Vikings were believed to have been wiped out for so long in Europe because you had to destroy them in numbers and spirtualy as well by destroying their hearths and spiritual places.

yup in a sence, same happend to many celtic traditions.

But the vikings live on in the nordic traditions, do they not? Maybe not as directly as the celtic traditions since our culture was closed to being wiped out but was not in the end. But directly enough that the history and the people still live on, more or less.

Yeah the live on but it was so brutal that it was thought that they were wiped out. But there were pockets in Iceland and Germanic as well as in Scandanavia and it has grown ever since.

Yeah cool image about the Celts. They controlled alot of territory. For the Vikings, add large parts of Russia, All the way down to the Mediterranian. Places in France, Germany, Spain (North), as well as Iceland, Greenland and the East Coast of North America.

 

[Jersay]

You know its funny that Christians and Anglo-Saxons in General needed the help of the Celts and especially the Vikings as warriors in their conquests during the Crusades and other times and then they tried their best to destroy the two groups as well as others in Europe. At least they failed. Right Finder.

 

[Finder]

Well if you ask me the Celtic warrior spirit started to fall after Vercingetorix surrendered, but yeah it did go on of course. I know the vikings were mercancies for almost everyone at any given point and were the best warriors during the dark ages. The celts during this time were being converted to Christianity and as far as I know the culture was somewhat in decay and well not really a military force at that time. Though yeah later on during wars they were always hardend troops.

Nope the dark ages were the vikings age really. However the eastern empire was still a great power at that time.

 

[Jersay]

Well if you ask me the Celtic warrior spirit started to fall after Vercingetorix surrendered, but yeah it did go on of course. I know the vikings were mercancies for almost everyone at any given point and were the best warriors during the dark ages. The celts during this time were being converted to Christianity and as far as I know the culture was somewhat in decay and well not really a military force at that time. Though yeah later on during wars they were always hardend troops.

Nope the dark ages were the vikings age really. However the eastern empire was still a great power at that time.

Agreed. Yeah the Dark Age was for the Vikings. The eastern Roman Empire was still strong but that was because they were using the Vikings as Mercenaries. So when Vikings are fighting against Vikings it is a toss up who will win.

 

[Jersay]

On the mercenary link. I was reading somewhere that a Viking unit was left to defend Constantinople versus a Muslim attack. And the ones that attacked them was another Viking unit. And when the Muslims ones they used both Vikings Units as a police force to guard Constantinople. Interesting huh.