Carolyn Parrish

[Scape]

If Bush is so warlike and crazy, do you not fear Carolyn's remarks? Wars have begun over much less insults than hers.

Isn't the real reason she was fired is because her remarks can and have caused a decline in international relations between the countries? Do Canadians want MP's to speak freely even though it might damage your standing with the international community? What if a conservative MP said something that caused another country to condemn Canada at the UN?

Just curious...

Like a poker chip she was played to get votes and played to get a deal. Martin is no fool. I do not fear Carolyn's remarks as much as Bushes actions that she is remarking on. We have and are being economically penetrated. Corporations (And the stockholders) have the same rights as Canadian citizens under NAFTA and the national treatment clause. Canada is for sale. That was the big plan for more jobs, we now have to provide 2/3s of our oil and gas to the US even if there is a shortage and with FTAA we will be deregulating our transportation, communications and financial institutions, bye-bye dollar and independent media. Also we are given no 'choice' with Martin at the helm in regards to missile defence. Foreign troops will be deployed on our soil that will not be defending us but them while keeping us under their control. That is an invasion, to deny that is to deny reality as any nation that relies on another to defend it's borders soon is not a country at all. Canada will be a geographical term, not a country and we will have irrelevant rights and an irrelevant vote to an irrelevant government while our birthright is sold from underneath us at fire sale prices. We need more of Carolyn's remarks, not less. We need actions to back up the words not to declare war but to defend our way of life that is very much worth defending.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Well said, Scape. Given the events of the last two days and the fact that Bush was obviously here to push BMD (Bush's Missile Debacle) on our spineless and greedy leaders in spite of their insistence that it was not on the agenda, I think we need a whole herd of Parrish's.

If any of you out there are part of the Liberal Party of Canada now would be a good time to start shaking down Paul Martin about his leadership abilities.

 

[Martin Le Acadien]

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Well said, Scape. Given the events of the last two days and the fact that Bush was obviously here to push BMD (Bush's Missile Debacle) on our spineless and greedy leaders in spite of their insistence that it was not on the agenda, I think we need a whole herd of Parrish's.

If any of you out there are part of the Liberal Party of Canada now would be a good time to start shaking down Paul Martin about his leadership abilities.

You're on to something, we have a bunch of Canadian Forces stationed here at Ft. Polk, Leesville, Louisiana training! Nice chaps but they are climbing all over our piney woods learning tactics from you-know-who! Even saw a CANADIAN FEDERAL LICENCE PLATE on a Canadian Army Truck! I know, they must be here to keep the Acadians in line, don't want those sneaky French neutrals planning anything.

No joke, however, Canadian Troops train down here quite often and it makes me wonder?

We have already been sold, and the devil is in the details!

Dick Cheney might lose the second spot and Paul Martin would take over, who knows, in this world of corporate mergers!

The annexation of the US to a Greater North American alliance could be taking shape. The dollars are working themselves back to Par for what purpose?

If its merger, when do we get downsized?

Stay tuned! Canada will take over North America without firing a shot and acquire more Real Estate than The Louisiana Purchase!

The Senate is the lynchpin to the plan and the Nation Hegonomy would be preserved and magnified!

We have a looney $1.00 also in the US, is this some sinister plot to make coke machines harmonious?

Carolyn Parrish where are you, the US needs more people like her to point out the dangers of associating with the Texans and Albertans! Speak up or you might own the coalition of the ignorant B***ards.

 

[TenPenny]

The reason Parrish was booted out of the Liberal party was because she said she didn't care if Martin was re-elected, and she had no loyalty to his team.

Imagine, say, a hockey player saying he doesn't care if they win the game. Do you think he'll get much ice time? No, of course not.

Parrish actually saved Martin from a sticky situation; I think he was willing to let her ignorant attitude pass, but her deliberate anti-party comment was it for the caucus. I heard the head of caucus (Andy Savoie, isn't it?) interviewed. The heads of the NDP and Conservatives agreed that, had she been in their party and done the same thing, they would have no choice. You just can't be a member of caucus and say to the press that you have no loyalty to the team, and that you don't care if they win.

 

[missile]

I did like the response she gave Tucker Carlson after some of his remarks concerning us "pushing our dog sleds" And I admire anyone who refuses to worship the ground Paul Martin walks on.

 

[TenPenny]

Oh, I agree. Bush is, absolutely, a moron; Martin is a guy who is significantly better than Chretien in many ways, but is pretty vague on everything. But if you agree to run for a party, as Parrish did, you are kind of expected to support it. And she announced that she didn't. No surprise as to what happened next.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The reason Parrish was booted out of the Liberal party was because she said she didn't care if Martin was re-elected, and she had no loyalty to his team.

That was the final straw, and even Parrish has said that she deserved to get booted for that. What led to that situation is a divide over Martin's policies toward the US. Not just, but especially, BMD. If Martin would have had a majority she would have been gone a lot sooner.

 

[Martin Le Acadien]

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Oh, I agree. Bush is, absolutely, a moron; Martin is a guy who is significantly better than Chretien in many ways, but is pretty vague on everything. But if you agree to run for a party, as Parrish did, you are kind of expected to support it. And she announced that she didn't. No surprise as to what happened next.

To Ten Penny and Rev. Blair,

They are POLITICIANS, they are vague and misleading!
Rev, as much as we spar, you know the public and private sides are different and I would love to know what Bush promised Martin, Martin promised Bush in the backroom deals. I bet the horsetrading would make us sick to know what was promised!

Bush ain't the brains of the operation, Cheney is! If Bush drops his cue cards he would probably just read from the side of a cereal box and make as much sense. (Canadian cereal box from Louisiana with the bi-lingual labels!) 8O

 

[Reverend Blair]

They talked about BMD, Martin. The conversation went something like this:

GWB: Sign on to my insane plan to take over the world from space.

PM: I dunno George, the people don't like it...

GWB: Make 'em like it or else.

PM: I'll try but it's going to take time.

GWB: F*** you, Paul. I'll tell them they have to.

PM: Please George...

GWB: F*** you, Paul. Let's pray.

 

[youwho]

This is a political forum. We should recognize the "standard of behavior" argument for what it is, which is just more rhetoric.

Apparently Martin thinks the "politeness" card trumps the "peace" card. The truth is that most Canadians, like most Americans, will grasp onto anything that will allow them to keep their jobs and sleep at night while 100,000+ are being killed to maintain the status quo.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It's funny how some would impose a standard of behaviour on Parrish, but have not heard those screaming their outrage about Bush being rude to former Prime Minister Chretien.

 

[missile]

I wish our exMP was still up in Ottawa,. Just imagine what Elsie Wayne would have said !

 

[DasFX]

Although it is refreshing to see a MP speaking her mind, a certain amount of diplomacy should be used. Unlike the average Canadian, Ms. Parrish speaks not only for herself, but she speaks for her constituents in Mississagua and all Canadians.

I share Ms. Parrish's opinion, her comments are perhaps something I would say and stomping on the Bush doll was funny. However, doing it in the public eye and having it broadcast around the world is something that is not good for Canadians and Canada.

Unfortunately being able to have "balls" and speak one's mind, yet be diplomatic is an art not prevalent in Canadian politics.

 

[missile]

In rethinking my coment on Elsie Wayne,came to the conclusion that in all those years we sent her to Ottawa to represent us,very little came back to us in the form of jobs,federal grants,etc. Now, that we are in step with the governing Liberals,things are looking up.Parrish's riding is bound to suffer from her big mouth,too.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I doubt very much that Parrish's riding will suffer at all. They voted Liberal and Paul Martin will want them to vote Liberal again. If Paul goes away, Parrish will very likely rejoin the party.

Either way they will be well looked after.

 

[TenPenny]

Missle: I'm sooooo glad Elsie is gone; I was so embarrassed when I moved and had to trade John Herron for Elsie...

I agree, Bush should NOT have been so deliberately rude to Chretien. I assume he felt he was repaying rude behavior, but it was an extremely UN-classy thing to do.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Hey! This is a great thread!

The last few contributions are beginning to sound Iraq-ish! Canadians are being invaded by American interests and the only way to stop it is to Nationalize everything we have. But, if we did that, (Just like Iraq did) .... the U.S. would invade.

That is just reality.

Another thing that bugs me, is that after a trade deal is signed, all the senior negotiators quit government service and become lobbyists for corporations. Anyone who is working for the government and is found to have any brains at all, are just hired by the corporations. We are then left with a bunch of Village Idiots negotiating the true meaning or the legal protocols. Corporations do the same with unions. During my time as a local union president, the company approached union officials constantly and offered "company" positions. Corporations admire leadership and not conscience.

The American Corporations are gonna divide and conquer us. The rich and the poor.

Someone mentioned about Corporations having the same rights as human beings. Yep! That is a fact!

Shame on us, eh?

Calm

 

[Scape]

Not true they have more for the person can never effectively sue the corporation and even if they managed a class action suit the company declares bankruptcy and changes names.

 

[Martin Le Acadien]

Hey! This is a great thread!

The last few contributions are beginning to sound Iraq-ish! Canadians are being invaded by American interests and the only way to stop it is to Nationalize everything we have. But, if we did that, (Just like Iraq did) .... the U.S. would invade.

That is just reality.

Another thing that bugs me, is that after a trade deal is signed, all the senior negotiators quit government service and become lobbyists for corporations. Anyone who is working for the government and is found to have any brains at all, are just hired by the corporations. We are then left with a bunch of Village Idiots negotiating the true meaning or the legal protocols. Corporations do the same with unions. During my time as a local union president, the company approached union officials constantly and offered "company" positions. Corporations admire leadership and not conscience.

The American Corporations are gonna divide and conquer us. The rich and the poor.

Someone mentioned about Corporations having the same rights as human beings. Yep! That is a fact!

Shame on us, eh?

Calm

Nationalization done wonders for Mexico, but seriously, let em buy what they want, are they going to pick up and move the physical stuff? Our nieghbour use to rant about the Japanese coming to america and buying up all the farmland, really my father would say, are they going to pick up and move North Dakota or Saskatchewan to Japan? Take the fools money.

OLD RUSSIAN PROVERB:

They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.

The problem with trade deals is that it benefits the corp and not the the guy on the street, if we saw cheaper goods, more opportunities or improvements in the Standard of Living they would be great, but its not so. Corporations can cross the border, not people. As you say the Village Idiot are the only ones left after the everyone goes "Consult" to make the new trade deal work for their "New Client".

I also am involved in represented labor being the "shop steward" for my offshore oil platform. We had an associate (Watch when they start calling you an associate and not an employee) who had medical problems with a brain tumor and he was statrting to lose cognitive functions, I approached the Superintendent about this and he did not want to stir up a hornet's nest but when I had him review the worker's case file and request a medical exam (costly) by explaining how we are supposed to be one big happy family looking out for one another (Nice to repeat the Company Propaganda back to the boss) no one could refute that! Got offered a job by an Op Mgr later on and realized they wanted to hire whores to parrot the company line.

$$$$$ drive the world, they just don't like to share. i don't think its limited to AMERICAN Corporations however, I got sent on a temporary assignment to Africa and the Europeans aboard the platform (who worked for a service corp) treated the natives much worse than American and Canadians abroad did. The natives were called racial ephitats (NOT REPEATABLE HERE) by these so-called Europeans who are supposed to be more advanced and sophisticated than the Americans. I was sick of it and treated the natives as I would anyone else, with dignity of the working man. Formed some lasting friendships out of this. (The natives are running the platform now!) Guess who they like to see return, and it isn't the Europeans.

That is just reality.

 

[Martin Le Acadien]

Re: RE: Carolyn Parrish

Although it is refreshing to see a MP speaking her mind, a certain amount of diplomacy should be used. Unlike the average Canadian, Ms. Parrish speaks not only for herself, but she speaks for her constituents in Mississagua and all Canadians.

I share Ms. Parrish's opinion, her comments are perhaps something I would say and stomping on the Bush doll was funny. However, doing it in the public eye and having it broadcast around the world is something that is not good for Canadians and Canada.

Unfortunately being able to have "balls" and speak one's mind, yet be diplomatic is an art not prevalent in Canadian politics.

Its not prevalent in US politics either, we have some politicos which make Parrish look like an Amateur!

From the country which invented the term, SPIN DOCTOR.