Carolyn Parrish
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I wouldn't sell it for billion. Your local head shop likely has it though...tucked in there amongst Chong's Bongs and the Noam Chomsky books and Bobblehead Jesus.
So, is it acceptable, as an elected representative of Canada, to be insulting and nasty to every foreign leader, or is it only GWB?
Is there any expectation of decorum from our elected officials, or are we content to have them all be as rude and ill mannered as Ms Parrish?
Is there any expectation of decorum from our elected officials, or are we content to have them all be as rude and ill mannered as Ms Parrish?
I'm with Ten Penny - do we lower ourselves to other's standards? Or do we set an example, by having a sense of pride and displaying decent behaviour?
You can do that. In fact Canadians have been doing that for ages trying to ignore the huge elephant in the dining room. All that does is allow a buildup of disenfranchisement, apathy towards positions of power and out right resentment when their concerns are ignored long enough. Sweep enough 'irrelevant' opinions under the mat and eventually you end up with politicians of Parrishes caliber. It's not just GWB they are reacting to, his hubris is the catalyst to be sure, but there is a litany of legitimate grievances that are being either ignored or shoved to the back burner.
Carolyn Parrish is a person we need as PM as she will stand up to those Americans. We have been to docile toward America for too long. It is time to stop there bullying.
I don't know about you Ten Packs, but my parents had so much pride and such a sense of decency that we had a, "No war criminals allowed" policy in my house. We were also taught to speak out when we saw that something was wrong.
Why are we being told to remain quiet, to not speak out, and to welcome a war criminal into our house? Why is Parrish, or anybody else, wrong for speaking out against such a thing?
Reverend Blair, I don't think that Ten Packs or Ten Penny oppose to Parrish's opinion, but to the fact she spoke out on an unsuited way.
I don't buy that argument at all though, Rick. She spoke out in a way that made her position very clear.
Well, if stomping on a figurine of a nations leader is acceptable behaviour for an elected official of my country, then something is wrong with my country.
Yeah I heard the whip for the reform, er conservative party John Reynolds say that exact quote. Had to laugh at that one, ohhh no more doll stomping!!! Evil!! Musta been the black boots I guess that got him all excited. If all it takes is a stomp on a doll in a harmless comedy skit to get the cons all worked up, well I guess that says it all on how much homage they have for GWB. Sure they can say it's disrespectful, it isn't a big secret that GWB is a leader who is not well liked around the world so why should this come as a shock? Your either with us or against us bit has got to be shown up for the PR scam that it is and there is no other way to do it then by being direct and if that comes off as rude, well fuddle duddle.
Hey Rev and Rick; Rick is correct. Personally, I think GWB is a moron and a danger to the world. However, I am a private citizen, and therefore free to express my opinion. If I were an MP, I would feel constrained to behave with some dignity and common sense.
There are certain expectations of those elected to high office. What is interesting, though, is that the straw that broke the camel's back was her blatant non-loyalty to the party and its leader. None of the parties would tolerate that.
There are certain expectations of those elected to high office. What is interesting, though, is that the straw that broke the camel's back was her blatant non-loyalty to the party and its leader. None of the parties would tolerate that.
I don't think she's lacking restraint though. I think she's shown great restraint by not calling him worse and been eloquent enough to reflect the views of a large portion of the Canadian people who are having their views ignored by the Martin government.
Consider this. Ms Parrish is/was a school teacher. Assuming that she returns to school, would it be appropriate for her to call, say, another teacher a moron in front of her class? Should she be allowed to stand up in class and say she hates the prinicpal, and she doens't care what the hell he does?
What rules of behavior would apply in the classroom?
What rules of behavior would apply in the classroom?
By definition, yes. And Ms Parrish seems unable to behave like one.
I'm just wondering if there is some standard of behavior for elected officials? I certainly have standards that I expect from them.
I'm just wondering if there is some standard of behavior for elected officials? I certainly have standards that I expect from them.
What if Martin comes to the Netherlands and for example our minister of Foreign Affairs Bot called him a "moron" (presuming he has grounds to believe so). Do you think that is appropriate?
Judging by the way world leaders and governmental officials have acted, there are no standards. If you look at the things Parrish has said and the context in which she has said them, they are not out of line.
Depending on the context it could be. Depending on the context I might cheer Bot on.
Reverend Blair said:
If Bush is so warlike and crazy, do you not fear Carolyn's remarks? Wars have begun over much less insults than hers.
Isn't the real reason she was fired is because her remarks can and have caused a decline in international relations between the countries? Do Canadians want MP's to speak freely even though it might damage your standing with the international community? What if a conservative MP said something that caused another country to condemn Canada at the UN?
Just curious...
No. I do fear Bush's warlike tendencies, his greed, his smug violence, his mental illnesses, his unthinking arrogance. I do not fear the remarks of those who speak out against Bush though.
It's odd...she was elected before Bush. She was in government during Clinton's time in office. US/Canadian relations were fine then, and Parrish wasn't being crucified. Bush came to office and Parrish stayed quiet until he started trying to take over the world.
Who is the problem in US/Canada relations here? It looks like it's George W. Bush and his gang of war criminals that are the problem to me.
The majority of the international community agrees with Carolyn Parrish. Why did you re-elect a president who the majority of the world hates?
That's why we didn't elect L'il Stevie Harper.
The flaw in your logic is that Parrish is not getting us condemned in the UN. She is speaking out against a country and a man that defied the UN and started an illegal war.