Canadians ashamed of our constitution?

[gerryh]

And as for homosexuality, i actually liked a suggestion made by ron Paul: The state woudl no longer recognize marriage, thus making it completely outside the realm of politics. Seeing that there are currently so many laws relating to marriage, it woudl mean an overhaul of the legal ssytem, but would be possible over a period of time, along with certain disadvantages too. For instance, since the law would no longer recognize marriage, it could no longer recognize adultery too, making it difficult in divorce cases, etc.

I'm not totally fond of Ron Paul's position, but it is worth considering at least, though I do see many problems with it too.

You are comparing the american system(Ron Paul) with the Canadian and they are different. Canada's divorce laws do not recognize "adultery". We use "no fault" divorce. Divorce in Canada is as easy as doing up the paper work, filing it, delivering it to your spouse and waiting.

Even if a Jewish school followed the provincial curriculum, it still gets no funding, whereas a catholic school would.

This is only true for Ontario I believe. A change in the BNA act is not required for Ontario to fully fund or partially fund private schools.

Sure there are Catholics attending public catholic schools, but there are no Jews attending public Jewish schools in Ontario because those schools can't exist.



Sure any religious community can set up such a school. The difference is, the catholic school might be able to get public funding in Ontario, whereas the others can't because the BNA Act doesn't recognize it. And if it's worked so well, why is it that at least one Jewish father had made a formal complaint to the UN high Commission for Human Rights, and it agreed with him? He argued that he'd paid much money to send his child to a private Jewish school, but had he been Catholic, he could have saved money sending him to a public Catholic school. If it works so great, why are Jews bringing forward formal complaints against it, and why is the UNHCHR agreeing with them?



Wrong, according to the BNA Act, Catholic schools can. There is no such guarantee for other schools. So no, not all schools are equally guaranteed funding.



Now the BNA Act does not prohibit funding for other religious schools but does not guarantee it too. Alberta at least had the magnanimity to recognize the injustice and so provide funding for all religious schools equally possibly. That is not the case in Ontario where only Catholic schools get that funding and not other religious schools. Since the Constitution guarantees it for Catholic schools only, it therefore allows governments, shoudl they wish to do so, to discriminate in favour of Catholic schools as Ontario does.



Well then let's go back to letting people give to the school of their choice and cut all public funding,. I'd be all for that. What we're talking about ehre though is not jsut church funding, but a constitutional guarantee of government funding for one denomination and not another.

It's been explained to you why the guarantee is there, and you recognize the fact that the province has the right and ability to fund anyone else they so choose. Therefore this is NOT a federal problem but is in fact a provincial one. The BNA act does NOT need to be amended to get what you are asking for. The province only needs to present the necessary legislation to bring public funding to private schools.

So you need to lobby your local MLA about this, rather than suggesting we tear apart the BNA act with the idea of reneging on an agreement made when Canada was formed or when a particular province joined the Dominion.

You are comparing the american system(Ron Paul) with the Canadian and they are different. Canada's divorce laws do not recognize "adultery". We use "no fault" divorce. Divorce in Canada is as easy as doing up the paper work, filing it, delivering it to your spouse and waiting.

I was just informed of an error I made by one of our american friends. It seems that divorce in the states is the same as here with "no fault". I would say that this just reinforces the ignorance that machjo continues to show when it comes to Canada and her laws.

 

[Machjo]

Has Ontario ever responded to the U.N. who gave them 90 days change these laws for Catholic Separate School system laws? I know there is nothing the U.N. can do to force a change, but a lot of Canadians always throw the U.N. at the U.S. when we do a perceived wrong.

I'd skimmed the UNHCHR a while back, so I don't remember the 90 days you're referring to, though I do remember it's been a few years now and it has already responded yearly to Ontario's lack of response.

Canadians are quick to criticize other countries' human rights records, but slow to acknowledge our own. We satisfy ourselves too easily that as long as we're not the worst of the bunch, we need not improve.

 

[petros]

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Do you know what accredited means? If they want to deviate from the Provincial curriculm they get **** all if they stick to it they get funded.

Look it up for **** sakes.
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Even if a Jewish school followed the provincial curriculum, it still gets no
funding, whereas a catholic school would.

You didn't look it up did you?

 

[WLDB]

The "why's" don't matter anymore. Even Quebec has done away with tax payer separate school systems. It's time to move on. Particularly now when the province needs to save money.