Canadians are begging for free trade with China

[MHz]

Western Forest Products for one .

Too bad the list wasn't 10 pages long instead of one name that may not even qualify in the end.
That would mean all the investment companies would also have to be Canadian too, what me to see who owns all of them??
WEF Western Forest Products Inc Shareholders | Overview | Morningstar

 

[Hoid]

WFP has done everything in their power to reduce jobs in Canada and create them in China. Last estimate I saw was 3,600 BC jobs lost via raw log exports.

 

[pgs]

WFP has done everything in their power to reduce jobs in Canada and create them in China. Last estimate I saw was 3,600 BC jobs lost via raw log exports.

Yes they have no saw mills on Vancouver Island ( sarcasm ) . And if what you say is happening , what is wrong with trade to China ? Don't bother answering , you have no knowledge of the forest industry in B.C. .

 

[MHz]

What do they ship to us that can't be found in Walmart and the DollarStore?

 

[Hoid]

Yes they have no saw mills on Vancouver Island ( sarcasm ) . And if what you say is happening , what is wrong with trade to China ? Don't bother answering , you have no knowledge of the forest industry in B.C. .

LOL sawmills on Vancouver Island.

Please tell me you are trying to be funny.

 

[mentalfloss]

It's good to have a free trade agreement with China, isn't it?

Is it better or worse than an agreement with the US?

 

[pgs]

LOL sawmills on Vancouver Island.

Please tell me you are trying to be funny.

As I said , you know nothing of the forest industry in B.C. . Have you ever been here ?

 

[Curious Cdn]

Great , China is still an ocean of dirty oil away and about $ 5,000.00 per container load away . You really don't care about greenhouse gases very much eh ?

Do you think that we have the leverage to change any of that in China, with or without any trade agreements with them?

 

[Hoid]

As I said , you know nothing of the forest industry in B.C. . Have you ever been here ?

i have been here since 86

 

[mentalfloss]

This thread is for our conventional leftist, Tay.

With Much Love,

Canada.

 

[Jinentonix]

It's good to have a free trade agreement with China, isn't it?

Is it better or worse than an agreement with the US?

Um, sure. If you're in love with the idea of an authoritarian regime using state owned and controlled corporations to buy up Canada companies.
Christ, you'll go along with any dumbass idea that Trudeau dreams up, won't you. Funny how the Trudeau govt was shitting it's pants over Bombardier talking with a major Chinese company about selling off it's C-series interests. Nope, we can't have that happening but don't worry, free trade with China will be no big deal. Just ask you right? Of course you'll say it's not but as usual fail to provide a cogent explanation to your point of view.

 

[Cannuck]

I call bullshit on that one.

I call shenanigans. Shenanigans trump bullshit

 

[mentalfloss]

Um, sure. If you're in love with the idea of an authoritarian regime using state owned and controlled corporations to buy up Canada companies.
Christ, you'll go along with any dumbass idea that Trudeau dreams up, won't you. Funny how the Trudeau govt was shitting it's pants over Bombardier talking with a major Chinese company about selling off it's C-series interests. Nope, we can't have that happening but don't worry, free trade with China will be no big deal. Just ask you right? Of course you'll say it's not but as usual fail to provide a cogent explanation to your point of view.

I agree with you, I don't like an authoritarian regime buying out everyone.

That's why I suggested maybe we stop free trade with that US in favour of China.

 

[White_Unifier]

We need to distinguish between the Chinese regime and the Chinese people. I don't see why we could not have free trade for sole proprietorships, worker cooperatives, and consumer-cooperative natural monopolies that that do not sell:

1. Any addictive product or service (such as alcohol, tobacco, gambling, pornography, and sexual services) that does not also serve non-addictive legitimate uses too (such as internet services, financial services, and food, all of which can become addictive in their own right) other than as prescribed by a physician.

2. Weapons other than sports equipment.

3. Potentially morally-controversial products and services.

I do not see why we should not allow totally free trade between businesses in the above category at least.

On the opposite extreme, we might want to totally block trade to state-owned enterprises and Crown corporations. to be fair to China, since it owns more state-owned enterprises than Canada does, we could allow China to block trade to Canadian private businesses that would compete directly with the Chinese state-owned enterprises.

As for all businesses between these, I don't see why we couldn't just negotiate the best possible trade agreement.

 

[Jinentonix]

I agree with you, I don't like an authoritarian regime buying out everyone.

That's why I suggested maybe we stop free trade with that US in favour of China.

Seriously dude, give it up. You can't possibly be that goddam stupid. If you honestly think the US is an authoritarian regime then there's absolutely zero point in trying to have any sort of reasonable, rational discussion with you. You're disingenuous and an intellectual coward of the worst kind. The kind that won't shut the f*ck up.

You know what the difference is between you and the forum non-trolls? They come here to actually discuss and debate stuff. You on the other hand have only one motive. To push some bullshit agenda that you refuse to defend outside of playing stupid or hurling visceral ad hominems.

Honestly bud, I don't know what makes you so stupid but it sure as hell is working for you.

We need to distinguish between the Chinese regime and the Chinese people. I don't see why we could not have free trade for sole proprietorships, worker cooperatives, and consumer-cooperative natural monopolies that that do not sell:

1. Any addictive product or service (such as alcohol, tobacco, gambling, pornography, and sexual services) that does not also serve non-addictive legitimate uses too (such as internet services, financial services, and food, all of which can become addictive in their own right) other than as prescribed by a physician.

2. Weapons other than sports equipment.

3. Potentially morally-controversial products and services.

I do not see why we should not allow totally free trade between businesses in the above category at least.

On the opposite extreme, we might want to totally block trade to state-owned enterprises and Crown corporations. to be fair to China, since it owns more state-owned enterprises than Canada does, we could allow China to block trade to Canadian private businesses that would compete directly with the Chinese state-owned enterprises.

As for all businesses between these, I don't see why we couldn't just negotiate the best possible trade agreement.

Oh puh-lease. Meanwhile Trudeau has tossed in a bunch of bullshit in the NAFTA talks about environmental issues and gender nonsense, basically trying to force their ideology on the US while happily looking away from China's horrendous human rights record, that continues to be horrendous, in the name of same laughable free-trade agreement.

The idea of full-on "free" trade agreement with China is about as absurd as flosstard's idea of "fair" speech. And Trudeau obviously agrees as per Bombardier.

 

[mentalfloss]

Seriously dude, give it up. You can't possibly be that goddam stupid. If you honestly think the US is an authoritarian regime then there's absolutely zero point in trying to have any sort of reasonable, rational discussion with you. You're disingenuous and an intellectual coward of the worst kind. The kind that won't shut the f*ck up.

You know what the difference is between you and the forum non-trolls? They come here to actually discuss and debate stuff. You on the other hand have only one motive. To push some bullshit agenda that you refuse to defend outside of playing stupid or hurling visceral ad hominems.

Honestly bud, I don't know what makes you so stupid but it sure as hell is working for you.

I just know how to properly endorse free speech.

 

[pgs]

i have been here since 86

Well if you have been in B.C. that long why are you so ignorant about us ?

 

[MHz]

Looks like the sanctions are making Russia a bit of an nationalist country.
Putin: Only Russian vessels will be allowed in the Northern Sea Route - Fort Russ
The right to transport oil and gas along the Northern Sea Route will only be available to vessels under the Russian flag. Such a proposal was formulated today by Vladimir Putin. This is just one of the measures that will help to load domestic shipyards with orders, first of all - the Zvezda complex in Primorye. Other measures to help the shipbuilding industry were today discussed in the Kremlin.


Zvezda is the first Russian shipyard of large-capacity shipbuilding, where it will produce everything from from giant tankers and gas carriers to drilling platforms. It should also become one of the largest shipbuilding companies in the world.


But it is not enough to just build a factory, Putin says. The main thing is to provide it with stable orders.


"I know that the prospective orders for Zvezda have been approved to 2035. We were talking about this at the enterprise itself when I was there last time, and this plan must certainly be carried out, not only by Rosneft, but also by all the others. It's not only Rosneft's task, it's the task of the entire Russian shipbuilding industry. This is a general national task - the development of production facilities and the creation of modern jobs in the Far East. So I ask you not to take this as a departmental or a sectoral issue - it is our shared responsibility " - Putin said to a room full of industry representatives.


In September 2017, in the presence of the president, four supply vessels of the ice class were launched here at once.


"Ekaterina the Great, St. Maria, Vladimir Monomakh and Alexander Nevsky will be launched into the water in 2019. The entire portfolio of orders from Rosneft is so far 24 delivered vessels, including five Aframax type tankers - eco-friendly , on gas fuel. Another 15 tankers of the Arctic class - ordered by Novatek. But in order to bring the Zvezda to world leadership, in 17 years, - many more need to be built.


The orders plan for the shipyard is to be completed by 2035, which is 178 ships of various types. For Rosneft this is about 56 vessels, and 32 ships for Gazprom.


"I want to remind you of the mutual responsibility of shipbuilders and customers. Our customers placing orders should be confident in the precise execution of the contract, be aware that they will receive products of appropriate quality at an economically reasonable price and in a timely manner. On this account the owners of the shipyard must give distinct financial guarantees" , - the president of Russia warned .


It is known that the capacities of Zvezda are being watched in both South Korea and China. The shipbuilding complex should be working to its full capacity by 2024.