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I just heard an ad for Mixfest on the radio. [Man's voice.] "Be in your seat for our special surprise announcement. You won't be in your seat for long after you hear it." Or something like that. Then, "Steven Page is up first. Then Kris Allen" [and here a woman's voice comes in, whispering] "and the big surprise!." [Then back to the man's voice.] "Then - The Goo Goo Dolls!" No mention of the acts that come in between.

The Truth is #19 on the published Hot AC chart.

Top 20, finally.

YouTube - Kris Allen - Heartless/Gangsta's Paradise (at Blue Bayou)

Meanwhile The Truth fell off the Kiss108 Top 30. (It was #21 or something, only a couple of weeks ago. Remember? I heard it. What happened?) Adam's If I Had You climbed to #15.

Request The Truth here: Request Page

Kris looks a bit like James Dean here (Greek Theatre):

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So, Kris and Cale only did three songs at Mixfest? And the big surprise was Maroon5 and they only did 2 songs? How was that related to Kris? I hope ross isn't too disappointed.

"He's real, Jim". I'm still laughing at Kris's face there. Krim is just too awesome to be true.
 

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So 3 songs... *sigh* and no band. (grr) But a teeny bit of Maroon 5. Lots of press from Mixfest though.

I'd be disappointed I think. I'm glad he didn't pay more than 10 bucks for the tickets.

Krim makes me happy.

Also.. "I don't know what to ask you" "Because you dropped your questions" lol

Cale too.

"He's not a doll"
 
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I guess you guys are talking about Krim outtakes? Do you have a link? I'm too tired from tarding to go look it up.

Yeah. Three songs.

Lots of press from Mixfest though.

SleepinIn always looks on the bright side. On reason we love her. :)

Okay, so...For once I don't really feel in the mood to write. My thoughts aren't organized.

There was some bad (Kris and Cale only played 3 songs, and Kris even said they were doing the "short version" of LLWD because they had so little time.) Really, I could hardly pay attention to the set because when I realized it was going to be that short I got annoyed, and I went down as close as I could get to the front so as to at least see up close (sort of) what little set there was. They were really good and gave it everything but I got the feeling they might not have been happy. (Steven Page also got three songs. He just accompanied himself on guitar. He was awesome, loved him.) He literally said, "Okay, I have ten minutes." It was ridiculous.

When S. Page and Kris/Cale were playing, the place was only half full (if that) and many people were just arriving, or walking around not paying a lot of attention. (Later, it was packed.) I mean, it was only 6:30 0r 6:45. They got no lighting effects and no video screens (they were reserved for the later acts). .

A woman I talked to told me she and her husband and son had just seen Spill Canvas, Switchfoot, and Goo Goo Dolls at Mohegan Sun (I think) -- casino in Uncasville, Connecticut.

All three of those bands played good-sized sets. S.C. played what would be the equivalent of an opening act set for the other two.

So, basically, this was just the Goo Goo Dolls tour, with Steven Page and Kris tacked onto the beginning of it, and Maroon 5 as the "surprise". To make it a "Mixfest" show. That's how I see it, anyhow.

Yet - I still can't believe Spill Canvas played a much, much longer set than Kris. They never even were advertised on the radio! [I have to give Kiss108 and the Kiss Concert the nod, in the Kris dept.]

The good: I met Cale maybe twenty minutes after their set, and I talked to him for a pretty long while. But - I never asked him about his son, ET (fail). He came from the backstage area (indoor/outdoor) and I just saw him and basically stopped him as he went by. He was really great, completely relaxed and friendly. There's no defensiveness, just the same as Kris. He smelled good. lol. Had on some kind of cologne.

I told him the set was too short, and he said, "I know! We thought so too!" He kind of stomped his foot in a frustrated gesture. I asked him what happened, and he was like, "I don't know, man, we expected to play longer. There's just a really tight schedule." Then I asked him if Ryland was there, since he walked in front of me (not that close, a few rows forward) while Kris and Cale were performing. I wasn't really sure it was him. "Yeah, Ryland's here. He was going to play with us! But then there was, like, no time. Like you saw. It was crazy. We're supposed to be playing somewhere here tomorrow, actually. Right around here, I think. In this area. I'm not sure it's advertised. I don't know. Maybe it has to do with this same radio station? I'm not sure. But Ryland should be playing with us then."

Then we talked about when I saw them in Worcester. Cale said: "That was a great venue. Did you see the Barenaked Ladies that night? They were awesome. We're playing a lot of dates with them this summer, you know. They're really good. We're going to be opening for Maroon 5, too -- in a couple of weeks."

People are right. He's really chatty. You don't even have to draw him out a lot. He talks to you like he's known you forever and you both just talked a couple of days ago. I really liked him.

The other plus was seeing Kris, though I didn't meet him this time. (Which I think is okay, since last time I talked to him basically one on one with no one else around. Hey, you can't have it all, every time, right?)

This time, it was a mad crush of fans. I'll tell you what's weird. kind of. Most of the show, all these people were waiting around the place where the performers entered and exited, and a lot were Kris fans. Some were Goo Goo Dolls fans, and I think three girls who talked to me were Spill Canvas fans. The Goo Goo Dolls fans were there for a meet and greet, though, and they went in after a while. There were still a lot of Kris fans. Maybe 60 or so.

At one point, the Spill Canvas guys were escorted out through the crowd by security, with their heads down, etc., which was kind of ironic, since nobody cared. Nobody said anything or screamed, or anything. Kind of funny. Yet they got this big set in front of the fuller crowd, at around 7:30, and Kris got screwed, basically.

So anyway, when I nosed around, these people (the crowd) were almost all Kris fans. Most were teens. Some were twentysomethings. Not just girls, some guys. One or two moms escoprting the kids. And me.

Oh, yeah. there were people there (a different group) who were Steven Page fans, as well. He posed for pictures for a good half hour. And signed autographs. Which is hilarious because it was longer than he played.

I waited forever. I needed to pee. Eventually it was discovered (by the same two girls who he asked backstage to get autographs in Worcester -- who have actually grown quite a bit taller, in eight months or so) that Kris and Ryland were sitting onstage, watching Switchfoot's set (I got a picture of it - sort of). There were about ten girls (annoyingly) screaming "Kris!!! Kris!!" while he was listening to Switchfoot. But Switchfoot was so loud the girls weren't bothering anybody.

When Switchfoot was done, Kris left the stage, and apparently he agreed to sign autographes. There was a tall, fat, annoying guy handling it, and he said there would be no pictures. But of course there were pictures, and Kris was making a lot of faces for the camera. He's one of the most charming, charismatic people. He doesn't even have to say anything.

The crowd had dispersed earlier and there were only about 20 people left, at first. But as soon as word got around (by texting, probably) that Kris was coming out, hundreds (literally) of people crushed in.

(TBC)
 
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Hee! I love that you wrote that you weren't in the mood to write and then proceeded to write a novel! It's all good though, you know we want all the details! It's great that you at least got to meet Cale!
 

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Hee! I love that you wrote that you weren't in the mood to write and then proceeded to write a novel!

Hee! That's what we love about you :) And I'm glad you got to chat with Cale too. Seems like a big fail on the part of the radio station. And miscommunication all around. Who exactly are Spill Canvas anyway? LOL (and I think Steven Page is awesome too)

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Outtakes From Kris Allen's Interview With Jim Cantiello | News Video | MTV

I didn't get home til later but Mix had some backstage stuff that they streamed of Kris.


The Mix actually tweeted A LOT about Kris, both before during and after his set.
 

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I know. I knew you guys would say that! (About my writing a lot). Haha.

So anyway, I was in the center of this crowd of kids and young adults. This guy next to me literally said, "I can't believe I'm going to meet Pocket Idol." Then it got very close. A lot of people kept coming and I felt like a sardine. "Why am I here?" I said to myself. But I wanted to get pictures, mainly. (Oh, yeah, I forgot. Earlier, I got a picture of me and Cale, also.) Well, I got very close to Kris, like two or three feet away, but then the big guy said, "One minute." And there was no way I was going to get there so I told two girls who were desperate to meet him to go ahead of me (I'm such a nice guy, aren't I?). Well, they didn't make it either. But at least they can say they were close enough to touch him, I guess.

So I thought this was kind of strange. In a good way. Kris played at something like 6:30, and all these people hung around until about 10:00 just to get his autograph or get a picture with him. Even if they were watching the concert, they all came running when they got tweeted or texted or phoned, or whatever.

It basically looked like a scene after an Idols concert.

But, yeah, all the fans were kind of annoyed he only got about fifteen minutes. Some of the people had paid 50 dollars for tickets. Including the two girls who originally had sat across the aisle from me in Worcester. The mom of one of them told me they had both been saving up the 50 dollars, for weeks, from babysitting, just for this concert. I mean, that's not right.

So I missed the entire concert waiting there to see Kris. I actually only stayed for three songs by The Goo Goo Dolls, even though they were great. I just needed to leave by that point.

As I was walking back to my car, I saw Sue Brady (one of the Mix DJs) waiting for her ride in front of a hotel, so I went up to her and told her I thought Kris should have played longer. She seemed surprised. "You didn't think he played long enough?" I said no, I've never seen him play such a short set. "Did you come in to see him?" she said. I told her I had. She changed the subject by asking where I had come in from, and it turned out we both grew up in the same town, so we never got back to the subject of Kris.

There was some talk during the show (the DJs introduced the acts), as well as on the radio, by her, and by Gregg Daniels (DJ), about how she thinks Kris is hot, and how she couldn't stop talking about him all day, etc. Yet when I brought him up to her she seemed completely indifferent to him. I wondered if it was all just an act for the audience at the concert, and for the radio audience.

The Mix actually tweeted A LOT about Kris, both before during and after his set.

When Kris was signing, Gregg Daniels was on the air with him at one point, and he said (totally exaggerating), "There are, like, thousands of people here screaming for Kris Allen." Before this, he encouraged everyone to scream. (There were maybe 150 people, I'd guess. I don't know. Hard to estimate.)

But anyway, it was very frustrating to go in there to that concert and not hear him play a decent-sized set (I kind of wanted the band, there, too. At least it would have been good to see Ryland join them onstage). I was really looking forward to it, of course. I was all happy-in-anticipation. I now know for a fact you can't really enjoy a set that's three songs, even of you love the artist. It's okay but when he gets to the third song and he says he has to do the short version, and you realize it's the last song, you're distracted by questioning what's going on.

Kris's voice is so good, live, though. Of course, we've heard it "live" on Idol so it's not that big a shocker in person. It's just such a good voice, though - much better than it was a year ago, for some reason. As good as it was then.

Now I'll try to upload a few pics. Hold on.

Kris and fans after tonight's concert. on Twitpic

Cale on Twitpic

Steven Page on Twitpic

Kris Allen (L.) watching Switchfoot. on Twitpic

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(I'm such a nice guy, aren't I?)

The answer to that is. Yes, yes, you are.

But, yeah, all the fans were kind of annoyed he only got about fifteen minutes. Some of the people had paid 50 dollars for tickets. Including the two girls who originally had sat across the aisle from me in Worcester. The mom of one of them told me they had both been saving up the 50 dollars, for weeks, from babysitting, just for this concert. I mean, that's not right.

15 minutes really isn't long enough. I'd be pissed - especially because Spill Canvas played longer.. and I haven't a clue who they are. And Kris and the band are sooo good. :) *whine*

I'm glad you told the radio person that you came to see Kris and thought he should be playing longer. She may not give a damn, but at least she heard it. And it is mainly promo. Get to know your radio station personell and let them promote you. So it's all good.

Yay - you got pictures. Very, very cool. I'm glad Kris got to see Switchfoot too since he's such a fan. And hang out with them before the rockband game.

ETA: Just looked at the Mix pictures of the crowd with Kris from MJ's - wow! That's a crazy crowd ... I also see someone familiar.. lol

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos...22800410125_1236150327_31422431_1551342_n.jpg

Just listened to the interview from their website that Mix has up on their website, and they seemed very impressed with Kris hanging out, and signing for people and watching the other acts.

The video from yesterday

Annie L - Kris Allen Mixfest 2010 - TwitVid

They do sound really good!

More from behind the scenes.. with Steven Page. I kind of think it's funny that I've seen more of Kris with Steven Page than the rest of BNL.. lol

kris allen, Recorded on my iPhone in CBSRadioBoston on USTREAM. Radio
 
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15 minutes really isn't long enough

I don't think it was more than 10 minutes, honestly. When they had to play the short version of LLWD, even though they were only playing 3 songs? Blink and you missed his set.

I'm glad you told the radio person that you came to see Kris and thought he should be playing longer. She may not give a damn, but at least she heard it. And it is mainly promo. Get to know your radio station personell and let them promote you. So it's all good.

The DJs introducing Kris (I think it was Greg Daniels, Sue Brady, and Fast Freddie - the three I listen to after work sometimes) kept talking about how Sue thinks Kris is hot (during Kris's intro). They were also saying this on the radio as I drove to the concert. And I think Greg mentioned it again during the signing, since she was also there. Just filling you in on one way they promoted him.

I don't know if it's all good, SleepinIn, but it wasn't all bad. Unfortunately, maybe all the promo in the world isn't as good as giving Kris a chance to play a normal set with his band at a decent hour. (Or maybe it's better. Only 5000 people went to the concert but many more than that heard all the promo on the radio and saw it on the website.)

When you think about it, he and the other guys had to travel all the way up here. What a disappointment for him.

I'm beginning to recognize one type of Kris fan. Nice-looking, well-dressed, well-groomed girls, about age 16 to 18 or possibly 19. (They must be at least 16, because they drive). Sometimes with boyfriends, sometimes with one or two other girls. Not the screaming-idiot type. Polite, nice, very attractive. There were a lot of these girls in Worcester and it was obvious they were his fans. Same thing last night. I saw a lot of them drive up while I was sitting in my car eating before I went to the show. Then some of them were waiting for Kris to sign, later on.

More from behind the scenes..

The blonde you see in the clip is Sue Brady, who I talked to.

ETA: Just looked at the Mix pictures of the crowd with Kris from MJ's - wow! That's a crazy crowd ... I also see someone familiar.. lol

Ugh. Bad picture.

So...what do you think happened? Why was Ryland there? (And maybe the rest of the guys? Cale never said. I'm not pushy when I talk to these guys. I don't need to know everything.) Now I'm curious. Kris-Cale-Ryland have never played together before. Why would they? Do you think the whole band was there?

I wonder what show Cale was talking about that he thought they were doing today, in this area, that Ryland would be joining them for?

Okay, you saw the video of Kris and Cale. Now compare it to the video of The Goo Goo Dolls. Notice they added a set, lights, and video screens. Can you believe it's the same venue?

YouTube - The Goo Goo Dolls - Let Love In Live

“After enjoying a successful relationship, Sony Music Entertainment wishes Simon Fuller and 19 Entertainment well in this transitional period for the American Idol franchise. We look forward to continuing our relationships with the many artists on the Sony Music roster who have graduated from the American Idol system, including Kelly Clarkson, Daughtry, Carrie Underwood, Fantasia, David Cook, Adam Lambert, Kellie Pickler, Jordin Sparks and David Archuleta among others and we are excited for the upcoming albums later this fall from Season 9’s winner and runner-up Lee DeWyze and Crystal Bowersox.”

(Okay, SleepinIn. Here's a challenge for you. I'm daring ya. Put a positive spin on that one. lol)
 
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I don't know if it's all good, SleepinIn, but it wasn't all bad.

I really hate how the media dismisses Kris by saying he's hot. He's a good looking guy, but really I wouldn't still be listening to him if it was about his looks. I'd slap a poster on my wall or something. It's going to take time, and a lot of hard work to combat that attitude and he's doing that.

Or maybe it's better. Only 5000 people went to the concert but many more than that heard all the promo on the radio and saw it on the website.

It takes a lot of promo to build a brand - year's worth, so don't think that it's not valuable. 10 minutes sucks though - full stop. Did you read the review of the concert though? Guess who got good marks? Kris and Steven.. for having short mix fest friendly sets. The paper even remarked on how the rest of the concert was pretty much a goo goo dolls concert that went on too long. So I think you're right about that being what happened.

Kris is making contacts in the industry, with other bands (hanging out with Switchfoot for example) This is all good.

So...what do you think happened? Why was Ryland there? (And maybe the rest of the guys? Cale never said.

My uninformed theory...which could be and probably is full of ****. The guys expected to play longer - full band - but no time, but the bus had to get up here anyway so all are in Boston. Ryland came to the show as he knows the guys in Maroon 5. Rest of the guys took the night off.
(Okay, SleepinIn. Here's a challenge for you. I'm daring ya. Put a positive spin on that one. lol)

Okay that's a hard one. Sony pisses me off. No lie. They never promote Kris. But Kris does have the Universal publishing deal... lol And his songs are playing everywhere. I wonder how much he makes from that actually.

Talk to the hand Sony.
 

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Sony may actually be leaving Kris off the list because they're dropping him. They may have good reason o leave him off the list, in other words. For all we know. People are tweeting Gina Orr asking what it means.

I really hate how the media dismisses Kris by saying he's hot. He's a good looking guy, but really I wouldn't still be listening to him if it was about his looks. I'd slap a poster on my wall or something. It's going to take time, and a lot of hard work to combat that attitude and he's doing that.

A performer has to have some kind of charisma or some kind of sex appeal to get across to people. It doesn't hurt to have a lot of it. Don't worry if Kris starts out this way. A lot have - many serious artists started off considered 'hot' artists or heartthrobs.

Anyhow, they didn't mean anything by this at the radio station - it was all in fun, really. I probably wrote it wrong - it wasn't really disrespectful.

Did you read the review of the concert though? Guess who got good marks? Kris and Steven.. for having short mix fest friendly sets.

Didn't read it. Where is it? lol. That's funny.
 

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I have no idea what it all means, but in the press release, they wrote "among others" at the end of the list of names, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions just yet. They also left Allison and Danny off the list. I think Kris will stay with Jive for now, probably even for a second album.
 

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"Oooohh!" say the girls here to see Chris Allen! | 12seconds.tv (beta)

Yes they did say "among others." But (just speculating) it's possible they had to say that, because they don't know what the future of those others will be, with the label.
So they named 11 of them and only left out three? Doesn't it seem funny that they went to the trouble to mention 11 of them by name, and left three out? It would have been just as easy to name all 14.

This is the only video I attempted at Mixfest and it came out blurry. What's funny is that towards the end, you can see Ryland walking by (he comes in from the right) , wearing a gray hoodie and eating something.

YouTube - Kris Allen Mixfest 2010 Alright With Me
 
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Sony may actually be leaving Kris off the list because they're dropping him. They may have good reason o leave him off the list, in other words. For all we know. People are tweeting Gina Orr asking what it means.

That's something that's out of our hands though. So I don't really worry about it. If Sony drops him, he'll find another way. I think Hedley lost 3 record labels in the states.

Mix fest review.

Maroon 5 a surprise guest at ho-hum MixFest 2010 - BostonHerald.com

This leads me to believe Kris may be going to Universal, which would possibly explain why he's not on the list of artists Sony is "looking forward to continuing their relationship with."What do you think?
That's interesting. I don't know how feasible it would be without, Sony/Jive dropping him though. They're probably talking about the Idol's from season 10. But, who knows. Anything can happen. Sony never seemed that interested in Kris, but that's me looking at it from the outside without any facts. Jive did a lot for Kris I think. Not to say that they couldn't have done more, but Sony's dealt with a lot of Idol's maybe they're just tired of it? Makes me wonder how the X Factor people will fare actually.

Ryland walking by (he comes in from the right) , wearing a gray hoodie and eating something.
LOL - Funny :)

So Ryland went with them to the radio thing?

Did you see Hedley is playing Live in the Vineyard this year.. with Crystal? :)

Thanks for that Hedley video - it led me to a radio version of Beautiful - or whatever they call it. :) :)

YouTube - WLTJ/Pittsburgh Hedley unreleased song @hedleyonline @jacobhoggard @daverosin
 
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So Ryland went with them to the radio thing?

Sorry, what radio thing?

Did you see Hedley is playing Live in the Vineyard this year.. with Crystal? :icon_smile:

No, I didn't! That's wild.

I haven't listened to Jacob for a while and it's kind of jarring to listen to him (maybe it's because I've been listening to Kris so much?). In the clip I put up here, he sounded raspier than usual. I've been wondering how his singing will go over with US audiences at venues like that Vineyard thing. He's not especially an acoustic artist, and his voice is unusual, so you have to wonder. (Also, Hedley is a totally different type of band than what I'd expect to be playing at Live At The Vineyard.)

I agree with what you said - I think Jive is behind Kris, but Sony, the parent company? I haven't been able to tell one way or the other.

That's something that's out of our hands though. So I don't really worry about it. If Sony drops him, he'll find another way. I think Hedley lost 3 record labels in the states.

Everything is out of our hands, really. (Well, I could have abducted Cale the other night and forced him to tell everything he knows. I guess that would have been in my hands. Bwahaha.)

Hedley lost several labels in the States, I guess. One, anyway, that I know about: Capitol. But then they were successful in Canada at the time, so their whole careers didn't hinge on being dropped by a label in the US. If their Canadian label dropped them after about a year, that would be comparable to if Jive dropped Kris now.
 
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Sorry, what radio thing?

From the twitpics you posted. I think they're from a radio gig. And Ryland was there. (Or maybe they're not.. ?)

I've been wondering how his singing will go over with US audiences at venues like that Vineyard thing. He's not especially an acoustic artist, and his voice is unusual, so you have to wonder. (Also, Hedley is a totally different type of band than what I'd expect to be playing at Live At The Vineyard.)

I wonder about that too. Jacob has a very distinctive voice so that's all to the good, but it's not a typical "Idol-type" voice that's for sure. So yeah, I wonder too. They're fun to interview though, and he's got charisma and lots of stories to tell. So they should be fine - plus it's not like the line-up is all acoustic acts. Live In The Vineyard - An Intimate Pairing of Music, Wine, & Food - Music Although maybe they are doing all acoustic sets.

If their Canadian label dropped them after about a year, that would be comparable to if Jive dropped Kris now.

Good point.

Krinja_signal posted an ad today for TT -- It was kinda braggy. Made me happy.

http://radio-info.com/in3_src/images/newsletter/creatives/100805jive728x90.gif

Interview:

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Another interview and Performance. VERY funny.

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Hey, Joshua Radin will be there at the Vineyard show! He's good, I enjoyed him a lot at Mechanics Hall. I think Crystal will have a nice career. I can picture that happening very easily and I think she'll be the one the Idol label sticks to least.

I guess what I meant is that Hedley is a loud, raucous, pop-punk band, so I don't see that kind of band playing at the Vineyard. Though I guess Jacob doesn't pull his pants down and walk around onstage with his ass out, any more. And they've always done a lot of ballads and mid-tempo songs, anyway. And a lot of acoustic performances.

Krinja_signal posted an ad today for TT -- It was kinda braggy. Made me happy.

That's a nice ad! But why does it flash on and off so fast? It's hard to read.

Let me ask your opinion. Do you think Jive is confident in this song? They seem to be. They do these ads, and they're putting out a video. Do you think they feel it's a slow builder rather than a fast one?

Another thing. Someone on MJ's posted figures. The radio version has sold @50,000 copies (I think it was the radio version, anyway). Now, I recall weeks ago that Brian Mansfield posted the combined sales of the radio and the album versions. And I thought the figure was higher than that, way back then. So I wonder what the combined total is now? I also wonder if Jive cares which version they sell, as long as it sells.

No, maybe it was the album version.

Anyhow, I'm now officially sick of the g and d (that's gloom and doom, to you) of a certain ellegrll or elliegrll, on MJ's. Did you read this recap from Scranton? It's good.

Kris Allen – KRZ and BHT radio events in Scranton, PA | mjsbigblog
 
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Let me ask your opinion. Do you think Jive is confident in this song? They seem to be. They do these ads, and they're putting out a video. Do you think they feel it's a slow builder rather than a fast one?

I don't know - they seem to be. Don't they? I think slow builder for sure. Maybe why they didn't rush the video (aside from bad planning that is)

So I wonder what the combined total is now? I also wonder if Jive cares which version they sell, as long as it sells.

The label isn't going to give a damn whether it's x version or y version selling. I thought the total was around that then too when it was posted - but I don't really remember. (bad fan, bad) Who knows what it is. I've only started to see tweets about it from outside the fan base. So it's still got life in it I think.

Did you see the article with Ryland's Reel Big Fish band member? I don't have the link on hand, but it had a really snide tone towards Kris, and Ryland playing with him. He sounded pissed that Ryland was touring with Kris. Whatever dude.