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yes, and they wrote Lifetime together. Soooo Who knows? Nothing graphic though, LOL. Maybe a Yay Switchfoot.. Yay Kris..?

No Kara. Hum. I don't know how I feel about this. On one hand I found her really annoying and she talked in circles sometime.. and the playing to the audience really bugged. On the other hand sometimes she actually did have really good constructive advice about the music industry.

If they go back to 3 person panel with Randy, J-lo and Steven Tyler.. Randy best step it up a notch. That's all I'm sayin.

Marco Puig.. who knows if he was even really involved since Aaron was on LLWD too. And the editing crew seems the same as LLWD. Who knows what Kris thinks is creepy.. That flowered shirt is downright creepy... lol

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Anthology doesn't have the PA video up anymore on youtube - so if either of you want it and didn't download it.. ahem... http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T003XIVG

From last night's thing.

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Marco Puig.. who knows if he was even really involved since Aaron was on LLWD too. And the editing crew seems the same as LLWD. Who knows what Kris thinks is creepy.. That flowered shirt is downright creepy...lol

I would say he was involved or Kris wouldn't have mentioned his name. Aaron was on LLWD but that didn't make it his video. Anyway we'll probably find out later what went on.

Anthology has a lot of artist videos but they're all a year old, or something.

Taylor Hicks is going to be playing there. (Glamberts - have a field day with that one!)

I don't know what I think of this new judges' panel but it doesn't scream "class" to me, exactly. I wish they could have had four judges and had someone like Jake Gold. They need one person on the panel not wearing a gold chain and earrings.

 

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I don't know what I think of this new judges' panel but it doesn't scream "class" to me, exactly. I wish they could have had four judges and had someone like Jake Gold. They need one person on the panel not wearing a gold chain and earrings.

They do need a Jake Gold. I agree. Randy is no Jake Gold.

 

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Randy is no Jake Gold.

Not even a Farley Flex.

I think the JLo - Steven Tyler stuff is still not a 100% go. But anyway, I would consider them more the narcissistic, preening type of performer (never my favorite kind), and I wonder if they really care about anybody but themselves. I could picture Steven Tyler giving good critiques, for some reason - he's a serious, articulate guy when he talks. But I have a hard time looking at him.

I'm sorta trying to work this out in my head as I write, so bear with me. I guess what I'm talking about when I bring up Jake Gold is someone who knows music, and the music business, and yet has no desire to be a star, or a performer, himself. And who has never experienced being the center of attention on a regular, daily basis. So this is someone who, as a producer, has been able to look at performers and appreciate them without his own ego entering into it, in the sense of competing with them for attention. So this kind of person makes an ideal judge, I think. Why? Because he's used to focusing outside of himself, on other people - that's his role in the music business. Looking for talent in others. Working behind the scenes, mostly.

JLo, Steven Tyler (or Ellen, for that matter) are performers, and their role in the business is being the star. So they're just a different type.

 

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I'm sorta trying to work this out in my head as I write, so bear with me. I guess what I'm talking about when I bring up Jake Gold is someone who knows music, and the music business, and yet has no desire to be a star, or a performer, himself. And who has never experienced being the center of attention on a regular, daily basis. So this is someone who, as a producer, has been able to look at performers and appreciate them without his own ego entering into it, in the sense of competing with them for attention. So this kind of person makes an ideal judge, I think. Why? Because he's used to focusing outside of himself, on other people - that's his role in the music business. Looking for talent in others.

I agree, it makes total sense. I guess it might be what they were trying to do with Kara, but I think Kara actually wanted to be a star and thought that Idol would make her one. Probably not what the Idol producers wanted from her in the first place. I guess she might still be frustrated that she never made it as a pop star. Or maybe not, but that was the impression she was giving me. As though she was a songwriter and a A & R person by default.

Ouch, sorry Kara.

 

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I think Kara actually wanted to be a star and thought that Idol would make her one.

That's a really good point. I got those vibes from her too.

 

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I agree, it makes total sense. I guess it might be what they were trying to do with Kara, but I think Kara actually wanted to be a star and thought that Idol would make her one. Probably not what the Idol producers wanted from her in the first place. I guess she might still be frustrated that she never made it as a pop star. Or maybe not, but that was the impression she was giving me. As though she was a songwriter and a A & R person by default.

I think that she definitely had a tendency to get carried away with the thrill of being in the spotlight. She sometimes looked like an ass because she didn't seem to be on to herself. It's hard to pin down what her problem was, but you could be right that she felt like Idol was going to make her a star.

I think part of the problem was that she tried too hard. I'm sure that the Kara we saw on the show was not the Kara you would see if you went out for a drink with her. (Yet, I think Simon, Randy, and Paula gave the impression that they'd be basically the same on screen or off.)

 

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I just want to add, yes, I think Kara was supposed to be the "serious, industry" one, to perhaps counter the fact that each year Randy looked more repetitive and seemed limited to a few phrases, and Paula lost whatever cred she had after the Jason Castro thing, which was the beginning of the end for her, I think. But Kara turned out to be such a dufus. That's just the word that comes to mind.

Seriously, she was hardly ever consistent in the personality she presented on the show. I was fairly shocked when she stripped. I liked her up till then. When I heard it was for charity, that made a difference (I guess. But I'd rather she wrote a check instead). She is not someone who makes a consistently good impression. Or, maybe, just a consistent impression. She never registered as a personality. There's no shorthand to describe her on the show. Was she the nice person, the mean one, the serious one, the dumb one, the fair one? None of the above. She was inconsistent and you couldn't pin her down. She acted a different way all the time.

Now the question is, was this her fault? Or was it the show? Is she vague, or did the show keep asking her to try to fit herself into different roles all the time so she was hard to categorize? Remember the time we just talked about, recently, when she suddenly came out with the hugely enthused, affirmative critique of Kris, on Top 2 night? After all, Kris had been there all season. She sometimes said really nice stuff about him, but it was suddenly like she was all fired up. So, to me, it was scripted, a bit. The whole show is somewhat scripted. I wonder if her script was inconsistent.

I remember the look of shock on her face when Danny was eliminated. I thought it was sooo weird. It was genuine, but why be that shocked? After Scream On? Why, because the script said to give him A+++ for effort and the audience would buy that? I think these people really do have a script and most of the time the script works.

 

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There's no shorthand to describe her on the show. Was she the nice person, the mean one, the serious one, the dumb one, the fair one? None of the above. She was inconsistent and you couldn't pin her down. She acted a different way all the time.

Interesting point. She did run the spectrum - sometimes nice, sometimes mean, sometimes irrelevant, sometimes knowledgeable but never really comfortable on stage. Either giving advice, or just within the judges panel.

Re: Kris at Mix fest.. the website says Kris is on at 6:25 'Kris Allen and ??' (Jon Foreman??? Do you think?)

The Wait Is Almost Over: MIXFest 2010 Mix 104.1 Today's Best Variety – Homepage

 

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Kris is opening for The Spill Canvas? WTF? Who are they?

Those times don't sound right. Steven Page is only going to perform for 15 minutes? And Kris is going to perform for an hour and five minutes?

Kris Allen and ??? -- yeah, it could be Jon Foreman.

Here are some artists who are going to be in the Boston area at the same time. It could be any of them, also. Name your poison.

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Ingrid Michaelson is opening for Keane the next night. Maybe she's also going to be one of the surprise guests.

By the way...this is going to be Kris and the whole band, right? Please tell me it's not just Kris and Cale.

Okay, I have to thank girlygirl for spoiling the surprise. She says it's going to be Train.

 

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Kris is opening for The Spill Canvas? WTF? Who are they?

Yeah, I've never heard of them either. and :45 minutes is a long time for a group without any recognizable songs. And Steven Page with :15 minutes is really odd too. I know he's solo and he's doing his new stuff, but he's got 20 years of material.

I'd think if the times are right and Kris is playing for an hour then he's playing with the full band.

Okay, I have to thank girlygirl for spoiling the surprise. She says it's going to be Train.

Really? That seems odd too doesn't it? Wouldn't they want to publicize that ahead of time?

 

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Really? That seems odd too doesn't it? Wouldn't they want to publicize that ahead of time?

I don't know. Mixfest always has one big surprise guest, I think. If they have Goo Goo Dolls, Kris, Steven Page, and Switchfoot, maybe they don't need to advertise Train. (And it may be they're a last minute addition).

Anyhow, girlygirl said someone who works on Mixfest said it was Train. (Maybe, though, it's just Pat Monahan.)

I didn't realize Train is opening for John Mayer. They won't be performing on August 2,, and they'll be more or less in this area. (the Northeast.) As will Mayer, of course. My first thought for the surprise guest was actually John Mayer, for some reason. As absurd as that is.

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Oh, I didn't know they always had a surprise guest. It makes sense that it would be Pat. (or Train)

John Mayer.. hum.. I think I have to google things. lol

 

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I'm not sure they always have a surprise guest. I think I heard someone say it on the radio. I think it's kind of like the Jingle Balls. They add acts at the last minute, don't they?

 

[SleepinIn]

I suppose they could... ??? (I don't really know)

But you'd think if Train or John Mayer were playing it would be something they'd publicize in order to sell more tickets. Unless it's something that they couldn't pin down until the week of the concert in case of other commitments.

 

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I don't think it would be John Mayer, but Train or at least Pat is a possibility, I guess. I don't think the 'surprise' would be someone who's already playing in the concert, though (Jon Foreman), since that wouldn't really be all that surprising.

 

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So you're thinking Pat? I never think radio shows "big surprises" are all that surprising or all that big. (I'm a little cynical about them... lol)

So my guess is Jon. But it could be Pat. I'd give them surprising for that.

 

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But they're saying to arrive by 6 pm to hear the big surprise announcement. And that announcement would be that Jon Foreman is going to sing a song with Kris Allen? Okay, if you say so.

 

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And that announcement would be that Jon Foreman is going to sing a song with Kris Allen? Okay, if you say so.

No that announcement might be something like.. stay til the end and you might win blah, blah, blah.. I don't think Jon's the surprise from the radio station. He might be the Kris surprise though.

 

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Well, you're probably right. I guess that means we have to get a performance of Lifetime instead of another song I probably like a lot better.

The only thing is that when Kris has played shows with artists who have co-written a song with him, or written a song for him, other than Pat Monahan, he has never played a duet with them. Not Joe King, not The Script. Not nobody, not no-how. Only Pat Monahan, and that, I assume, was because Monahan is actually on the recording of The Truth.

It would be good if Pat could join Kris onstage to publicize their recording (and video) of The Truth, since the show is sponsored by an HAC station that's playing The Truth. And he does have a night off, and will be in the area.

On the other hand, it does seem unlikely, and you're probably right, the surprise guest is no doubt Jon Foreman.

By the way -- did you see the comments section (on the Mix website, about The Truth - i.e., the comments are at the same place you go to vote for The Truth)? Someone suggested to the other commenters that they should buy the album version of the song. Since its all Kris, without Pat. I've seen this comment before, on articles about TT.

I wondered, after I read it, if this is one of those Glamberts posing as Kris fans that I've been noticing lately (posting 'concern' about how Jive is handling Kris, etc). I mean, trying to get people to buy the album version so it won't show up in the iTunes sales figures for the song.