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Both struggling, both going for the safe options (they don't make all those remakes and sequels for nothing), while there's a rich "independent" world underneath all the blockbusters on the surface.

Really good point. They do play it safer than they should in both industries. They're afraid of new ideas. When if they expand their boundaries they could get something with the success like Glee.

So I think another problem is commercial radio itself, and how it has changed and become much more mainstream, while the less-mainstream stations seem to have gone under, in a lot of places.

True, plus a lot of big corporations own a lot of the stations. That's so apparent if you look at a lot of station websites (like I do, lol) They're all the same. Right down to the news on the website.

And I know that even fun pop music, without necessairly having artistic merits, can come from a genuine place, and not from the head of an A&R guy, counting his money.

I guess the main problem then is corporate greed and how it affects the music industry as a whole, the music that they promote, the writers that they employ and the stations that play the music. So that's an easy problem to solve.. *gulp*

Cow update for Kris' birthday: $11621.40... the goal being $12500.00
Almost there! To be honest, I am surprised by the fans' response to this. Pleasantly surprised.

Welcome imnotcaroline! I was really thilled to see the response to this too. I loved the idea when I saw it and I know Kris would love it. Plus it's sweet and funny.. kinda like him.

Ironically, Brian Mansfield seems to be the only one preoccupied by the combined sales of this single. The numbers he pulled out for the two tracks (the version on the album and the version with Pat Monahan) after Kris performed on Idol were quite interesting and showed that both were indeed being bought.

I was happy to see that too and I think that the more it's played on the radio the more the sales will increase.

Oh and Hedley's doing a video chat right now

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and they were on CHUM this morning.. but I haven't listened yet.

Oh! And I've only heard one of the new Stars songs so far.. I am behind.. lol

But CHUM played Sweet Thing this morning as new music. Which I consider awesome.

 

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Oh! And I've only heard one of the new Stars songs so far.. I am behind.. lol

But CHUM played Sweet Thing this morning as new music. Which I consider awesome.

Sorry, but I don't know what you're referring to, there, SleepinIn. (Please enlighten poor ol' me).

Top Idol reports that Tiger92 got banned tonight on MJ's blog. Let there dancing in the streets, and free beer for all!!

I was happy to see that too and I think that the more it's played on the radio the more the sales will increase.

Yeah, but what I'm asking is, won't the two versions split the sales and ruin Kris's chances to go gold or platinum, or to chart higher on Billboard? Or are you guys saying it doesn't matter?

 

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Just saw this, so I'll answer it now.

KAB need(s) to do some vlogs.

Yes, Yes they do.

I've heard it three times now, on the radio, and I don't like the inclusion of Pat any more than I ever did. What do you like about it? Can you be more specific? Do you enjoy Pat's vocal in the song?

I generally like Pat's voice, but I wish they had left him off the single altogether and just cut the song down for the radio. That would have been my ultimate preference.

But taking the Kris version of the song out of the equation altogether (which I have to do) and listening to the song as someone who's just hearing it fresh so to speak. I do still really like it. It's a good song IMHO.

Sorry, but I don't know what you're referring to, there, SleepinIn. (Please enlighten poor ol' me).

Sorry sometimes I babble.

Addicted to it!

YouTube - Sweet Thing live at The Drive

What did Tiger do or say? (this time)

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and the Stars

YouTube - STARS - Fixed [Official Music Video]

 

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Well, okay, I agree with you, then (about the Kris-Pat version). I have to agree with you there. And it is a fantastic song. I (almost) literally sing it all the time without realizing I'm singing it, then I suddenly...notice...I'm singing it.

(I added a little something to my last post. About the two versions.)

I have no idea what Tiger did or said because I've started avoiding the threads she posts on. Life's a lot happier that way. So I'm just relying on TI, who posted,

Speaking of sending cows to places they belong, someone with a name kind of like Zebra29 got banned on MJs tonight

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Yeah, but what I'm asking is, won't the two versions split the sales and ruin Kris's chances to go gold or platinum, or to chart higher on Billboard? Or are you guys saying it doesn't matter?

Ultimately, sales are sales right? So if the sales of one version eat into the sales for the other. It might affect Billboard rankings, but if the song is popular then he'd have two versions for sale.. fans of the song might buy both. So it might be lower on the charts, but sell more combined?

I'm sort of talking myself into this opinion... cause I'm really not sure what Billboard does. But I think they'd be classified separately.

 

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Ultimately, sales are sales right? So if the sales of one version eat into the sales for the other. It might affect Billboard rankings, but if the song is popular then he'd have two versions for sale.. fans of the song might buy both. So it might be lower on the charts, but sell more combined?

I'm sort of talking myself into this opinion... cause I'm really not sure what Billboard does. But I think they'd be classified separately.

I guess what I'm asking is, does this bother/worry you? I guess not.

I guess I think that at this point it's more important for Kris to be perceived as having a hit than how much he sells. Does that make sense? In other words, if only one version of TT were available, it might sell a lot of copies. And then it would be reported that Kris has a top-selling single. But with people having a choice of buying the single or the album version, it would split the sales, and then it would be reported that Kris's single was a disappointing seller. Which can hurt his image. And the average person would never know that the single didn't sell as well simply because there were two verisons available. Not because the song was unpopular. Get it?

 

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I guess what I'm asking is, does this bother/worry you? I guess not.

My answer is.. not really? This is where being a fan of Canadian music comes in handy. It's really rare for it to take over Billboard (but when it does.. it does).

If the Truth gets to the point on the charts that it's making a significant impact on Billboard and it's deprived of a top 10 hit then I'll get annoyed, but really until then I can't worry too much about it. Plus there are a lot of songs that have multiple versions. Usually the radio edit is the one that people will buy first if they're introduced to the song that way, that's what they want to hear. So I think if it's making an impact on radio we'd see the radio version's sales increase.

 

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Okay, I added more to what I originally wrote, above. Right now I believe the album version is selling more that the single, actually. Or it was when Brian Mansfield last published the numbers.

What you said about there often being a radio edit, that's true, but I understand sometimes the two versions are counted as one, when sales are figured. I thought I read that somewhere. But maybe it's because this is a completely different version with a new singer, it can't be counted together with the other version. I'm just guessing, here, obviously.

 

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Hedly's doing their MMVA soundcheck

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They must be singing Perfect.

Okay, I added more to what I originally wrote, above. Right now I beleive the album version is selling more that the single, actually. Or it was when Brian mansfield last published the numbers.

That makes sense too, because people are only starting to hear the Truth on the radio. So if it goes up the charts, we might see that switch around.. maybe.. lol

On the other hand.. The radio version isn't really marked that it's featuring Pat, so maybe it will just lead to an increase in the album versions sales. (OMG my head hurts)

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What you said about there often being a radio edit, that's true, but I understand sometimes the two versions are counted as one, when sales are figured. I thought I read that somewhere. But maybe it's because this is a completely different version with a new singer, it can't be counted together with the other version. I'm just guessing, here, obviously.

Yeah, I don't really know either. I think Adam's WWFM remix was counted with WWFM but I can't be positive, and it looks like from what Brian mentioned that TT is separate. I don't know the rules and regs.

Adam is getting fire at the MMVA's

 

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Okay, I'll move on.

Apparently all the Tiger "hubbub" (quoting TI) was deleted. But "not without some sadness." (lol). So I have no idea what went down. It makes me feel very good. I hope she (Tiger) never saw that coming. (Mean people suck.)

Jacob has a 'stash. I don't think he looks good with facial hair. I don't know why.

When are the MMVAs? Tonight?

Adam is getting fire at the MMVA's

I think I just got the meaning of this. At first I thought you meant that he was "coming under fire" for something. Adam's appeal totally escapes me. It all seems like it's been done before and I didn't even like it the first time.

ETA: How about the Idol tour tix selling for 20 bucks, and the shows moving into smaller venues (in some places, supposedly)? I have a question. Now that the dust has settled. Who or what do you think was responsible for that season we just saw, and this Top 10 that doesn't interest people in going to see them? Was it the judges' choices for Top 24? Was it the voters not voting for the right people? Would the Top 36 format from season 8 have worked better in season 9 than a Top 24 format?

ETA: I don't want to see any pics of Adam and Hedley together. If there are any, I'm not looking at them.

I can't explain this irrational response, except that I'm mad a Much Music ignoring Kris, I guess.

Did you see the video of Jason Castro singing his song in front of thousands of Norwegians? I guess it's a #1 hit, there. I always thought it had potential.

YouTube - Jason Castro

Someone on MJ's blog wrote:

That’s such a likable song….but I wonder why a good songwriter (like Jason) doesn’t give the song to a “singer” to sing and make a hit of the song….I wonder how that song would sound if let’s say a Jordin Sparks had that song? Because I heard some off-key notes in the beginning….but a lot of these idols are great song writers they should let others sing their song….but I feel that way about a lot of songwriters, like Dylan.
It sounds like it could come off a sountrack like 500 Days….
He looks like the right person to be in Norway

Just one song?

I didn't know there really were this many assholes in the world. Thank you, MJ's blog, for enlightening me.

 

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Jacob has a 'stash. I don't think he looks good with facial hair. I don't know why.

Someone on the Hedley video chat told him to shave his stache perv. He laughed. Said he'd shave it in stages on the MMVA's. (MMVA's are Sunday but soundcheck rehearsals are tonight and tommorrow).. gonna rain tommorrow. eep! Hedley blew the power on the street when they played. They had a blackout on Queen St. lol.

I think I just got the meaning of this.

Yes, actual fire.. not censure.

ETA: I don't want to see any pics of Adam and Hedley together. If there are any, I'm not looking at them.

LMAO! I'm totally going looking for them. You know I am. I won't traumatize you though.

I have a question. Now that the dust has settled. Who or what do you think was responsible for that season we just saw, and this Top 10 that doesn't interest people in going to see them? Was it the judges' choices for Top 24? Was it the voters not voting for the right people? Would the Top 36 format from season 8 have worked better in season 9 than a Top 24 format?

I think a variety of reasons but number one started right after Kris was made the AI and they didn't rehire Paula. That made every question they asked Kris first all about the judges. Then Simon wasn't coming back. Again it's about the judges. With the focus on the judges, they cut back on the song budget.. or seemed to. With repeat songs, and uninspired song choices. (I don't know who's fault that was.. the singers or the production)

Then you have the singers. Who actually are talented people in real life, but all of whom seemed lost on the big stage -- I don't know why.

The main focus should have been the singers all season, but I felt they got shoved aside for guest judges, the arrival of Ellen, the leaving of Simon, the absence of Paula. They seemed like an afterthought, and since the show treated them that way, I think the audience did too.

Then there is the contestants utter failure to take a risk. (the singing in tune thing..I could go on and on )

I didn't know there really were this many assholes in the world. Thank you, MJ's blog, for enlightening me.

a new one every day. *shakes head*

I love that song, and I love the way Jason sings it. And Damn the Norwiegians show UP!. Awesome.

Hedley interview on CHUM (under Artist Interviews) They talk about buying a goat for a family in Africa. Goats.. cows..

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And Damn the Norwiegians show UP!.

Haha. Good point.

I have a different take on it. (The show.) First, the audition turnout was quite low. I'm not sure why. In some cities only, like 7000 to 8000 people showed up, compared to the usual 15,000.

Besides that, I thought there was a promising Top 100, but many of the people who seemed good didn't make the cut. I thought most of the talented people were guys, actually. I don't think TPTB wanted a guy. And I don't think they necessarily wanted Kris Allen #2. Which some of these guys did seem to be, in a way.

The other thing that killed it, as I saw it, was the gender split. In order to get 12 guys and 12 girls, they had to forego just choosing 24 interesting singers. Why was Paige there? Aaron? Tim? (Well, he was a sub.) Lacey? Even Smug Teen Witch. I'm absolutely sure that out of the thousands of people who auditioned, these were not the best. But somehow I think they were stuck with an uninteresting mix because they were trying so hard to find a good "guys group" and a good "girls group." Maybe in other years, this worked, but this year, when they came down to Top 12, they were just a very mis-fitted group.

I felt that the judges/TPTB were trying to choose types, rather than people. Last season, I didn't get that impression.

Who knows? Maybe Paula really did help choose better people.

I really think a major problem, though, was Paula's departure - not because Paula is so irreplaceable but because her replacement wasn't on board for the beginning of the show, and that caused a kind of mixed-up-ness. All these guest judges...how good could that have been? What impact did it have on the process?

I also thought it was supposed to be all about Crystal. I think they thought she was the big talent they had discovered this year. But something went awry behind the scenes, and even though Crystal was pretty consistently good, they decided they had made a mistake.

ETA: Note Jacob's red-yellow-green African tank top.

 

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I have a different take on it. (The show.) First, the audition turnout was quite low. I'm not sure why. In some cities only, like 7000 to 8000 people showed up, compared to the usual 15,000.

That's true, plus didn't they seem to go to fewer cities to audition? Like 5 cities. I remember being surprised by that. Although maybe they always went to 5 cities.

And a lot of other good points. I agree I think having Ellen show up later hurt them, and the typecasting too. Plus they focued on people that didn't make the show.. but seemed like they were better than the ones that did. Why spend so much time on Angela Martin without ever showing why they didn't pick her? You're awesome and I'll help you get a record deal.. and you don't make the show. If you wanted her to get a record deal.. PICK HER FOR THE SHOW.

Plus the "you don't have to win to be the winner" thing. I think that hurt them too. I love Adam, and think he's great - but he didn't actually win. Don't pretend that he did. When you say votes don't matter - then people don't vote.

Ultimately the votes really don't matter in the real world.. but for the show to say that they don't matter.. well, that hurts it too.

I also thought it was supposed to be all about Crystal. I think they thought she was the big talent they had discovered this year. But something went awry behind the scenes, and even though Crystal was pretty consistently good, they decided they had made a mistake.

This. Everyone one else fell apart basically and Lee sold more. Let the panic ensue.

 

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Plus the "you don't have to win to be the winner" thing. I think that hurt them too. I love Adam, and think he's great - but he didn't actually win. Don't pretend that he did. When you say votes don't matter - then people don't vote.

Yes! I forgot about this. The viewers aren't stupid. Nor do they want to be treated like they're stupid. And of course, they don't want to be told, after they spent four hours voting, that the show knows best, and they were mistaken. Believe me, those people were all watching this year, and they are not stupid.

(And they don't really show up on the blogs. The blog people are mostly the "can't see the forest for the trees" type. So smart they're dumb. Well, that's how I sometimes see it, anyhow.)

Anyhow, I think for a show like this to work, it has to be credible. Have some whiff of authenticity. When it tries to re-write history, people feel insulted. Not just Kris Allen fans, but anyone with a brain.

I think when you actually get the impression that the show is trying to bury (or ignore) a current winner, who has a million-selling hit song playing on the radio everywhere, then something is very screwed up about that. Very screwed up.

ETA: Are you reading the Kris concert thread? Kris and band playing with The Fray tonight up in Murphys, CA. Kris and band got a standing o after their set. Seemed like a long set, too.

 

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Someone posted this on twitter from last season. Thought you guys would like it.

American Idol: Kris Allen, So Hot Right Now

CMT radio interview with Kris

CMT Radio Live with Cody Alan

Kiss FM interview with Adam.. if you want it... (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
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Hedley's MMVA soundcheck rehearsal last night (no Adam Lambert present)

YouTube - Hedley - Perfect MMVA 2010 Live Rehearsal

ETA: Are you reading the Kris concert thread? Kris and band playing with The Fray tonight up in Murphys, CA. Kris and band got a standing o after their set. Seemed like a long set, too.

I read it today. Kris and the band are so good at tailoring their shows to their audiences. But, yeah, it was a long set - I thought so too. Good reaction too.

 

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Brooke White:

Are the MMVAs taking place outside on Queen and John this year? Or do I have my Toronto geography screwed up?

Someone posted this on twitter from last season. Thought you guys would like it.

Thanks! I seem to remember that. I liked reading it again.

 

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Aw, Brooke. I love that Kris and Brooke switched shirts and wore them. Nice and that is one cute shirt.

Yep, Queen and John for MMVA's.

They've already pretty much shut down the streets.

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Justin is soundchecking. LMAO

This is the main stage this year

YouTube - Much Music Video Awards stage 2010

It's music madness in TO right now too, with the MMVA's, and then they've shut Yonge and Dundas square down for NXNE and Iggy Pop

Backstage before #iggyandthestooges take the stage | TweetPhoto

and the Island had Broken Social Scene and Pavement Perfect day! Thanks for not raining on us, world! on Twitpic

and Adam is at the Whambam thing (no picture.. just for you)

Missaddicted did you get the free Stars song from itunes Canada via Facebook?

There's also a live broadcast tonight with the Stars from California

http://www.theBackStagePassTV.com/

 

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Yep, Queen and John for MMVA's.

I was right? Yay.

Seeing Hedley out there reminded me of the time they were outside, on MOD, trying to catch eggs. Remember that?

Okay, I'll post the Adam picture.

MJ says:

Tonight Adam Lambert is in Toronto, ON headlining the KISS 92.5 WHAM BAM 2010 radio event at Molson Canadian Amphitheatre with attendance of approximately 16,000. The event started at 3:15 pm EDT and Adam is set to go on stage at 9:00 pm EDT.

On the other hand, for the Kiss concert, Boston, she wrote:

Kris Allen closes the KISS 108 concert tonight at around 9 pm.
I’ll be posting Videos and stuff here later. You can watch the concert live HERE.

I looked it up. Oh, I know Adam was advertised as the headliner for Wham Bam, but Kiss108 called Kris (to his face, even) the headliner of their own concert, and yet there was the stubborn refusal (even by MJ) to accept that. Sorry, I'm an elephant.

PS-- I couldn't find the CMT interview with Kris.

 

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Yep, you was right.

The CMT interview is right under the join the community thing on the top right. Twitter, facebook icons..

CMT Radio Live with Cody Alan It was cute.

The headlining thing. Eh, well. I can't get upset about it. Just can't. Kris did headline it.. if others want to call it closing.. then whatever. He went last... that's headlining. Period. The end.

Whambam is different, the only one in that line up that's had as big a hit is Kardinal Offishal. Everyone else is really starting out.

 

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Who is Kardinal Offishal and what does he do (or is it a band)?

I don't get upset about the headlining thing at all. I was just remarking on how MJ bolded the letters and mentioned the crowd size and all. I thought it was kind of ironic. MJ is pretty fair, and likes Kris, but she doesn't really ever fantard over him as she seems to over Adam at times. And she did say to me she thought he shouldn't have won (she said Adam should have won. Same thing).

She also mentioned the music she likes to listen to, and she said Kris is actually much more in line with the kind of music she likes. While Adam is not.

The time Kris was #1 on VH1, she made a point of saying something like, "Congratulations to his fans for organizing the vote to get him to #1". Because she saw something on twitter about fans encouraging other fans to vote. People took exception to what she said, because it really seemed as if she was saying Kris couldn't get voted to #1 without some big concerted effort - which was hilarious in light of how Adam's fans organize their voting. Yet she didn't mention anything like that when Adam was #1.

I'm not saying she does this stuff on purpose all the time. But I'm sure you've noticed she rarely gets very effusive about Kris.

I don't get mad about this stuff, I just feel the need to mention it, I guess.