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Please cheer me up. I've been reading gloom like this from Kris fans on MJ's.

Kirsten said that it doesn’t seem like Kris is in on the decision making process, and while I don’t know if that’s true, it’s not his decision on how many singles will be released. If this second single doesn’t do well, I’d be willing to bet that there won’t be a third, or at least not one that Jive will actually support.

LLWD has lasted more than 6 months. How could we have a different single for summer, which is a month away, unless TT doesn’t do well or is not picked up by radio. If that were to happen, there probably would not even be a 3rd single. I’m guessing I don’t understand how that would work.
I’m defintely going to support Kris an TT (although I’m still in denial it was the pick), but I can’t help but be disappointed. I just don’t get the choice at all.
 
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I don't think you guys like my Eagles scenario (or my earlier Fray scenario). I don't know if I do, either.
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Eagles no. The Fray yes.

Someone on that blog keeps saying (she thinks) the BNL are the "mystery" headliner, even though this makes no sense, since KAB were already slated to open for them on a few dates even back when Andrew gave his clues. No mystery there. Besides, they're not 'huge'.
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No. It's not them. They're only huge in Canada. And even then.. they are.. well.. I love them dearly.. but they are not "cool". They would tell you this themselves. Plus trust me they never beat up Mayer. Maybe Steven Page would've but the other guys.. not.

Buble I could see beating up Mayer. Michael's fiesty.

This BNL stuff plus K Urban plus TT make me feel Jive is trying to somehow make Kris appeal to a less hip or young demographic than he currently seems to be appealing to! Shouldn't they be scheduling some shows where he opens for (or shares the stage with) bands around his own age? Shouldn't he be playing to some younger audiences (like at some of his radio gigs), or college audiences? This is really beginning to bother me.
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You know when you look at the people that Kris is opening for, the one thing that sticks out for me isn't the age of the performer. It's that all of the people that he's opening for are musicians. Keith is known as an amazing guitarist, BNL's are all multi-instrumentalists, Even Ryan Tedder is a fantastic songwriter of some renown. I think that's the common thread. I think Kris will have opportunities to play with younger artists.. but seriously Boys Like Girls or Keith Urban? Who would you choose? I'm not particularly a fan of either but I know which one I'd be paying more money to see. And if Keith Urban then takes said performance and posts it on his webiste? And country stations take said performance and even play it on the air??? (which they did, btw) There is much more cache in the world for opening for Urban than opening for BLG (unless you are 12) and I think they want a wider range of fans for Kris. So I can't fault them for that at all. Kris is doing that Boston concert too afterall and a million radio gigs.

Thank god Beiber isn't shirtless in the waterpark. :)

More reasons for me to hate Tim Urban.
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The loves songs to Adam??? Or stealing Jim's love? lmao.

and that Act two Vegas Seven article was so good, I want to hug it.

Oh and I probably won't watch AI live tomorrow.
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I don't know why I'm watching it live, it's so bad, LMAO. And have fun with Hanson!
 
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So, SleepinIn, I've just been watching some videos of Hedley live and thinking about how much more control Jacob likely has over his career than Kris has. Jacob doesn't have to release songs other people wrote, for example, when there are better songs he's written. Kind of makes you think.
 
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Please cheer me up. I've been reading gloom like this from Kris fans on MJ's.
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Relax grasshopper. Kris is like every other artist signed to a major label. Labels don't trust the talent, it's a familiar refrain from musicians everywhere. I really think TT will do fine. It's not the version I wanted, and it's not the song you wanted. But to the outside world it's a good song, from two people who are currently sitting at the top of the charts. People quote Allison's situation but Allison isn't Kris. I've always thought she would have a hard time. For me she's just too young for her voice right now. Time is on her side.

ETA: Jacob's had to compromise too. I remember a MOD interview where he talked about the songs on the CD he skips he didn't say which one -- but he did say they were there. And I know he wanted to release the Sweater song as a single which didn't happen.

Winning has it's own burden's but, it also has it's own rewards.

The biggest blessing Jacob had was time really. Kris never really had a chance to breathe since the finale -- Adam and Allison too. Can you imagine how the album would have changed if the band he's with now was involved with the writing process?
 
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The loves songs to Adam??? Or stealing Jim's love? lmao.
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Well, remember when I said that when Adam mentored the idols they would be mentioning it weeks later? I may be dumb but I'm not stupid. The gift that keeps on giving, my friends.

Thank god Beiber isn't shirtless in the waterpark. :icon_smile:
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Haha. Not only is he not shirtless, but -- plaid flannel, in the Bahamas.

As for what you wrote -- country music stations playing Kris Allen's duet with Keith Urban. I mean, it's flattering, but I'm mainly concerned Kris doesn't end up without the fans he started with.

I said I was glad he's appearing with Keith Urban. It's great. It's kind of like Hedley opening for Bon Jovi. But Hedley didn't make a career of opening for Bon Jovi, and Bon Jovi fans could never have been responsible for Hedley's success. And Keith's fans won't be the ones who make Kris a hit, either. It's all those kids who knew all the words to LLWD and sang along to it. Those are the ones who are going to buy the singles, I think.

I think Keith Urban is someone so cool he can't help but make Kris look good by association. What I'm saying is that if we start to get a pattern where Kris only opens for acts who were somewhat trendy ten years ago, he won't be courting those young fans. Why do I think that's important? I don't know. I just think so. The Hedley model, I guess.

Remember back when Kris was writing and demoing with Joe King in Virginia, and he went to the Fray concert, and he was spotted and people screamed like he was "a Beatle"? That's a very different audience than the BNL's audience or even Keith Urban's. They're appreciative but fickle. If he doesn't play to that audience now, he'll lose them (probably).

What I'm thinking is that Jive wants him to be an HAC artist and not a Pop artist, when I think he can easily be both.
 
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Well, remember when I said that when Adam mentored the idols they would be mentioning it weeks later? I may be dumb but I'm not stupid. The gift that keeps on giving, my friends.
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Yes, it is the gift that keeps giving.. you're right. But there's not a lot you can do about it. It's hard not to know that the show has been pushing Adam like they've never pushed anyone before.

And Keith's fans won't be the ones who make Kris a hit, either. It's all those kids who knew all the words to LLWD and sang along to it. Those are the ones who are going to buy the singles, I think.
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True, true. Kris's fan base is young though on average, for an Idol fanbase. You just have to look at the pictures from DC or the Bahamas, even Detroit. Opening for Keith Urban I think is like the Bon Jovi thing.. something cool that you can put on your touring resume, I think opening for acts like these helps gets you other opportunities with other acts.

I think you're right that Kris's fanbase is similar to Hedley, and it really is unfortunate that there isn't an MOD like here, because you're right it's a great way to get glimpses them than you would otherwise. Kris does have that MTV thing coming up and that Nickelodeon show. Those are geared towards younger audiences. (maybe too young??)

Ha! You can't win. lol.

Twitter is still full of people linking to the Boys of Summer video clip.
 
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I think you're right that Kris's fanbase is similar to Hedley, and it really is unfortunate that there isn't an MOD like here, because you're right it's a great way to get glimpses them than you would otherwise. Kris does have that MTV thing coming up and that Nickelodeon show. Those are geared towards youger audiences. (maybe too young??)
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Ha. It's also unfortunate that even though there's still an MOD in Canada, nobody has asked Kris to appear on it. Or added his video.
 
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Yeah, well. MOD chose Adam. They suck. What can you do? The only time they played the video was when Adam requested it.

I think it was part of the deal myself. Or just a show of support for Adam. So that Adam would come visit and .. then MMVA's.

Kris is clumbing uphill in Canada. I'm still voting for him, but Jive isn't doing much for him here. Archie had more of a presence to be honest.

If you want to register to vote at CHUM.. www.chumfm.com :)

I should start voting for Train too.. give them a reason to add the song early, if they don't like Kris.
 
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The other thing about opening for people, to me, is that if Kris opens for The Fray, it kind of seems like they're almost equals, but when he opens for Keith Urban, he's just a kid opening for Keith Urban. Not that I'm complaining. I'm all for the Keith Urban stuff. Matter of fact, when they sang that duet, I got all choked up. Yeah, I admit it. Keith has been great to Kris, giving him an encore, tweeting the video of their duet, and also giving Kris big billing on the posters (which Keith must have to approve). But it just felt to me like Kris was making it, seeing him sing with Keith.
 
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I think it was part of the deal myself. Or just a show of support for Adam. So that Adam would come visit and .. then MMVA's.
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Oh, I do think a deal cannot be ruled out. I thought so right from the start. I know I'm totally biased, but I don't think that enters into my perceptions of this.

It seemed to be that they had to recoup the money spent on that video (FYE) someplace, when it was pulled from VH1, etc. Was Canadian youth clamoring for that song or that video -- or Adam? I don't really think so. I think they could have been sold Kris just as easily, if his video played on MOD, and he visited Toronto. I'd say 19 made that happen for Adam.

I don't understand it all, but CHUM and Much are owned by CTV (actually CTV globemedia), and American Idol is on CTV. I don't know what the connections are exactly but they must be there.
 
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The other thing about opening for people, to me, is that if Kris opens for The Fray, it kind of seems like they're almost equals, but when he opens for Keith Urban, he's just a kid opening for Keith Urban
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True, true. That's okay though too. Kids grow up, when you think that like 2 years ago Kris was selling shoes and playing side gigs. It's
A-MAY-ZING. Keith wouldn't have let Kris open for him if he didn't like him, so for me it's a big vote of confidence and as someone who's not really a country fan it makes me want to hug Keith.. and buy his CD.. if I knew what it was called, or any of his music aside from Kiss a Girl. They really do sound great together too. I'd buy that.

Also for me, for you.. at Keith's concerts it was the crowd. They really loved him. And I kinda loved the fight over the set-list.

I was reading the Keith Urban fan site and someone there said that Kris came into the restaurant where they had their post show gathering and the table stood up and applauded him. Which is awesome.

These opening gigs are really the start of Kris's concerts when you think of it, he's really done a lot of radio gigs, but he's just starting his concert journey so it's only going to get better. :)
 
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I think they could have been sold Kris just as easily, if his video played on MOD, and he visited Toronto. I'd say 19 made that happen for Adam.
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Yep, 19 or RCA. They pushed hard for it. Ke$ha too. She did the same trip that Adam did, one week later. So I don't know if they pushed Adam and promised Ke$ha or the other way round. I'd take Adam over ke$ha. lol.

I don't understand it all, but CHUM and Much are owned by CTV (actually CTV globemedia), and American Idol is on CTV. I don't know what the connections are exactly but they must be there.
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It's one big company.

CTV Globemedia. Owns CHUM (radio station in Toronto -- as well as a chain country wide), CTV, Much Music, Much More Music, Musique Plus, (other music channels in the like - LOUD, etc. that don't get a lot of viewers) they also own controlling interests in MTV Canada. It's a monopoly really.

From their website..

CTVglobemedia Inc. is Canada's premier multimedia company with ownership of CTV, Canada’s #1 television network, and The Globe and Mail, Canada’s #1 national newspaper. CTV Inc. owns and operates 27 conventional stations across the country, with interests in 30 specialty channels, including Canada’s #1 specialty channel, TSN. CTVglobemedia also owns the CHUM Radio Division, which operates 34 radio stations throughout Canada, including CHUM FM, Canada’s # 1 FM station.

So conquer the heart of one, you get the heart of all. Adam when he was in Toronto did interviews with pretty much all of the channels in the group (not the sports ones.. lol) . Not an accident.

Jive was asleep at the wheel.
 
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Jive was asleep at the wheel.
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Maybe we shouldn't blame Jive. Or give credit to RCA. It could just be 19 and American Idol. After all, they seem to love Adam, and they produce American Idol, a highly rated show on CTV...
 
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