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The Archie situation makes me feel that they are going to go ahead with this version. Argh.

Yeah, but the fans were right. The single they wanted did better than the one Jive wanted.

But anyhow, let's not lose heart over it.

I've just been reading over at the blog. I hate the poster who has the word "gangreen" in their name, followed by some numbers, whatever they are.
 

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I do think that Jive was probably really surprised by the reaction to the Truth 2.0. Especially considering the lack of activity on Kris's official site prior to their announcement. I mean there are over 500 comments on the song.

They should have asked people's opinions on other things before this, I guess!

missaddicted is right. The labels have no faith in the songwriting abilities of their Idol artists (yet who knows better what suits them, than the arists themselves?). It doesn't even matter how good they are. Of course, Jive probably started setting up their plans the moment Kris won -- it's possible they already intended to sign him before that. Long before he co-wrote any songs, and long before he recorded anything. They were probably buying songs even then. If they weren't already lying around. Ha. The songs, I mean.

But when they come across a singer-songwriter who as real skills, to seemingly ignore those skills where radio is concerned...that's so conservative.

What I don't like about this song is that it isn't really a Kris song (somehow, LLWD was -- even though it wasn't. It was not a song Kris would write, but one he would like). I've never been eager to listen to him sing it. Even live. And that's really odd. I literally love listening to anything he does live.

The thing I find bad about the song is that the chorus never seems like it has anything to do with the verse. It's like it's a whole different song, all of a sudden. There's no flow. Musically. Emotionally. It doesn't build. It's just Kris singing in a somewhat overwrought way, about something or other, love, or whatever -- elephants -- then, suddenly, there is this unexpected chorus where he's singing really loud, like he's hysterical, out of nowhere. It's such a bad transition.

It's not his style, at all.

Whatever.
 
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UGH!

I hate you Jive.

About the date: From what I understand, songs have different impact dates on HAC and on Pop radio. So, maybe that's why only the HAC impact date was written on the promo card. But then, why didn't they also write the Pop impact date? I hope there's one.

About Archie: ross, where did you read about Archie's third single? I was pretty sure that there was only one song released after Crush, and it was A Little Too Not Over You. Was it the "fan" or the "label" choice? He performed Touch My Hand on AI, but that song was never released as a single.

For people who don't watch Kris on YouTube (i. e., most people), and people who watch AI but don't listen to radio and know nothing about LLWD (i. e., more people than you'd suppose), this sappy song that doesn't suit his vocal abilities all that well will be his one chance to make a big impact as a performer, on TV this season. That's a shame, to me. Really. It may be a huge hit (I don't see how, but who knows?), but it will not showcase the Kris people should be dying to buy concert tickets to see this summer.

I agree 100% with that.

The thing I find bad about the song is that the chorus never seems like it has anything to do with the verse. It's like it's a whole different song, all of a sudden. There's no flow. Musically. Emotionally. It doesn't build. It's just Kris singing in a somewhat overwrought way, about something or other, love, or whatever -- elephants -- then, suddenly, there is this unexpected chorus where he's singing really loud, like he's hysterical, out of nowhere. It's such a bad transition.

And with this as well.

I hope you're right SleepinIn, but call me pessimistic, I don't think "hit" when I think of The Truth. It's honestly the feeling that I have. Not a hit like LLWD anyway. I hope I'm wrong for Kris's sake.
 

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I hope you're right SleepinIn, but call me pessimistic, I don't think "hit" when I think of The Truth. It's honestly the feeling that I have. Not a hit like LLWD anyway. I hope I'm wrong for Kris's sake.

I hope I'm right too. :) But, you never really know how these things will work out.

Music you think will be huge never sees the light of day and music, that you hate (I don't hate TT) is all over the place. There are so many variables to any songs release.

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Druiddude (from glee)

Which one is he? I don't follow the people from Glee!

The thing about the music I "hate" that's on the radio right now is that it's the kind of heart-less, stupid dance songs about getting drunk or whatever with repetitive beats that drive you crazy. The Truth should in fact be right in the wheelhouse of music that I like. Except that I don't like it. But it has nothing to do with it's genre, it's just that I think the song has several faults (like over-production, weird transitions, Kris's voice which I honestly don't think sounds good on it, un-original arrangement, etc) that just bother me to no end. I should in theory like it. It kind of sounds like some Coldplay songs when you think about it. I just don't like the execution. The lyrics are the only positive point that I see in that song.
 

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The Truth...

I don't like the lyrics. In fact, I like the music better than the lyrics.

The title of the song is going to be used in every review, of course. As in, "The Truth about Kris Allen's Second Single." Write the headlines yourselves. (I'm not saying they'll be bad reviews. Good or bad, they'll use the title.)

I can't actually figure out why I don't like the song, other than that abrupt transition that I guess is supposed to sound exciting -- where Kris and the band come crashing in. Other than that, it just leaves me pretty cold. And I think it's so sappy compared to what Kris is all about.

Of course, it's been in my head all day. So I guess it's catchy. I just think it's crap.
 

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I don't get it. I guess it wasn't an official third single. You know way more than me about this stuff, missaddicted, so I'm sure you're right.

Seems you're right actually. I guess they just didn't really push it on the radio. But he performed it on AI. I actually like Touch My Hand better than A Little Too Not Over You and I had the impression the fans were not happy about ALTNOY being released as a single. Oh, well, whatever, it's in the past now.
 

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Seems you're right actually.

Are you sure? I'm not. How did you check? I hope I'm right because I used the fact to beat gangreen over the head when he/she suggested Kris would get "two singles like Archie," then not get a second album, and have to do a Christmas album. "lol". I couldn't fan-war with her/him/it, so I thought correcting was a good way to be annoying. ;-)

Okay, brace yourselves. I'm going to go and listen to the The-Truth-By-Kris-Allen-Featuring-Pat-Monahan for the second time all the way through.
 
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Um, sorry, why is Pat Monahan on that song?????

TT is over, and now LLWD is playing. It's like a palate-cleansing. It's relaxed and doesn't sound so loud and (missadicted's word) overwrought. Yeah, I still love it.

Sorry. Still do not want TT. I guess I can't make myself like something I never liked. If they soften the arrangement and make it sound a lot less loud and -- I don't know why I keep thinking of this word -- vulgar -- i.e. somehow more. . . casual, maybe? -- I might like it better.

But I don't know. I like the verse (if that's what you call it) okay, but I hate the elephant and the avalanche. I like parts of it, a lot, but I seriously think the song needs to be re-written. (I wish Kris could do that, actually.) And then they gave a part that I think I used to like (its been a while since I listened to Kris's version) to another person to sing. A person whose voice I don't like.
 
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I love the lyrics for the Truth,

"Stop pretending it's not ending...and let the end begin"
"Honesty is honestly the hardest thing right now"
"While the walls are crumbling I'm still holding up the roof"

Not so sure about the elephant. lol.

Although if they put the elephant in the video ...
 

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"Stop pretending it's not ending...and let the end begin"
"Honesty is honestly the hardest thing right now"
"While the walls are crumbling I'm still holding up the roof"

See, I actually don't like those lyrics. I do like the music that goes along with them, at that point.
 

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People there are reading my mind.

Ugh. Performing this on the AI stage will be a downer. I REALLY hoped it would be an upbeat song that would get people’s attention. (you know all the people who watch AI who haven’t heard from him in a year…I don’t count the other appearance…it wasn’t his music)
Doing “Alright With Me” on the finale would have helped Kris to stand out more, and it would have served as a big contrast to the quieter “Let it Be” he performed earlier in the year. Having Kris perform “Let it Be” and “The Truth” on his only two appearances on the show this year makes him seem like he can only sing slow, serious songs. He’s so much more than that.
 

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Eenie Meenie is like the worst song ever. I heard it once on the radio (not the station I usually listen to, the English HAC station that was playing LLDW at one point... hearing Eenie Meenie convinced me to stay the hell away from them) and I needed serious brain bleach after that.

Well, I'm not sure about Archie. I was pretty convinced that he only got two singles, but the links you posted seem to say otherwise. But even if they released Touch My Hand as the third single, it never got any airplay or almost none, that I'm sure of.

I do actually like the lyrics to The Truth, especially the ones that SleepinIn posted, I think they flow together well. I even like the elephant and the avalanche. It's all the rest that I don't like.
 

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Well, I'm not sure about Archie. I was pretty convinced that he only got two singles, but the links you posted seem to say otherwise. But even if they released Touch My Hand as the third single, it never got any airplay or almost none, that I'm sure of.

Someone on Top Idol wrote something about it -- in the Kris/Truth thread. It's nearer the bottom. They got the info from Archie's Wikipedia article, though I couldn't find it, myself.

I really don't like any of the lyrics to the song. I especially hate the rhymes. "Roof" and "truth" don't rhyme, for ex.