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Yeah, I like the Billboard emphasis too. Take from that article what people will, they will still see that, yes, during the show Kris sold more singles than Adam. And I like both of them but Kris doesn't get enough credit in print. I mean people liked and voted for him AND bought his music. That says something.

But you're right too.. the only way to build something solid is from the ground up, it might take longer but it will have a solid foundation. I think when we talked about Hedley or even David Cook, they are out there touring and building a fanbase brick by brick. College shows, radio promo, whatever gathers the fans, I think Kris would be well served to got that route. Idol is a great launch point but there is still a lot of hard work ahead.


Someone -- somewhere -- said that Ellen might not air until the 24th so keep that in mind if you're setting DVR's or VCR's.

This is what I took out of the snarky OC review

There are so many potential singles on each disc, it must’ve been nearly impossible for the teams behind these nascent pop stars to determine which tune to plug first.
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Awesome. Thanks dude. :)

and the KRIM videos are full of WIN. They really do need a show together. I'd watch it. Maybe Jim could direct a video of Kris's someday.. how awesome would that be? I need that to happen.. lol.

When you look at how relaxed Kris is in that video it's hysterical.. He's practically asleep...and yet the snark is alive - it's awesome. :)

Kris reading his own tweets.. hilarious. I love the snark.

Kris's NFL's picks and VH1 thing-y
http://www.ainow.org/index.php/tidbits/1389-kris-allens-nfl-picks-for-this-weekend

Video from the Elle shoot.. new? not new? I don't know.. lol

http://ow.ly/E8i3

TWOP has some links up to some magazine articles Kris is in too, People's holiday special (holy cute-ness) Kris and Katy are so cute they are only saved by the snark. US Weekly, and Entertainment Weekly.
 
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Someone -- somewhere -- said that Ellen might not air until the 24th so keep that in mind if you're setting DVR's or VCR's.
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Well, I guess that would be better since we don't want the Kris Drizzle to get lost in the Adam Storm on the 23rd.
 
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[And ross is sitting here wondering what he's going to do with his two copies of Kris Allen. The CD.]
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You can lend your second copy to your friends and ask them to buy it if they like it! And I call it KATR. There's DCTR, and now there's KATR. Still better than Translate Your Soul.

But you're right too.. the only way to build something solid is from the ground up, it might take longer but it will have a solid foundation. I think when we talked about Hedley or even David Cook, they are out there touring and building a fanbase brick by brick. College shows, radio promo, whatever gathers the fans, I think Kris would be well served to got that route. Idol is a great launch point but there is still a lot of hard work ahead.
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I agree with both of you: a solid foundation is the key to long-term success. Celebrity is fleeting. You can only be the flavor of the moment for so long. I believe the real work is really just starting for Kris!

Thanks for the Ellen info, I'll check that out!
 
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But you're right too.. the only way to build something solid is from the ground up, it might take longer but it will have a solid foundation. I think when we talked about Hedley or even David Cook, they are out there touring and building a fanbase brick by brick. College shows, radio promo, whatever gathers the fans, I think Kris would be well served to got that route. Idol is a great launch point but there is still a lot of hard work ahead.
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Exactly! (lol. The Kris word.) Hedley is a great example because they do a show that people like and it creates word of mouth. Seeing them live, and feeling a connection to them is partly what built their fan base.
 
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LOL| Just watched Tweetbeat! I had never watched it, but I might have to start, funny stuff! Kris reading his tweets was hilarious, especially with Jim's bad singing in the background! "I'm verrrrry sneeky!" Love the face, Kris, love the face!

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TWOP has some links up to some magazine articles Kris is in too, People's holiday special (holy cute-ness) Kris and Katy are so cute they are only saved by the snark. US Weekly, and Entertainment Weekly.
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Can I haz links here? Please?
 
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What? More Krim interview? Where is that? I keep missing stuff. (MTV, can you just wait and put up a whole interview once in a while? It's like: two minute interview, 7 hours of outtakes.)

Help me, the tards are out again on the blog that shall remain nameless. "Poor Kris, he must feel slighted by the AMA's." "Having to present with Demi Lovato, she's a nobody." Whatever. Somebody went on and on about Kris being slighted while Adam gets accolades. Maybe Kris's single being a bigger hit than Adam's is enough of an "accolade" for him. *snerk* Hey! I think I'll go over there and post that very thing!! (Kidding. I already did. :) )

So, speaking of the AMA's, I suppose Adam's kinda lousy single (jmho) will get a big sales boost from that. As well as his album. Unless it's an epic fail (his appearance).

Now, I know you guys don't care about reviews but they are after all one part of the process of releasing an album. So I just want to say Adam's CD seems to be getting some very good reviews. "Instant classic?" Hm.

"Ten or twenty years from now, when people are reflecting on the defining albums of the current pop-synth-glam revival, For Your Entertainment will undoubtedly be at the top of many lists."

Joe Vogel: Review: Adam Lambert's 'For Your Entertainment' An Instant Classic

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, since the guy is obviously a fan. In fact, Adam even linked on twitter to this article (published the same day as his review?) by the same guy --which I'm sure the guy must have sent to Adam, at some point:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-vogel/an-open-letter-to-adam-la_b_361733.html

I really think critics should try to show impartiality, but that seems less and less true these days.

TWOP has some links up to some magazine articles Kris is in too, People's holiday special (holy cute-ness) Kris and Katy are so cute they are only saved by the snark. US Weekly, and Entertainment Weekly.
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As Paula once said: "Kind of...adorable-sexy."
 
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Someone just posted this in response to my reply (see above) on that blog:

"He’ll probably get a little thrill today when he learns that he just moved past John Mayer to get his first Top 20 Airplay hit on HAC."

All right!! Way to go, Kris!
 
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I think that Adam's airplay will pick up after the AMA's -- If it doesn't then I'd be super surprised and actually disappointed. I like FYE, I've heard it on the radio and it sounds good. I don't like it as much as I like WWFM, but I think it's still a credible single. I mean if Lady Gaga can sing about disco sticks on the good old CBC (they played it on Being Erica) then Adam Lambert can sing about being here for our entertainment.

I was in Bestbuy today and they had Kris's CD (no big ads - while Leona, John, Justin and Hedley all had big promo) and your right Ross the dark colours of the CD cover don't really pop.

They did have Adam's CD on the schedule of big CD releases for the month.

Hey, I'd be excited about moving past John Mayer airplay wise too, and I'm not as big a John Mayer fan as Kris seems to be. and KATR.. that's what I thought it meant.. ?
 
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What does KATR stand for? Kris Allen The Record?
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Drive-by post to say that yes, that's what it means... David kept calling his album "my record" last year, so his self-titled album became DCTR for the fans. So, now I'm calling (and other Cook fans too) Kris's album KATR.
 
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I think that Adam's airplay will pick up after the AMA's -- If it doesn't then I'd be super surprised and actually disappointed. I like FYE, I've heard it on the radio and it sounds good. I don't like it as much as I like WWFM, but I think it's still a credible single.
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I feel that FYE will get a boost after the AMAs but that it will most likely be a temporary boost. But then if people like the video, it may do well. I have no idea why another single is being released, I'm sure it's some kind of marketing strategy that may become more obvious with time. I would think it would be hard to promote two (or three, if you include TFM) singles at once, but they probably know what they're doing.

Speaking of the video. When I went to the Top 10 concert there was a little girl, maybe 10 or 11, all dressed in sequins and an Adam t shirt (there was a liitle girl the same age sitting across the aisle from me with a Kris t-shirt). So I thought, okay, he gets a little provocative tonight, not too bad, it won't matter that much. But I wonder about kids this age watching his music video. And learning the lyrics to FYE. It just seems wrong, to me. It's like the little girl saying about Jacob in that DTTS "making of" video, "He's gonna get naked!" (Okay, it was hilarious, but I also had to go, wtf?) And then the sight of all those 12 -13 year old girls at MOD screaming for Hedley. I'm thinking, "Why are kids this age being marketed videos about B&D and S&M?!" I mean, isn't a huge part of Hedley's audience tweens?
 
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So I thought, okay, he gets a little provocative tonight, not too bad, it won't matter that much. But I wonder about kids this age watching his music video. And learning the lyrics to FYE. It just seems wrong, to me. It's like the little girl saying about Jacob in that DTTS "making of" video, "He's gonna get naked!" (Okay, it was hilarious, but I also had to go, wtf?) And then the sight of all those 12 -13 year old girls at MOD screaming for Hedley. I'm thinking, "Why are kids this age being marketed videos about B&D and S&M?!" I mean, isn't a huge part of Hedley's audience tweens?
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You have a really good point. That's the music industry as a whole though. It's Lady Gaga and her Disco stick, and Hedley and the bondage and Adam and the bondage, Rhianna and the bondage.. gee... sensing a theme, Britney and her threesome. Why is it being marketed to tweens and teens? I guess the answer is a bit unsatisfying. They will buy the music, and the posters, and the t-shirts, and the concert tickets. It's upping the ante every time, from Elvis and his oh so shocking hips that moved - each act wants to shock and titilate, eventually something has to give. Suddenly the oh so shocking isn't at all shocking any more and they have to do more to get attention from the the fans and the media.
 
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Good question. I don't know. Green plaid or red plaid? lol *shocking!!*

Actually, there are always artists that don't play that game with the media. They won't get the press that Rhianna, or Britney get -- or Adam for that matter but they are still viable artists that can sell and make music. No matter what the music industry thinks that they want -- music isn't confined to shock value, but it does sell magazines and make for good tv sound bites. Plus if it's all shocking.. then suddenly it's not that shocking. n Flaming bra a la Gaga...? been done. Madonna cone bra....? been done. (am I making sense? or just babbling? Babbling? That's what I thought.. lol)

Anyway, Adam is making his way onto Canadian airwaves FYE is one of the rate the music songs on Virgin Toronto's music survey. (which is good but also kind of annoys me since they've never played any of Kris's songs -- grr.. and yay! all at once)
 
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Interesting discussion going on here! You're totally making sense SleepinIn.

I think the majority of artists are actually not going for the "shocking" aspect of things. I don't know, I guess if you need the shocking it's like you don't really have anything else to offer? I know that's probably not true, but still I find that trying to shock people is not really creative. Yes, you can try to wear the weirdest bra ever or sing a song about a threesome, but it's kind of just an easy way to get people's attention. Yes, if you have real talent in addition to the "shocking" aspect, it will lead to great success, like Madonna (not that I find her that talented, she can barely sing live, but I think she's very smart) and Lady Gaga. Or if you have a good team, like I bet Britney has, because seriously, at this point, I don't what she really has going for herself. But in the end, I still prefer those who can wow you with the creativity in their music instead of with any of the superficial stuff that we see too much of today (IMO of course). I guess it's all a matter of personal preference in the end.

Also, I think a lot of people might believe that the shocking aspect is literally tied with success in today's industry. People don't buy as much music as before, so I guess getting the music buyers's attention by any means possible is a reasonably good way to try to get some success. And you'll get more attention if you sing about kissing a girl or if you wear costumes than anything else.

Sorry, I'm probably babbling now.
 
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Also, I think a lot of people might believe that the shocking aspect is literally tied with success in today's industry. People don't buy as much music as before, so I guess getting the music buyers's attention by any means possible is a reasonably good way to try to get some success. And you'll get more attention if you sing about kissing a girl or if you wear costumes than anything else.

Sorry, I'm probably babbling now.
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We can babble on together. lol. That's a good point about the decline of the music industry too. Everyone is facing declining sales and they are all trying to get a scrap of an ever decreasing pie. It stands to reason that shock tactics are at the forefront right now.
 
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