Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

missaddicted

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LOL. I just saw that the girl who pretty much follows David and his band around was also in Montréal (she posted videos). Seriously, she has videos from almost all of his (north)-east coast shows and she was even in South Dakota! Totally freaks me out. What is she going to do when the tour is over? Return to "real life" is going to be a bitch!

Anyway, her videos are always great:

YouTube - Lie - Unplugged & Acapella - Montreal

YouTube - I Did It For You - Montreal
 

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Ohh, I like Marie-Mai. Thanks for the new music hint - she is awesome :) I'll have to Download that I think.

I agree with you they totally overproduced Allison's voice. But, that's what's in at the moment. I still like it. She doesn't need it, but then it seems like everyone and their cat is using the electronic auto-tuney stuff at the moment. I like the electronic sounds so I do like it, and would probably listen to similar music.

I'm actually happy that it sounds young and fun, I like ballads, but for radio I think it's good to start out with an uptempo song from your cd.

Jacob was on MOD today (which is why I was distracted, lol) They were having their We day celebrations since they held We day at the Air Canada centre so the audience was really young. They were also really smart. They asked Jacob some really good questions and he answered them really seriously. It was a good interview with him. He was not however the star attraction.. lol - Justin Beiber was also there.... holy crap with the teenage girl screams. I think Justin's album comes out the same day as Kris's .. Justin is gonna win that battle. I'm pretty sure. Prepare yourself ross. I still don't get the appeal though.. I guess you have to be 12. I'm so not 12.

Hedley is also available November 17th. The Show Must Go is the CD name.
 
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Ohh, I like Marie-Mai. Thanks for the new music hint - she is awesome :icon_smile: I'll have to Download that I think.

Awesome! Her CDs are on iTunes (Canada of course). Oh, and she also did a song with David Usher. And she has a song in English on her last record. It's probably one of the least originals on her CD, but it's catchy as hell! I can listen to it on repeat. I hope she will record a CD in English at one point, she totally has everything it takes to become popular outside of Québec.

I'm actually happy that it sounds young and fun, I like ballads, but for radio I think it's good to start out with an uptempo song from your cd.

I agree, it's the best thing for Allison for sure.

She doesn't need it, but then it seems like everyone and their cat is using the electronic auto-tuney stuff at the moment.

Thanks, now I have the sound of an auto-tuned cat in my head. Or at least how I think an auto-tuned cat would sound!

Justin Bieber, eh? I clicked on his song on iTunes at some point. After 10 seconds, I knew I wasn't in the target audience for his music.
 

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I have the sound of an auto-tuned cat in my head

*snort* You're welcome.

Justin Bieber, eh? I clicked on his song on iTunes at some point. After 10 seconds, I knew I wasn't in the target audience for his music.

LOl - the first time I saw him I thought he was a girl. But, he's only 15 afterall, lol.
 

ross 1

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SleepinIn, Jacob inspires:

YouTube - jacob hoggard from headly talking!

Justin Bieber, eh? I clicked on his song on iTunes at some point. After 10 seconds, I knew I wasn't in the target audience for his music.

So I guess he was discovered by Usher and he's 15 and he's an instant star.

You guys, I just got a shock. Checked out the iTunes Top 100 and Kris wasn't on the chart! Then I realized I was looking at the ITunes UK chart.

On the US chart, he's at #58. (I'm hoping the song becomes available in the UK soon).

I also look at this listing of the ITunes charts sometimes.

iTunes Top 100 Pop Songs

This is Top 100 Pop songs. Kris is at #27. (On this chart's overall Top 100, though, he's at #70. But this version of the chart is only updated once a day).

Kris has been relatively high on the Pop chart all along. Why does this have no significance? Or does it?

I have a question: on the Apple ITunes site, itself, how do you find the ranking by genre, such as pop, rock, etc.? Or can you?
 

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Oh, I listened to Allsion's song. It's good. I'm not that into her but I hope she does well with it. Interesting how they mold these people.

Jacob on MOD
 

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I used to know how to check only the pop chart on Itunes..but then I updated to itunes 9.. no idea now. :p
 

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I used to know how to check only the pop chart on Itunes..but then I updated to itunes 9.. no idea now. :razz:

I don't even have it downloaded (I haven't bought the single. Shhh. Don't tell anybody). I wonder if that makes a difference in what you can look at.

So, I'm still curious. If this is a pop song, why is the ranking on the pop chart not considered more significant than the ranking on the overall chart?

The discussion on TWoP was interesting about Crush and Light On vs. LLWD. I remember next to nothing about what went on with the two Davids' singles, last fall, but the one thing I do recall is what those singles did. Crush went to #1, and LO went to #3. But then LO fell rapidly and a lot of people said it had flopped. (LOL. I still hear it on the radio once a week, at least). I forget if Crush fell rapidly or slowly.

Another thing I remember (I didn't follow the season at all, but my interest in CI gave me a mild interest in AI so I paid some attention) was Archie singing Crush on TRL. And also singing it on a float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade.

And I also remember seeing a teen-magazine-style publication that was all about Archie -- similar to the one I saw the other day that was all about Robert Pattinson.

One thing I regret (sort of) is that TRL is no longer in business. Good showcase for someone like Kris to perform his single.
 

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So, I'm still curious. If this is a pop song, why is the ranking on the pop chart not considered more significant than the ranking on the overall chart?

If I understand your question correctly, I'd say that it's because the overall chart includes the song from all the genres (pop, rock, hip hop, etc), while the Pop chart includes only the song that are classified in the Pop genre by iTunes. So, of course, a song is boung to chart higher on the specific genre chart than on the overall chart.

I used to know how to check only the pop chart on Itunes..but then I updated to itunes 9.. no idea now. :razz:

On the main store page, there's a "music" tab on the top of the page. If you put you cursor over it, you'll see an arrow. Press on the arrow and scroll down to "pop" and click! Works for me anyway!

But then LO fell rapidly and a lot of people said it had flopped.

The difference between Crush and Light On is that Crush was a top 40 (or CHR for contemporary hit radio) hit (and yes, it was a hit faster than Light On, all things considered) and Light On was a HAC hit (Hot Adult Contempory, different kind of radio stations, not Z100, for example). We can't say that Light On was the biggest hit ever, but as you mentionned yourself, it had a super long life on the radio. It charted high at first and then fell down, but it played on the radio for months. David's second single, Come Back To Me, is of the same mold. It was released in March and it's still playing on the radio. HAC hits (or AC hits) have a less immediate impact I guess, but they can have a longer life as singles. So, Crush went platinum first, but Light On also got there after a while. People were quick to say that LO flopped, but it isn't really the case. It didn't have "I'm Yours" type of success, but it still was a solid hit.
 

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On the main store page, there's a "music" tab on the top of the page. If you put you cursor over it, you'll see an arrow. Press on the arrow and scroll down to "pop" and click! Works for me anyway!

Welcome to the Apple Store - Apple Store (U.S.)

missaddicted, this is the US site of the iTunes store but I can't find a music tab. I'm pretty sure it isn't there, but I'm seriously bad at finding things. Can you help me out? Or is it just totally different from the Canadian website?

ETA: missaddicted, I'm watching an old movie while reading this so I can't listen to your links but I will soon.
 

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I was just watching a ustream chat with Lights. (She's awesome BTW)

But, yeah I'm not sure about what happened single wise last year. I know I remember when they both came out, and I liked them both. I was more impressed that I liked David Archuleta to be honest, because he drove me nuts on AI - nice kid, great singer, drove me nuts.. Where I already, really liked David Cook on AI and I liked his after Idol stuff too. (BTW David A. no longer drives me nuts - I think it was watching him on tv.. lol)

For me, I know people are doom and glooming Kris's single everywhere - and yeah #58 isn't the best number - but I actually don't mind the fact that it's got to climb, or fail aside from Idol's fanbase. It's going to get played on the radio due to Idol that's a given. Plus the promo that he'll be doing - bottom line, I like the song, and it doesn't ring false to me. It sounds like something he would sing.
 

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missaddicted, this is the US site of the iTunes store but I can't find a music tab. I'm pretty sure it isn't there, but I'm seriously bad at finding things. Can you help me out? Or is it just totally different from the Canadian website?

I was actually talking about when you are in the store itself, which I thought was SleepinIn's question. I'm not familiar at all with the website. I just checked and I can see the top 5 in pop, but when I try to see the whole chart, it opens iTunes the program. If you go in the "iTunes" tab and scroll down, you should see charts and if you select the "music" tab there, you can see the pop chart, but only the top 5. I can't help you more than that. Why don't you download iTunes?
 

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For me, I know people are doom and glooming Kris's single everywhere - and yeah #58 isn't the best number - but I actually don't mind the fact that it's got to climb, or fail aside from Idol's fanbase. It's going to get played on the radio due to Idol that's a given. Plus the promo that he'll be doing - bottom line, I like the song, and it doesn't ring false to me. It sounds like something he would sing.

Do we know the sales for the first week that it was on sale? They should be out by now, but I haven't seen anything about that...
 

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For me, I know people are doom and glooming Kris's single everywhere - and yeah #58 isn't the best number - but I actually don't mind the fact that it's got to climb, or fail aside from Idol's fanbase. It's going to get played on the radio due to Idol that's a given. Plus the promo that he'll be doing - bottom line, I like the song, and it doesn't ring false to me. It sounds like something he would sing.

Justin Beiber is #10. I think the tweens buy a lot of singles.

As for LLWD. I doubt anyone has considered this but me, but those Adam fans who weren't good sports about Kris winning AI are also not going to be good sports and support his single. You know what I mean.
I often read stuff like "I was a fan of X, but I'll still support Y by buying his single." I don't think we're seeing too much of that this time around. If some of the fans are as bitter and unsupportive as they appear to be online, I think this may account for low sales of the single among Idol fans. (That is how I interpret the numbers currently. The only people who know Kris has a single out are Idol fans, and some people who've heard it on the radio here and there.) Kris's own fans have supported the single, and the Kradam fans, but it's a pretty good bet that if the Adam fans supported it, it would be doing better. Obviously, many are not.

Now, once the single is added to radio in a large way, and Kris starts doing publicity, we'll see whether people (non-Idol people) actually like it, or him, and whether it goes anywhere. People don't watch AI in the numbers they once did. Most of my friends have never heard of Kris. He hasn't gotten the post-Idol publicity Adam has. One thing I'm hoping is when the song is added to playlists, Jive features an ad for it on iTunes. And I'm hoping Kris will be doing a lot of interviews and appearances. I still can't predict anything but I'm hoping.
 

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Well, I don't expect the Adam fans to buy it only to support Kris. I mean, I won't buy Adam's stuff if I don't like it just to support him. Of course, they may like the song, but won't buy it because of petty reasons, but it's also a good possibility that they just don't like it.
 

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SleepinIn (and ross too), are you familiar with Vampire Weekend? I've been meaning to check out their music, but I haven't yet, but now, they're offering their new single as a free download on their website: Vampire Weekend - Horchata. I really like the song!
 

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The haters are all over the blogs, but they are in reality a very small fraction of the world. Sure there will be people who feel that way but I think their reach is small.

I think it's more likely that No Boundaries lack of momentum hurt the LLWD's opening, Which is unfair to Kris given he had no choice about that one. I did read on USA today though that No Boundaries and Heartless both increased in spins on the radio this past week due to the new singles release. We actually may never get rid of No Boundaries.

LLWD is picking up speed though there are a couple more stations that have it as a hot pick.

ETA: Thanks missaddicted! I like it too! Sloan is doing the same thing, if you like Sloan.

and here is a pic of the Rolling Stone review (m'kay it's blurry - but you asked)
http://twitpic.com/kfu59
 

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Well, I don't expect the Adam fans to buy it only to support Kris. I mean, I won't buy Adam's stuff if I don't like it just to support him. Of course, they may like the song, but won't buy it because of petty reasons, but it's also a good possibility that they just don't like it.

My point is, I read this online all the time. "I'll buy Theo's single to support him." People do that. It doesn't even matter if they like it. There's a good amount of people who just believe in supporting Idol contestants. They'll pay the measly $1.29 because the person gave them some entertainment over the season and the person seems nice. At least, people on forums claim to do this frequently. Whether they actually do it, I can't prove that.

I guess my point more bluntly put is that there are probably people who would normally do this for other idols in other years, who aren't going to do it for Kris.

I keep meaning to tell you guys this, but a friend of mine in central BC has heard LLWD on satellite radio a few times.
 
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My point is, I read this online all the time. "I'll buy Theo's single to support him." People do that. It doesn't even matter if they like it. There's a good amount of people who just believe in supporting Idol contestants. They'll pay the measly $1.29 because the person gave them some entertainment over the season and the person seems nice. At least, people on forums claim to do this frequently. Whether they actually do it, I can't prove that.

I don't know. I get your point, but I'm not sure enough people actually do it for it to have an impact. I mean, you know I'm a huge Idol fan, and I want to support them. But I won't support someone if I don't like their music.
 

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I mean, you know I'm a huge Idol fan, and I want to support them. But I won't support someone if I don't like their music.
For myself - Me either (does that make me a scrouge?). I may still support them, and follow their career. But, the ones I've shelled out the buck for - it's because I liked the music. Kris is actually the first one who's Cd I've bought without actually hearing it. I have read that though ross so who knows it could be true.

I keep meaning to tell you guys this, but a friend of mine in central BC has heard LLWD on satellite radio a few times.
That's awesome! Slow and steady.

(I have to admit I just looked at Carrie Underwood's spins.. don't do that - the girl's a monster something like 6000 spins, OMG)

Just watching this.
I've never heard this song before. But, clearly it's well known? Anyway.. I love Dallas Green.. that is all.. lol.