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I did too. But then I ususally do - just on the weekends when they run it in batches. I thought it was a little choppy - the dance (maybe the song too I guess - I like the live and tour version more than the studio version). But it's great promotion for him.
Yeah, I'm glad it got on the show (Heartless), and a lot of people are tweeting about that, actually. I only wish they would try to give the song some serious radio play. Even this version, it's really good. I mean, it has that sort of "unfinished" feeling that I think is common to AI studio stuff, but the vocal is fantastic. I want to try to describe it for some reason, but I doubt I can. Well, I'll try.
He always reminds me a little bit of Frank Sinatra in the way his lyric and vocal interpretations are very integrated or organic. One informs the other. He's feeling the words and feeling the music.
Plus he has a mock-cocky attitude and sings it in a mature way, like he's standing back from it, and understands there's pleaure in pain, or pain in pleasure (also like Sinatra), and he's kind of light about it. Not self-pitying at all. And the whole time he's giving it a sexy, kind of yearning vibe.
So when I listen to it, the thing I'm thinking is: how did he walk into the studio and just open his mouth and put all this style and substance into this song? I mean, the kid is a genius.
He always reminds me a little bit of Frank Sinatra in the way his lyric and vocal interpretations are very integrated or organic. One informs the other. He's feeling the words and feeling the music.
Plus he has a mock-cocky attitude and sings it in a mature way, like he's standing back from it, and understands there's pleaure in pain, or pain in pleasure (also like Sinatra), and he's kind of light about it. Not self-pitying at all. And the whole time he's giving it a sexy, kind of yearning vibe.
So when I listen to it, the thing I'm thinking is: how did he walk into the studio and just open his mouth and put all this style and substance into this song? I mean, the kid is a genius.
YouTube - Sandy & American Idol Winner KRIS ALLEN (July 2009)
You probably saw this one before (since it's from July 13) but I never saw it.
YouTube - Kris Allen, Adam Lambert, Hey Jude, Don't Stop Believin' Gelndate, AZ 072009
Glendale AZ version of Hey Jude and DSB (pretty good footage of the latter).
Personally I don't get as much from Hey Jude as I do his other numbers. Never a favorite song of mine, anyhow, though I love when he sings, "And anytime you feel afraid." etc.
Other than his saying he wanted to do it on AI, I think they picked it because it's a concert-closer type of song.
A Kris fan worries:
Maybe it's the voice coaching he got before the tour, but I don't think the way he does certain things, like how he sings "sad sooooong," sounds like Kris. I don't think the tour is especially showcasing his great voice/singing style all the time, mainly due to choice of songs. Heartless, ANS, Bright Lights are all great, the other two, not so much. The Killers song is a huge improvement over NB, but it's nothing super-memorable. Hey Jude...well, I don't think he should do The Beatles. Maybe he's just too respectful of them. Even doing the scream, and all, it's not really "making it his own." Well, except when he does the line, "And any time you feel afraid," etc., which is really moving, for some reason, and totally Kris.
Just my himble epunyon. :smile:
You probably saw this one before (since it's from July 13) but I never saw it.
YouTube - Kris Allen, Adam Lambert, Hey Jude, Don't Stop Believin' Gelndate, AZ 072009
Glendale AZ version of Hey Jude and DSB (pretty good footage of the latter).
Personally I don't get as much from Hey Jude as I do his other numbers. Never a favorite song of mine, anyhow, though I love when he sings, "And anytime you feel afraid." etc.
Other than his saying he wanted to do it on AI, I think they picked it because it's a concert-closer type of song.
A Kris fan worries:
Maybe it's the voice coaching he got before the tour, but I don't think the way he does certain things, like how he sings "sad sooooong," sounds like Kris. I don't think the tour is especially showcasing his great voice/singing style all the time, mainly due to choice of songs. Heartless, ANS, Bright Lights are all great, the other two, not so much. The Killers song is a huge improvement over NB, but it's nothing super-memorable. Hey Jude...well, I don't think he should do The Beatles. Maybe he's just too respectful of them. Even doing the scream, and all, it's not really "making it his own." Well, except when he does the line, "And any time you feel afraid," etc., which is really moving, for some reason, and totally Kris.
Just my himble epunyon. :smile:
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Hey Jude for me is now the weakest song of his set - but it's a great way to close the Idol concert with all the others joining him. So it would be better for me if he had another song in there before Hey Jude -heehee I won't be happy til it's a full Kris concert. I like him singing it, but it's the Beatles. Kris loves the Beatles so he's not going to do much to the song to change it up. All of his Beatles songs stay sort of true to the original. Come Together is probably the only one he changed up a bit and even that doesn't deviate much.
I love the Killers song in the set, I think it gives him a lot of forward momentum - does that even make sense? It also gives him a chance to show his rock side and I think that's a really good thing for the future if his album is going to be more pop rock alternative.
Did you see that Heartless got a big bump in the itunes charts due to SYTYCD? Yay.
My favourite tour version of Heartless is this one from Salt Lake. (Actually Salt Lake sounded amazing it's too bad there aren't more videos of it)
I love the Killers song in the set, I think it gives him a lot of forward momentum - does that even make sense? It also gives him a chance to show his rock side and I think that's a really good thing for the future if his album is going to be more pop rock alternative.
Did you see that Heartless got a big bump in the itunes charts due to SYTYCD? Yay.
My favourite tour version of Heartless is this one from Salt Lake. (Actually Salt Lake sounded amazing it's too bad there aren't more videos of it)
The other thing I was going to say about Hey Jude is that it would work so much better as an Encore song. And in terms of staging I'd bring the band closer to Kris.
Some great quality Vancouver videos
YouTube - Kris Allen - Bright Lights - Vancouver Canada
YouTube - Kris Allen - Ain't No Sunshine - Vancouver Canada
YouTube - Kris Allen - Heartless - Vancouver Canada
there's also NB, which I haven't watched yet
(but I will)
and take a look at that person's other videos - Kalan! Gonna watch those next
Some great quality Vancouver videos
YouTube - Kris Allen - Bright Lights - Vancouver Canada
YouTube - Kris Allen - Ain't No Sunshine - Vancouver Canada
YouTube - Kris Allen - Heartless - Vancouver Canada
there's also NB, which I haven't watched yet
(but I will)and take a look at that person's other videos - Kalan! Gonna watch those next
You read my mind. He needs another song before Hey Jude and then lights off, applause for his set, then he comes back and does an encore (HJ). Maybe Bright Lights is a good song to end the set, I guess, but he needs another song somewhere. And I Ain't just being greedy (well, okay, maybe a little).
Here's what I think happened, from the way this is all set up. I think he had four songs and an encore of HJ, originally. And I think Adam had four songs originally. Why?
Because the way HJ is staged, with the idols coming on at the end of it, it just seems like an encore. This is what D. Cook had, last year, four songs and an encore. And Archie had four songs. So I think they decided to give Adam five songs (probably because of the duet w/ Allison), and that left Kris with only four songs and an encore. Solution: give them both five, and cut the encore, blending it in with Kris's set. I don't think it works, whatever they were aiming for.
So I seriously think he should get another song (not that that'll happen). I mean, how much longer does a two or three minute song make a concert, anyhow?
Oh, yeah, those Vancouver vids were posted on Kalan's fansite originally, I think -- I haven't looked at them yet. The person said basically it was "the Adam show," but I think she's an Adam fan, anyhow. I do think Kris's set has improved since then, but it would never, ever be the Adam Show for me...
Hey, did you read how Kris wasn't sleeping at all for the first week or so of the concert?
Hey, did you read how Kris wasn't sleeping at all for the first week or so of the concert?
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Nice review of Salt Lake concert.
And that gal can say whatever she likes as long as she provided me with video of Kris. Everything is forgiven. lol.
And I agree I think they've all improved over the early concerts and getting rid of NB was a great place to start. Thank you tepid reviewers, you did us all a great service. Which is so much more logical - you wouldn't actually see another artist keep playing something that's dragging them down on stage.
I wouldn't be sleeping either. No lie. That would be a tough thing to do without ever touring before.
Nice review of Salt Lake concert.
And that gal can say whatever she likes as long as she provided me with video of Kris.
Everything is forgiven. lol. And I agree I think they've all improved over the early concerts and getting rid of NB was a great place to start. Thank you tepid reviewers, you did us all a great service. Which is so much more logical - you wouldn't actually see another artist keep playing something that's dragging them down on stage.
I wouldn't be sleeping either. No lie. That would be a tough thing to do without ever touring before.
Did mj post that Salt Lake review? It was good.
He's obviously an Allison fan. I think she will improve but I always thought she was kind of uninteresting. Just not my style, or something. She never got my full attention. I often wandered out of the room when she was onscreen. Had a snack.
Kris not sleeping: I remember Adam said Kris fell asleep as soon as his head hit the pillow, in the mansion. And there must have been a lot of stress then, too. But only one song a week. .
I agree, I doubt I'd be sleeping, myself. Plus, his grandmother was sick, he was probably worried about missing performances, worried about how to deal with NB, and missing Katy, who was at least around when he was in L.A. The other thing is that he got the worst bunk! His own fault, according to everybody. And I think Kris is very hard on himself, don't you?
But losing sleep can totally affect everything, and while I think he was good at the start, he's better now that he's sleeping.
He's obviously an Allison fan. I think she will improve but I always thought she was kind of uninteresting. Just not my style, or something. She never got my full attention. I often wandered out of the room when she was onscreen. Had a snack.
Kris not sleeping: I remember Adam said Kris fell asleep as soon as his head hit the pillow, in the mansion. And there must have been a lot of stress then, too. But only one song a week. .
I agree, I doubt I'd be sleeping, myself. Plus, his grandmother was sick, he was probably worried about missing performances, worried about how to deal with NB, and missing Katy, who was at least around when he was in L.A. The other thing is that he got the worst bunk! His own fault, according to everybody. And I think Kris is very hard on himself, don't you?
But losing sleep can totally affect everything, and while I think he was good at the start, he's better now that he's sleeping.
Actually I think what I read was Kris wasn't sleeping untiol recently. More than a week.
Did you read that recap of the concert on mj's blog today? I think I would title it
Adam! and some other people who were there and probably sang, I really wasn't paying attention.
Anyhow, at least she didn't hold anything back. One of the peculiarities (to me, anyway) of a lot of these reviews of Adam by self-described "obsessed" fans is how they describe in great detail the spiky jacket and straddling the mic stand, and hand gestures, and the crowd reactions, and everything Adam said and did and breathed and wore, whatever, but what about the singing? He does sing, the last I heard. There were I think two short sentences in the whole huge recap about his singing. But plenty about how lousy everyone else sounded.
One of the comments on that ravengirl recap was:
I LOVED!!!! Ravengirls reflection re: the inordinate obsession. I am over 50 and am POSSESSED!!!!! My husband chides me daily: “What’s ADAM doing today????” I haven’t told him the depth of my GASM fixation….. It’s a little scary. I haven’t died my hair black but I could without a lot of urging. I can’t explain my extreme passion about this young man...
First, I have to say: yes, it is a little scary.
Second, I showed this to a kid I work with who's 16 and he laughed and said, "Sounds like Clay Aiken's fans."
Anyhow, this woman goes on to compare Adam to Mikhail Barishnakov, Michael Flatley, and Secretariat (!) and says we never got to see these stars through their development process but lucky us, we get to see Adam from the start and get to see his develop.
Now I suppose I could take exception to a lot of things in her post but strangely the only one I do take exception to is that we are seeing Adam at the beginning of his development process. The beginning of his fame, yes. And he will continue to develop and grow. But I tend to think that some of the others are actually farther along, at their age and level of experience (Allison), than he would have been at about age 21 or 22, working on a cruise ship. If he tried out at that age, blond and freckled and probably not straddling any mike stands, would he be the runner up?
Just asking, for no reason. Of course, that is not when he tried out, and it doesn't matter, he's very accomplished now and doing great.
(to be continued...)
Did you read that recap of the concert on mj's blog today? I think I would title it
Adam! and some other people who were there and probably sang, I really wasn't paying attention.
Anyhow, at least she didn't hold anything back. One of the peculiarities (to me, anyway) of a lot of these reviews of Adam by self-described "obsessed" fans is how they describe in great detail the spiky jacket and straddling the mic stand, and hand gestures, and the crowd reactions, and everything Adam said and did and breathed and wore, whatever, but what about the singing? He does sing, the last I heard. There were I think two short sentences in the whole huge recap about his singing. But plenty about how lousy everyone else sounded.
One of the comments on that ravengirl recap was:
I LOVED!!!! Ravengirls reflection re: the inordinate obsession. I am over 50 and am POSSESSED!!!!! My husband chides me daily: “What’s ADAM doing today????” I haven’t told him the depth of my GASM fixation….. It’s a little scary. I haven’t died my hair black but I could without a lot of urging. I can’t explain my extreme passion about this young man...
First, I have to say: yes, it is a little scary.
Second, I showed this to a kid I work with who's 16 and he laughed and said, "Sounds like Clay Aiken's fans."
Anyhow, this woman goes on to compare Adam to Mikhail Barishnakov, Michael Flatley, and Secretariat (!) and says we never got to see these stars through their development process but lucky us, we get to see Adam from the start and get to see his develop.
Now I suppose I could take exception to a lot of things in her post but strangely the only one I do take exception to is that we are seeing Adam at the beginning of his development process. The beginning of his fame, yes. And he will continue to develop and grow. But I tend to think that some of the others are actually farther along, at their age and level of experience (Allison), than he would have been at about age 21 or 22, working on a cruise ship. If he tried out at that age, blond and freckled and probably not straddling any mike stands, would he be the runner up?
Just asking, for no reason. Of course, that is not when he tried out, and it doesn't matter, he's very accomplished now and doing great.
(to be continued...)
Ross you crack me up, lol. (and we're not at all obsessed? Good to know - okay - really though I've never felt the need to get hysterical over anyone)
I actually think I could write a disertation on this topic. But let me just say that when adults act like teenagers, it sometimes gets ugly. They have more money to spend on following the tour, more money for crazy gifts. etc., etc. (how many stuffed animals and scrapbooks do 20 year old guys really want?)
I don't think that all of Adams' fans are stuck on the glamour or the sex god image but when that gets played up in the media then it's validated to a certain extent. Every year there are over the top fans (they might actually be the same ones every year) And actually Adam at the moment is a very safe type of rock star to lose your mind over. Not that he's safe - but through the confining eyes of the television audience he is. You never see him swear, or drink, or be human really, because they are always "on" when the cameras are on. That applies to all of them and not just Adam. IMHO anyway. I think David Cook had a real problem with fans last year. I don't know all the details since I've never followed the tour, but I seem to remember reading that somewhere.
Just reading the Dallas tweets, it seems like Dallas has lost it's collective mind - and Adam wasn't even on stage yet.
Dallas live stream.
goss on Qik
I actually think I could write a disertation on this topic. But let me just say that when adults act like teenagers, it sometimes gets ugly. They have more money to spend on following the tour, more money for crazy gifts. etc., etc. (how many stuffed animals and scrapbooks do 20 year old guys really want?)
I don't think that all of Adams' fans are stuck on the glamour or the sex god image but when that gets played up in the media then it's validated to a certain extent. Every year there are over the top fans (they might actually be the same ones every year) And actually Adam at the moment is a very safe type of rock star to lose your mind over. Not that he's safe - but through the confining eyes of the television audience he is. You never see him swear, or drink, or be human really, because they are always "on" when the cameras are on. That applies to all of them and not just Adam. IMHO anyway. I think David Cook had a real problem with fans last year. I don't know all the details since I've never followed the tour, but I seem to remember reading that somewhere.
Just reading the Dallas tweets, it seems like Dallas has lost it's collective mind - and Adam wasn't even on stage yet.
Dallas live stream.
goss on Qik
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LOL!!! We are not obsessed. Repeat after me. We. Are. NOT. Obsessed. We're just completely normal people who think about Kris Allen 24 hours a day. What's wrong with that??? :-?
Anyhow, the fantard army were out in force on mj's today and I love it! I think I'm becoming obsessed with them. They're really entertaining in their own right.
All of this is new to me. I'm new to Idol, to fandoms, everything. So you will have to educate me about it. I have to say, I think right now (and forever, probably) Kris is really lucky that he doesn't necessarily inspire this particular kind of adoration from the "frauen", as VFTW calls them.
Anyway, the rest of what I was going to say (I had to stop that tirade because I was at work and had to go home) was just that if I do end up doing a recap, for the Boston show, I think I'll try to be fair to everyone. Yes, even the G. O. (Glittery One). What I mean is, try to be fair about performances based on levels of experience. Like, Anoop has never been a professional, or Matt has only played and sung in hotel lobbies in Kalamazoo or Louisville or wherever. I mean, based on their levels of experience most of them seem to be doing pretty well.
By the way, I always forget to mention: there's a radio show in Boston on Saturday afternoons that plays a capella music, mostly by college groups, and a couple of weeks ago I heard the Clefhangers of UNC Chapel Hill, Anoop's group. I don't think the host watches AI because he never mentioned the show, so I don't even know if I was listening to Anoop or not (I don't know if I'd recognize his voice. Anyway, I didn't).
Anyhow, the fantard army were out in force on mj's today and I love it! I think I'm becoming obsessed with them. They're really entertaining in their own right.
All of this is new to me. I'm new to Idol, to fandoms, everything. So you will have to educate me about it. I have to say, I think right now (and forever, probably) Kris is really lucky that he doesn't necessarily inspire this particular kind of adoration from the "frauen", as VFTW calls them.
Anyway, the rest of what I was going to say (I had to stop that tirade because I was at work and had to go home) was just that if I do end up doing a recap, for the Boston show, I think I'll try to be fair to everyone. Yes, even the G. O. (Glittery One). What I mean is, try to be fair about performances based on levels of experience. Like, Anoop has never been a professional, or Matt has only played and sung in hotel lobbies in Kalamazoo or Louisville or wherever. I mean, based on their levels of experience most of them seem to be doing pretty well.
By the way, I always forget to mention: there's a radio show in Boston on Saturday afternoons that plays a capella music, mostly by college groups, and a couple of weeks ago I heard the Clefhangers of UNC Chapel Hill, Anoop's group. I don't think the host watches AI because he never mentioned the show, so I don't even know if I was listening to Anoop or not (I don't know if I'd recognize his voice. Anyway, I didn't).
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Yeah, obsession can be totally scary. Following David's career in the last year has been a real eye opener for me when it comes to fan behavior (some fan behavior, not all though). Some mature women's behavior especially. David had to post a really polite blog during the winter telling the fans to behave and stop stalking the band. Then the media made him out to be an ungrateful jerk. David is really (and I mean REALLY) protective of his personal life and some fans just wouldn't understand that. It's frustrating because it casts a bad shadow on the other fans. Also, he almost always made a point to come out with his bandmates after the show to sign autographs. Which they do on the Idol tour, but I haven't seen many musicians who still make a point to do that. But reports were that he would never come out when the crowd seemed a bit crazy and out of control. All the more reason to behave and act civilized. And honestly, it kind of creeps me out all these "older" women who talk about hiding their "love affair" with Adam/David/whoever from their husbands, who talk about "gasms", about their sexual obsession with 20-something guys on public forums. All I want to tell them is that the guy will never be with them (and not only because of their age) and to get a grip. Am I too harsh? Maybe I'll think so when I'm 50 and I have a silly crush on a 20-something...
Hedley always does a meet and greet after they perform, but I notice now (when I see this stuff on YouTube) that they have security pretty tight, and I saw Jacob alerting the security people about someone in line. A guy, probably a "repeat offender" of some kind. It must be kind of scary.
I think it's probably not a good thing if the older lady fans are so into you, because somehow you become a joke. But you can laugh all the way to the bank, I suppose. Adam is luckier than most right now because the critics are saying he's brilliant, so he has some real credibility. But I think if the Claytard types overtake his fandom, well, stars like this never seem to be taken seriously.
Kris is also attracting some of that type of fan (like the crazy woman who stuck her tongue in his mouth), but I think he's smart to downplay it like he does. What young guy would want to encourage it? It's creepy, all right.
I couldn't watch that live stream...how does it work? I seem to be live-stream challenged, or something.
I think it's probably not a good thing if the older lady fans are so into you, because somehow you become a joke. But you can laugh all the way to the bank, I suppose. Adam is luckier than most right now because the critics are saying he's brilliant, so he has some real credibility. But I think if the Claytard types overtake his fandom, well, stars like this never seem to be taken seriously.
Kris is also attracting some of that type of fan (like the crazy woman who stuck her tongue in his mouth), but I think he's smart to downplay it like he does. What young guy would want to encourage it? It's creepy, all right.
I couldn't watch that live stream...how does it work? I seem to be live-stream challenged, or something.
I happened to see on twitter this morning that some girl planned to throw boxers onstage when Kris was performing and according to mj's blog, which I just read, she succeeded. I don't see the joke but apparently Kris thought it was funny. Somebody please explain to me what they had in mind by doing this.
Of course those crazy women on the blog have taken up the refrain that Adam appeals to women (them) and Kris appeals to gay men. Great. Kris appeals to women. Just not those women.
mj just had to admonish them to stop talking about Adam's and Kris's junk.
...help. :-(
Of course those crazy women on the blog have taken up the refrain that Adam appeals to women (them) and Kris appeals to gay men. Great. Kris appeals to women. Just not those women.
mj just had to admonish them to stop talking about Adam's and Kris's junk.
...help. :-(
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Ew! I hadn't heard about that. The woman is seriously messed up, who does that?
Exactly. I guess it's good for Adam that he's a critic's darling and good for Kris that he doesn't seem to have that type of fan too much (not that he doesn't, but not as much as Adam I guess). I think David has been working really hard and hasn't been sitting on his laurels to make sure he developped his fanbase outside of the Idol fanbase. The college tour was a good idea on that front, even if he still had older fans following him around on those college dates. Seriously, some fans have been to something like 12-15 shows and keep on going. Is that healthy? Probably not for the wallet anyway. I mean I saw Mraz twice in the last year and a half and I'll see him again at the Osheaga festival in a week, but I saw his show when he came to Montréal, I wouldn't start following him around just for the thrill of it.
LOL, just saw on MJ that Danny is part of a contest to sing at the "perfect couple" wedding. Sorry, it's kind of funny.
He probably appeals to some older fans... not for the same reasons though! He's like the anti-sexy.
He probably appeals to some older fans... not for the same reasons though! He's like the anti-sexy.