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also are Lee and David doing a show together? Or just traveling together?

They're apparently doing a private gig tomorrow night in the Napa Valley. Not too many info about it, but it did give us a funny comment from Neal on twitter:

RT @ClickOnLEE: so who exactly is @nealfingtiemann and why does HE get to be with LEE tonite and not ME?!” – who are you?
 

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So twitter seems entertaining tonight.

First, a little glimmer of hope?

From Cale: I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t recently heard plans of a third single
that’s all I’m saying you little rascals!”

Then some funny from David-Neal-Lee:

From David: FYI- if @LeeDewyze sings "Hello" by Lionel Richie one more time today, I may be forced to slug him in the arm.

From Lee: @thedavidcook Hello?

From David: Just remember, @leedewyze... It's a beautiful day.

From Lee: @thedavidcook and we are having the time of our lives...

From Neal: Theyre doing this from the same car folks.

And then some people in my timeline are like "Poor David". Um, what? Seems to me like they're having fun.
 

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I think they have a partnership with Oprah so it's not unknown in the US, it just has a much, much greater profile here.

Thanks, SleepinIn, I have heard of Free The Children, of course! It's very well known. I didn't know that was related to We Day, in Canada. I'm pretty sure we have nothing called We Day in the US. Also, I was a bit confused about "Me To We Day" vs. just "We Day," but I see from Wikipedia that the name was changed in 2009. So now I get it.

http://www.ontaponline.com/2010/10/music/living-like-a-musician/

I'm pretty sure you guys have seen this, from Cale's twitter party today:

I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t recently heard plans of a third single
that’s all I’m saying you little rascals!

ETA: Yup, you did!

Haha, SleepinIn, my favorite part of that LLWD video was the kid at the end yelling, "Don't leave!"

About 5:30 today during the commuter hour show on Mix104.1, they played Live Like We're Dying. I started thinking about what a good third single ??????? would be (I'm not going to say the title. Don't want to jinx it.) And then got home later and saw Cale's tweet.
 
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David, Lee and Neal cracked me up on twitter. LOL. I would've loved to have been in the car to hear what they were saying to each other. :)

Also, I was a bit confused about "Me To We Day" vs. just "We Day,"

Me to We. We Day. I find the name confusing too.

(I'm not going to say the title. Don't want to jinx it.) And then got home later and saw Cale's tweet.

EEE!!!! I won't say it either.. just in case. But, I know of what you speak. But really any 3rd single, I'd be happy about.. Cale's twitter party was funny. I love Cale, I really do.
 

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But really any 3rd single, I'd be happy about..

Even Lifetime? I'm all for jinxing Lifetime. Lifetime, Lifetime, Lifetime. Oh, no! Maybe now this will cause the reverse effect and they'll actually choose Lifetime?!?!
 

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Even Lifetime? I'm all for jinxing Lifetime. Lifetime, Lifetime, Lifetime. Oh, no! Maybe now this will cause the reverse effect and they'll actually choose Lifetime?!?!

****! Now you've done it. It's going to be Lifetime. And Jon Foreman will duet on it.

But really any 3rd single, I'd be happy about.

I don't think I will ever be as accepting as you are. So Buddhist!! There are only a few, well, only one I'd be happy about. The others, I'd be perhaps mildly happy, but I would be a bit worried.

Have you considered it might be Heartless? I doubt it very much, but just a warning, in the spirit of being prepared for anything. :p

YouTube - Kris Allen USO
 

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Even Lifetime? I'm all for jinxing Lifetime. Lifetime, Lifetime, Lifetime. Oh, no! Maybe now this will cause the reverse effect and they'll actually choose Lifetime?!?!

OMG! How to jinx it? To say or not to say? I'm so conflicted. Do. Not. Want. Lifetime. (there jinxed it. Maybe.. argh!!!)

****! Now you've done it. It's going to be Lifetime. And Jon Foreman will duet on it.

Only if they give Jon the poker face line.

ETA: You beat me to CT !! (sound is excellent!) :)

Have you considered it might be Heartless? I doubt it very much, but just a warning, in the spirit of being prepared for anything.

It might be, but I think the time passed. They could have done it I think and it might have been successful, but then Kanye and Taylor and the Fray.. and Kris didn't like that version.. and yet it STILL get's airplay.

Did you see Chris Nizzle (LOL) is opening for the solo shows for KAB? I enjoy when they get together. Fun things happen.

also the pigotts are now managed by Jake Gold.. good thing? bad thing? discuss. I think it's good. Jake has a lot of contacts.
 

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Oh man, I hadn't even thought about a duet with Jon Foreman. Now for sure it will happen. The idea is out there in the universe.

also the pigotts are now managed by Jake Gold.. good thing? bad thing? discuss. I think it's good. Jake has a lot of contacts.

I think it's a good thing. I'm pretty sure though that Oliver tweeted a while ago (like several months ago) that he was managed by Jake. But I guess he was just talking about himself and now Jake is also managing the brothers as a duet (or with their band).
 

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Did you see Chris Nizzle (LOL) is opening for the solo shows for KAB? I enjoy when they get together. Fun things happen.

Not a big C Nizzle fan, myself. His hand-arm gestures alone. I don't know. Maybe he can open for Gokey. (Someone linked to this on another blog. See below.)

They could have done it I think and it might have been successful, but then Kanye and Taylor and the Fray.. and Kris didn't like that version.. and yet it STILL get's airplay.

What does Taylor have to do with Heartless? lol



YouTube - Danny Gokey - T.R.O.U.B.L.E - The Big E
 

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Pictures of Kris visiting wounded soldiers on his USO trip.

As for the third single. I don't think ????? will be chosen, for some reason. It's been strange since the beginning how even though so many people love it, Jive doesn't seem to love it. I have no guesses left as to why. It seems a bizarre missed opportunity for the one song I thought for sure would be a huge, huge hit. Unless I'm wrong and they choose it. Or they intend to make it single #4. (#heyIcandream)

It's like a weird alternate universe version of Idol..

I have the advantage (I guess) of not having watched more than two seasons of Idol. So I didn't miss Paula last season, since I wasn't used to her. And now I doubt I'll miss the others. For me it's more like, each season, the judges change. lol

I always felt Simon was often transparently manipulative, so I'm curious how S. Tyler and JLo will be. I guess I mean, is that the standard, Idol-judge behavior, required by the management - to push an agenda - or was that just something Simon did because he's Simon? These people seem to be making huge money, so I wonder what they're required to do to earn it?
 

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Nice photos..

You know how Danny was my first fave on Idol season 8.. and then we diverged musically? Oh, we're REALLY far apart now. Chris Nizzle is not opening for Danny. I have some Chris on my Ipod. :p

Simon's later years on Idol were awful, I won't miss that Simon at all. I liked how he gave his honest opinion - whether I agreed with it or not. He had a kind of caustic charm. But the disinterested and manipulative Simon I won't miss that guy. I could practically see him thinking about X Factor as he barely watched the show..you could tell he didn't want to be there. And when you're being paid that much.. look alive.

I always felt Simon was often transparently manipulative, so I'm curious how S. Tyler and JLo will be.

Good point. You always knew where you stood with Simon - he didn't really hide his feelings on anything.
 

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Good point. You always knew where you stood with Simon - he didn't really hide his feelings on anything.

Well, I don't really think that was my point, though. I meant I thought Simon was manipulative. I don't think you know where you stand with manipulative people. I'm sure Crystal thought she knew where she stood with him, until he decided to start de-pimping her, for example.

I didn't actually think Simon could be trusted to give his honest opinion. I mean, when it suited his agenda he could give it, but when it didn't, he had to withhold it. I don't think that bothered him too much.

He was also tricky, playing games to distract the audience from other judges' comments when they didn't fit his agenda, and he lied, when it suited him.

I suppose to some extent the same thing must have happened on Canadian Idol, but I got a sense of straight shooting from those judges. I think for the most part there was a refreshing lack of prevarication. I could give lots of examples. With AI you always get the sense of the judges playing games. I never felt that on CI, So either the CI judges were way better actors, or it didn't happen much.

Of course, I'm sure there are things the CI judges had to do to suit the show's agenda, like making sure fans from the Northeast got their one or two contestants in the Top 24 every year (or so I've been told), because a lot those people are such rabid Idol voters.

In other news, I hear some of Cook's fans were unhappy he didn't tweet or otherwise communicate that he was doing some private event in the San Francisco area with Lee. I think I said something here a while ago about Kris's fans expecting him to let them know when he did a private event (also in SF). I don't get fans that have to know everything, or why they think they have a right. It's weird, to me.
 
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I kind of have a different opinion on Simon. To me Simon was pretty transparent. If he liked a contestant you knew it, if he didn't like one - you knew that too. He flip-flopped on Crystal, but really so did I to a certain extent. I look at his nonsense as his boredom with the show, and his boredom with the show has to do with wanting to be making more money and having more control on the X-Factor - which doesn't really seem at all that different from Idol IMO. They should have stuck a fork in him and called him done last year.

I think the thing with the CI production is that it was on a much smaller scale, they didn't have the resources of AI, but they also didn't have to put up with the agenda's of all the multinational corporations, and record labels, and tv networks. Also SO much less media attention. I really don't know how the AI peeps make it through doing all that press.

I think I said something here a while ago about Kris's fans expecting him to let them know when he did a private event (also in SF). I don't get fans that have to know everything, or why they think they have a right. It's weird, to me.


BUT

YouTube - Kris Allen - I Need to Know (The Intersection - Grand Rapids, MI)

I wanna know things too. I'm just plain nosy I think.

ETA: Simon's disrespectful nonsense was still ridiculous.
 

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I wanna know things too. I'm just plain nosy I think.

Yeah, I noticed you didn't really respond the last time I brought that up (about Kris), and at the time I thought: that's 'cause she probably agrees with them, and wants to know where he's going, too. lol

He flip-flopped on Crystal, but really so did I to a certain extent.

See, I saw that as TPTB deciding Crystal had various strikes against her, in their book, as an Idol winner. At first I think it was clear they wanted her to win, maybe even stacked the show with dullards to make sure of it. But then there was the diabetes issue, and the fact that she's independent in a way they might not like to work with. Anyhow, I didn't think Simon flip-flopped because he was honestly reacting to her performances - I think he was just manipulating the audience against her because it had been decided she shouldn't win. This is how I often see the judges on the show - as mouthpieces for the whole show, not just as people making spontaneous judgements.

I really didn't see Simon's playing around during certain comments by Paula, about Kris and/or Allison, as boredom - I saw it as stealing attention and causing an interruption of the flow of positive comments. I mean, I can't prove it but I know that as a fan it was extremely frustrating to see the disrespect to the performer, as well as the derailing of the judging process - with Simon literally interrupting Paula's comments and using up her time, when she was clearly making positive comments - often following positive comments from Randy and Kara, which would have created a momentum. But I can't prove it. And anyway, Kris won, so who really cares at this point? :)
 

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I thought: that's 'cause she probably agrees with them, and wants to know where he's going, too. lol

I do want to know, that doesn't mean I think I should know, and some things you really shouldn't know. Like the wedding pictures for instance. I'm curious about that kind of stuff, but that is a real invasion of privacy to me and it does make me uncomfortable.

ninja comments are fair game however.. what? Kris LOL

YouTube - Kris Allen sings "Man in the Mirror"
 

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ninja comments are fair game however.. what? Kris LOL

^This comment has me completely baffled!!

I do want to know, that doesn't mean I think I should know, and some things you really shouldn't know. Like the wedding pictures for instance. I'm curious about that kind of stuff, but that is a real invasion of privacy to me and it does make me uncomfortable.

That's a good distinction.

Funny, the wedding pictures didn't bother me. I guess because I've seen the wedding pictures of Martin What's-his-name, from Canadian Idol - so there was precedent, maybe? Remember, Martin and his wife had a Scottish-Bahai wedding? I have forgotten his last name, actually.

Was that MITM performance from that club? - I forget the name of that, too.
 

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Oh, thanks - in the meantime I visited another site and found that video. I'm often amazed at what the Europeans like for music.

No backspace issues for me.

That MITM video was good for many reasons but I was esp. enjoying Kris's expressive face. It's great to see someone really thinking about and feeling the words and emotions of a song like that.