Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

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I thought he would have taken this down by now. Maybe it's cached. Anyhow, I just read it. Just putting it up here in case other people haven't seen it.

Kris Allen just released his first single Live Like We’re Dying — and the reception has been great so far. Kris is well liked, and as a fan myself, I am very happy for him. The single will be released on iTunes next week.

There are critics however who say that the song was not original to Kris Allen since the song appeared on the Japanese version of an album by The Script. This is a fair argument, but this is nothing compared to what is really happening behind the scenes: other than Live Like We’re Dying – the rest of Kris Allen’s CD so far is a mess.
People have described it to me as: “It needs a lot of work.” With one track being “a total embarrassment.” The tracks sounded like “bad left-overs from Daughtry’s last album.”
This criticism includes the track I Need To Know which Kris Allen said was his favorite in the album so far.
I’m really worried. I don’t know if Kris and his producer can pull off a stellar album by Nov. 17 with these kinds of advance reactions.
One theory is that since everyone thought that Adam Lambert was going to win, 19E had already commissioned people to write for Adam well before the finale, so Adam has all these songs to choose from. Since Kris Allen’s win came unexpectedly, 19E is now scrambling to get material for him. My feeling is that it may not be enough — and we are going to hear some really terrible songs. Really, this album is turning out to be one of the worst Idol-related albums on record.
I think everyone should send some moral support to Kris Allen on his Twitter now: @KrisAllen4Real.
An Idol album still sells, so I hope some songwriters will come out of the woodwork and write for Kris. It’s still not too late.
Save Kris Allen’s CD! We believe!

He doesn't say here that he himself heard anything. Though maybe he said that somewhere else.

I see what you mean, with the line about songwriters coming out of the woodwork to work for Kris. Probably you're right, SleepinIn. Promoting that guy you mentioned.

Of course, this is just a lot of crap. All of it.

Kris is nice to everyone. He's sort of a people-pleaser. From Simon onward it seems people want to needle him or pick at him. Maybe because he doesn't react. He literally seems to turn the other cheek. It seems to infuriate some people. I don't know if that explains it, I really can't figure it out.

 

[missaddicted]

Thanks for posting it ross. I didn't really read it though. I just don't want to. I've got enough in my plate in "real life" right now, so I don't really want to be too mad about what Rickey wrote. Rickey is a non-entity for me and I couldn't care less about what he thinks or about whatever he might've heard or not. Too bad he had to direct this at Kris. Seriously, who does he think he is? Somebody should bring him back to earth, because he's just deluded in thinking he's this important character. Which, no. Sorry, Rickey, you're just one of us invested Idol fans.

 

[missaddicted]

May I change the subject for just a second? Some fans on Cook's official forum are posting pretty deep things about a subject that fascinates me: how invested is too invested. Yesterday after the pork chops pictures, there was again an outburst of "OMG, he's so perfect! OMG, he can cook" (not talking about me here, I was more "whatever, he's bored" about it). Somebody posted this, which I think is really well said and doesn't only apply to David at all:

There's a fine line between fanaticism and appreciation. Heck. Its interesting timing for the article to come out in the midst of this discussion with Dave saying, "If everybody hated me, it would be a problem. If everybody loved me, it would be a problem. I like the fact that there's a battle line there. If I did what I had to do to please everybody, I'd probably be a pretty miserable person."

Maybe its hard for humans to love and appreciation a public figure without putting them on a pedestal. Since we only know their public persona, its so easy to paint them as a one dimensional figure, and one stone rests very easily on another to make a pedestal. After all, flesh and blood, flawed humans are really only knowable in intimate relationships, and even then, its not a given. So, I guess its only natural when a group of appreciators comes together, it amplifies the person of their affection with their collective imaginings. And presto, boingo, bingo - a perfect rock star is born!

Hey, I know that I'm impressed on how Dave navigates this journey. And I love many of his traits evidenced by his actions. But, human, he is. He is not perfect, even though so many of his fans keep on using that word. Personally, it makes me cringe. Because, the more you reinforce that idea, the higher the pedestal, the further the inevitable crash will be. I like to avoid trauma/drama whenever possible and I see this as easily avoidable.

Pork chops as cute? Well, not as a vegetarian. And even then. The man knows he's got some attention, he's proud of the fact that he can cook a good tasting and looking meal as he hasn't had much experience doing so. Sometimes, maybe always, the truth is mundane. Of course, the mundane can always be illuminated but I'm always a proponent of sharing the light. If we can lift Dave's meal into the sublime, let's lift all of our meals to that same degree. Spread the wealth around. Maybe your neighbor was just as proud of some little challenge they took on and overcame. Shining the spotlight solely on Dave, leaves everyone and everything else in the dark.

Ultimately, I think we cling to the Davecam so much because we're concerned if we lessen our grip, all future success will falter. I'm as guilty of this as anyone. But really, I know that we can be as effective supporters and fans without the neediness. Appreciation without attachment - a worthy goal. Somehow we can manage to find right balance with our Dave appreciation and with all the other worthy aspects of our life and world that also invite us in. Fully participating in the inevitable changing seasons and the cyclic ebb and flow are all means to restoring that balance.

 

[SleepinIn]

That is a nice post missaddicted. That person has got a point - no one is perfect. Sometimes Idol fans (me too) get way too emotionally involved - it's like a personal quest or something.

Idol is such a weird thing isn't it? There are literally hundreds of singers and bands I follow that I don't worry if they don't get their deserved airplay - I just enjoy them when I hear them.

 

[missaddicted]

Idol is such a weird thing isn't it? There are literally hundreds of singers and bands I follow that I don't worry if they don't get their deserved airplay - I just enjoy them when I hear them.

I know right? I mean, I couldn't possibly imagine having the emotional investment that I have in Idols like David and Kris for other singers and bands. It just wouldn't be possible. And even then, I like to detach myself from all of that sometimes because while David and Kris are real people, they're not part of my "real life". I'd say that both you and ross are even more part of my real life, because even though the contact is only virtual, the communication goes both ways. David and Kris don't know I exist (and I'm perfectly content that way) so, while loving the connection that I have with them both, I wouldn't want for that connection to become stronger than connections I have to people in my "real life". Yes, I'm slightly obsessed, but I'm pretty sure I'm aware that there are some boundaries that I just don't want to cross. Some fans can be scary sometimes.

 

[SleepinIn]

I wouldn't want for that connection to become stronger than connections I have to people in my "real life". Yes, I'm slightly obsessed, but I'm pretty sure I'm aware that there are some boundaries that I just don't want to cross. Some fans can be scary sometimes.

This is a really good point. Yes, there are Boundaries (see - I'm feeling better I can joke about No Boundaries again) and they are very, very important.

The Chatty hotel.. still loves it some Kris. Ninja Idol. Just sayin.

@Colonnade @PaulaAbdul @krisallen4real had so many nice things 2 say about U while here in Boston. Such a classy individual.

 

[ross 1]

I'm not really feeling better, yet! Sorry, I only read that post of Rickey's about two and a half hours ago. I guess I'm a day behind everybody.

Can you give me the Collonade's twitter name? I couldn't find it. (ETA: Okay, I just saw your post. Was spelling it wrong.)

I see Kris un-followed Rickey.

I need to be talked down. :angryfire: Am very angry. Any volunteers?

 

[SleepinIn]

Seriously Ross - This one I totally get. I was sooo mad. (still kinda mad but .. working it out) An all day kind of mad. I actually read it last night.. and was so mad.. like all night and day. SEEEETHING mad. I was not kidding about that. I'm glad Kris unfollowed - since so did I. He crossed the line there.

You just got to let it go though.. breathe in, and breathe out. Kris is a talented guy. We know that. He told us himself that there were things that they worked on that didn't work out. It happens.

Plus Kris just tweeted that he worked with Mike Elizondo today... !!! And he's gonna be on Seacrest's show tomorrow morning. It's all gonna work out.

 

[missaddicted]

Maybe because I didn't really read his post, but I can't say I'm that mad. A little angry at Rickey, but not more. Let me explain. First, good for Kris that he stopped following Rickey, he doesn't need Rickey's stupidity in his life. At the same time, I'm sure Kris the Ninja can realize that Rickey was just that: stupid. That he's not taking whatever he said personally. I mean, Kris has received his share of horrible comments and will continue to receive them. Kris, by all accounts, seems happy about the direction his music is going in, why would he put any importance on what Rickey had to say?

OK, I just read his post. And honestly, I laughed. It's ridiculous. Like RIDICULOUS! I can't get mad over whatever that creepy guy wrote. Yes, it was insensitive to ask people to send moral support to Kris and especially to write all of that knowing that Kris would read it. Or did he know? I mean, the guy's an idiot. I'm sure Kris wasn't happy that he read that, but the Ninja won't let it affect him. It came from the non-entity that is Rickey. I'm sure that there are more important people in Kris's life than Rickey who can give him advice and whose opinion he listens to.

I don't know maybe I'm missing something, but I'm still taking this with a grain of salt. As Rickey said himself, the reception for LLWD has been great so far, why would it not continue? Kris has been working with plenty of writers, he doesn't writers to come out of the woodwork to rescue Kris. And he didn't need to have "material" already ready for him when he won. I'm sure he prefers participating in the making of his album than having material ready for him. I don't know, it's just a post full of crap, I think Kris might have just brushed it off (after the initial surprise) like he does with so many things and like he will need to continue doing.

 

[ross 1]

Thanks, SleepinIn. I wasn't following Rickey, so, no unfollow necessary.

We know that. He told us himself that there were things that they worked on that didn't work out. It happens.

Um, see, I don't think Kris probably did anything that sucked. Who knows who said what? What it's really about is Rickey. You don't suddenly bash someone that you've been supporting all along without some kind of selfish motive. Hits for his blog? Maybe. Maybe more personal. Maybe he's hot for this Jared Cotter dude (who he referred to on his blog as a "hottie"). Usually bad behavior is motivated by something embarrassing to admit. The so-called baser feelings like envy, greed, lust, whatever. I don't know why, but that's usually the case. Hope that doesn't sound too stupid.

 

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I'm sure Kris wasn't happy that he read that, but the Ninja won't let it affect him. It came from the non-entity that is Rickey. I'm sure that there are more important people in Kris's life than Rickey who can give him advice and whose opinion he listens to.

I wasn't all that worried about Kris. I would think it'd piss him off, he's human. But I was just pissed that this guy, who's supposedly an Idol supporter, would publicly -- and without any obvious reason -- print stuff so damning. Did you notice the cattiness of it, though? It could have been written by one of those crazy Adam fans who post responses under articles about Kris. I mean, nobody would have expected Rickey to have done this.

My feeling is that it may not be enough — and we are going to hear some really terrible songs. Really, this album is turning out to be one of the worst Idol-related albums on record.

That's inexcusable. The guy could not possibly have any warm feeings towards Kris and still write stuff like that. He sounds a lot like someone who had a bad crush and got scorned.

 

[SleepinIn]

I think Kris might have just brushed it off (after the initial surprise) like he does with so many things and like he will need to continue doing.

I think you're probably right about that. Thank goodness. Truthfully, he's probably heard much worse already.

You don't suddenly bash someone that you've been supporting all along without some kind of selfish motive.

Yep.

But, I'm letting it go. 'Cause.. the single is out.... very, very soon..

 

[missaddicted]

He sounds a lot like someone who had a bad crush and got scorned.

Oh yeah. He definitely sounds like he just wanted to get back at Kris or his fans for one reason or another. Which is what makes it totally ridiculous to me, because it comes from this guy who has absolutely no credibility whatsoever and whose only 15 minutes of fame come from having a somewhat popular Idol blog.

 

[ross 1]

Okay, I'm sort of over it now. Also called my mom. lol.

 

[missaddicted]

Okay, I'm sort of over it now. Also called my mom. lol.

Good!

Cook is twitter partying right now. Get the guy back on the road, he's bored!

 

[SleepinIn]

See we just have to talk each other down from the ledge. It's all good.

Alex Band just tweeted Kris too.. sayin that he has more songs for him.

 

[ross 1]

Hey, you know what? They were talking about Jacob and Hedley in the headlines thread of mj's blog today (along with this Rickey crap. That's actually what I was originally doing there -- reading about Jacob. Then I happened upon the other comments).

(I'm not totally over that crap, yet though. I'll let you know.)

Someone linked to the Cha-Ching video, and then somone linked to Space Oddity (I wanted to, but couldn't find it. Seems like the good version of it was taken down. There's one misspelled "Space Odity" that's pretty poor quality that's still on YouTube. That was the one that someone linked to).

People seemed to like Jacob. One person said (correctly) Adam could never be called OTT as long as there is Jacob.

 

[missaddicted]

Wow, songwriters coming out of the woodwork to rescue Kris!

*snerk*

 

[ross 1]

Wow, songwriters coming out of the woodwork to rescue Kris!
*snerk*

He needs to be rescued from the internet, if you ask me.

You know, I can never feel too sorry for Kris because, after all, he has that smokin' hot wife. Just sayin.'

 

[missaddicted]

Well, Kris just tweeted that LLWD was on iTunes, but I can't find it yet in the Canadian iTunes store... SleepinIn?