Canadian Conservatives: Friendly to America

Jersay

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HAMILTON, Ontario - The leader of Canada's front-running Conservative party said Thursday he would stand up to the White House on matters of national interest, but do so without insulting "our biggest customer."

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Stephen Harper, whose party is poised to end 13 years of Liberal Party rule when Canadians go to the polls in three days, said the Conservatives would strive to improve relations with Canada's "closest ally" if they win Monday's national vote.

Prime Minister Paul Martin has warned traditionally liberal Canadians that Harper poses as a moderate but supports the U.S. effort in Iraq, opposes abortion and would overturn laws approving gay marriage.

The U.S. and Canada comprise one of the world's largest economic blocs, with $1.5 billion in daily trade, but relations have grown frosty in the last year.

Canada's current Liberal government opposes the war in Iraq and Martin infuriated the Bush administration by opting out of its proposed continental anti-ballistic missile shield. Ottawa routinely rebukes Washington over its lumber tariffs and refusal to join the Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse gases.

Harper's Conservatives have held a solid lead over the Liberals in the polls in the last campaign stretch before Canadians elect a new leader and the 308-seat House of Commons.

"I think that we should obviously have good relations whenever possible with our closest ally and our biggest customer," Harper said Thursday. "I would hope to talk to the president very closely to start us on that track. But that's not going to take us off fighting on specific Canadian interests."

Canada insists the U.S. is violating the North American Free Trade Agreement by imposing stiff penalties on Canadian lumber.

Canadians typically love it when their leaders stand up to the U.S., but many have grown weary of the verbal sparring.

"I think people are angry, they're fed up," said Steve Belitzky, 60, a Montreal businessman who plans to vote Conservative for the first time.

On Thursday, Martin painted his Conservative rivals as "extreme" right-wingers and said Harper intended to stack the Supreme Court with conservative judges.

"This is no abstract issue; we have a vacancy to be filled on the Supreme Court bench," Martin said. "Never have we seen a major political party with such a conservative agenda as this one — an agenda really drawn from the extreme right in the United States."

Martin insists Harper supports the war in Iraq, which most Canadians disdain. Harper has said Ottawa was right not to send troops to Iraq, but should have publicly offered Washington its moral support in the war.

Harper said Thursday he wants to elevate Canada's military capacity, another demand from the U.S. and NATO allies, who grumble that Canada spends too little on defense.

"The biggest thing I want to do on foreign policy is to increase Canada's foreign policy capacities, whether they be in foreign aid, or military capacity or disaster assistance," Harper said. "We want Canada to be able to do more."

Martin last year pledged more than $10.9 billion to beef up the Canadian military; Harper has pledged an additional $5 billion over the next five years.

Martin insisted Thursday the race was not over and he predicted that progressive voters would flock to the polls to keep the Conservatives out of power.

"We are on the march," he said
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Hank C

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What kind of relationship will we have if that idiot who goes by the name Paul Martin get re-elected. It is sad when it becomes a requirement to "bash Americans" to get elected in this country. It is not going to serve in Canada's best interests if there is a icy relationship between the two nations for the next three years.
 

nomore

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Hank C, you are exactly right. I'm not sure where this notion came from that makes Canadians think that "bashing the Americans" is the only true way to show pride in Canada. It actually kinda makes me mad, since I happen to have many friends in the U.S.

When will people realize that Canada's economy is only as strong as it is, because of the Americans. Without them Canada would be nothing.

The company I work for, which is fully owned and operated as a Canadian company, does approximatly 75% of it's business with the U.S. And without contracts from them, our company would not survive. Many of our contracts are U.S. government contracts as well, so the possibility of us loosing those contracts is very real, if Canada, U.S relations die.

Just because Bush is a moron, dosen't mean the rest of Americans are, in fact it is quite the opposite.

We need the U.S more than they need us. So Canadians should really think twice about the mob mentality of bashing the Americans.
 

nitzomoe

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RE: Canadian Conservative

Rather have Martin's or even Laytons foreign policy than Harpers, recently Stockwell day was at the Munk Center at uoft and it was noted that Day has a great chance at leading foreign policy if harper is elected.

Stockwell day's foreign policy is already too well known and deplorable at best.
 

nomore

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Re: RE: Canadian Conservative

nitzomoe said:
Rather have Martin's or even Laytons foreign policy than Harpers

Yeah your right, lets piss off our trading partners more. Not to mention the U.N and NATO. :?
 

Karlin

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A Conservative government after the upcoming federal election will leave us with
cuts to social programs,
privatised health care,
less action to reduce GG emissions,
bowing to the Americans on marijuana reform and missle defence,
.... and re-doing old battles on Supreme Court powers, French language protection, same-sex marriage and even abortion.

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I found this from an article in 2005 :

Harper is too prone to follow the U.S. lead on defence policy.
Mr. Harper believes it would have been right to send troops to Iraq, it would be right to support the Americans on ballistic missile defence."

A recent column in the right-wing Washington Times declaring that Harper is a true "social conservative," would be Bush's best ally if he became prime minister, and is "pro-Iraq war."

Harper on several occasions in 2003 blasted Chretien's decision to not join the U.S. and Britain in Iraq, and said he'd support Canada joining Bush's missile shield initiative.

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K - I can't understand where these high polling numbers for them coming from Quebec - of all places,it seems non-conservative socially and politically. But thats where they are getting lots of this new support for thsee polls

It could just be media spin, the Liberals campaign have run out of money, I hear, so they cant pay to keep Harper's polling numbers low!!! lol its possible [sponsorship scandal]


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Jersay

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The polls were bogus.

The COnservatives nationally only have 35-38% support. Only six points ahead of the Liberals. In Quebec I think they are in the mid-twenties.
 

bluealberta

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A Conservative government after the upcoming federal election will leave us with
cuts to social programs,
privatised health care,
less action to reduce GG emissions,
bowing to the Americans on marijuana reform and missle defence,
.... and re-doing old battles on Supreme Court powers, French language protection, same-sex marriage and even abortion.

Gee, I think you must have forgotten child labor laws being repealed, women and natives losing the right to vote, women being banned from night clubs without escorts, etc.

Don't you guys ever get tired of baseless fearmongering, and outright lies about Conservatives and their supporters? Get a grip, the sun will still come up on Tuesday with Prime Minister Harper, the grass will still grow in Vancouver at this time of the year, and everywhere else in Canada later in the year, and the sun will still shine in some part of the country, anyway. I get so tired of the left demonizing those of us on the right. It gets really old, really quick. Get over yourselves.
 

Jersay

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The right does the same to the left. And Harper is shooting himself in the foot by being disappointed about being bound by checks and balances.

And not wanting to get into the abortion issue, because he knows he will lose.
 

ShinEmperor

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I'm new to the board and I recently joined because of the election. I'm glad to be here :D . I'm voting Liberal because of Harper's cozying up to the Americans. The war in Iraq was a HUGE moral issue for me and Canada staying out of the war, was in my mind, a good idea. I'm not for war. Harper wanted to support the United States and I cringe at the idea of dead Canadians for an American cause. I just can't accept that. Liberal's may be using money in wrong ways, and here we are counting the dollars... I prefer to count lost dollars than lost lives... I just can't vote for any government that wants war.
 

Finder

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Re: RE: Canadian Conservatives: Friendly to America

Hank C said:
What kind of relationship will we have if that idiot who goes by the name Paul Martin get re-elected. It is sad when it becomes a requirement to "bash Americans" to get elected in this country. It is not going to serve in Canada's best interests if there is a icy relationship between the two nations for the next three years.

I don't think this race should be against Bush bashers or bush.... f@ckers. But there really should be a middle ground. Look Canada doesn't need to agree with everything the USA says, does or want, but at the same time we don't always have to disagree with them either. I don't think Paul Martin has done a bad job here but not a good one either. *shrugs*
 

nomore

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Karlin said:
A Conservative government after the upcoming federal election will leave us with
cuts to social programs,
privatised health care,
less action to reduce GG emissions,
bowing to the Americans on marijuana reform and missle defence,
.... and re-doing old battles on Supreme Court powers, French language protection, same-sex marriage and even abortion.

You forgot to mention he wants to kill all the puppies too. And I think there was a quote where he said he wants to pull the ears off of bunny rabbits. Here is a quote from him too "I want to kill your babies!"
(source: "some obscure source no-one has heard of")

Your comments were just about as rediculous as my first paragraph. You really have no idea what you are talking about. Your comments are so far away from the truth, and I am scared to see that there are such uninformed people voting in this election. Have you read the conservative policy? Rather than just taking the liberal ads, and propoganda as fact, do some independant research.
 

nomore

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ShinEmperor said:
I'm new to the board and I recently joined because of the election. I'm glad to be here :D . I'm voting Liberal because of Harper's cozying up to the Americans. The war in Iraq was a HUGE moral issue for me and Canada staying out of the war, was in my mind, a good idea. I'm not for war. Harper wanted to support the United States and I cringe at the idea of dead Canadians for an American cause. I just can't accept that. Liberal's may be using money in wrong ways, and here we are counting the dollars... I prefer to count lost dollars than lost lives... I just can't vote for any government that wants war.

1. Harper has now said he agrees with the governments decision to not go into Iraq

2. Whether you like it or not, Canadian troops did go into Iraq..just not highly publisized, since it would have made the liberals look bad.

3.Paul Martin as Finance minister wanted to support the states in their war.

4. No party or government in Canada wants to go to war...I'm not sure where you got that one from.