I'm sorry, but his wife, a citizen now in Canada, waiting for her husband because this has delayed him, has a right to question it.
Canada's immigration policy bans common Sikh names
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I'm sorry, but his wife, a citizen now in Canada, waiting for her husband because this has delayed him, has a right to question it.
I would have to agree there, but this whole thing bugs the hell out of me. Surely to God we have the right to make our own rules. Canada is an attractive place to immigrate to and we should not be changing the rules to suit immigrants. Our culture and traditions have taken a beating in recent years. Remember the Sikh who just had to wear a turban in the RCMP...........and we let him
"I'm sorry, but his wife, a citizen now in Canada, waiting for her husband because this has delayed him, has a right to question it."
I'm sorry too...This same wife came here under prior rules and she knew what the game was. Did she not? And we have the right to question any department ruling that seems to bend not to national but special interest.
I'm sorry too...This same wife came here under prior rules and she knew what the game was. Did she not? And we have the right to question any department ruling that seems to bend not to national but special interest.
Surely we do have the right to make our own rules, yes. But don't we also have the right to change them when we see that a practise we have is injurious to the identity of our newest citizens? Yes, this couple have been the squeaky wheel, but it's not as if they're the first family to feel offended by the policy. And if the policy is poorly written, poorly implemented, and poorly designed, then why not listen to the squeaky wheel? As someone else said, why aren't they assigned case numbers instead? Cut through the confusion. It would be simpler than name changes, and maintain the integrity of their personal identity. Besides, a name change isn't a magic bullet... you'll still get overlap in the names chosen.
Apparently she did not, as her last name is Kaur. She immigrated as Kaur. Why would she know such a thing when they didn't make her do it? The news program I saw on it pointed out that these letters rarely go out, asking for a name change, and it's unclear why one did in his case.
I'll have to read the Star and Globe take on it. Both papers are sitting on my table. Usually, the Globe offers better insight but I'll suspend judgment for now. My point from the beginning here has been to insist on protecting Canadian sovereignty and protocol. Very few countries in the world are in the business of letting others make their decisions.
They have their rules. Just because Joe Immigrant whines about it doesn't make it wrong. But if whining is allowed, here's mine:
When my wife moved here from America, Immigration Canada made my pregnant wife take an X-ray so she could be cleared of TB (America being the hotbead of infectious diseases and all). They mader here take a second X-ray (still pregnant) when they saw the metal rod in her back on the first X-ray. I too was a Canadian citizen waiting for my American wife to be granted landed status. The second X-ray delayed the OHIP start date until after the birth of my son which cost me thousands of dollars in healthcare fees (it would have been lots more (almost double) too but I convinced the hospital to charge me resident-uninsured rates rather than non-resident). Immigration Canada sucks, and then you get admitted. Its a fact of life. You didn't see my story plastered all over the newspapers.
When does one get to stop being Joe immigrant?
His wife is a Canadian citizen by law. She has every right, in my eyes, to complain and question.
You would have too. If Canadian immigration is implementing policies which put your unborn child at risk, you have a right to complain. I wouldn't have dismissed it if it hit the news.
IRBS:
Are you saying Immigration Canada was in conspiracy with health care providers to bilk you of thousands?
Are you saying we shouldn't screen for infectious diseases before admitting immigrants?
Are you saying a metal rod (presumably unexplained) embedded in ones' body isn't cause for further examination?
Merely seeking the depth of understanding. . .
Pangloss
Are you saying Immigration Canada was in conspiracy with health care providers to bilk you of thousands?
Are you saying we shouldn't screen for infectious diseases before admitting immigrants?
Are you saying a metal rod (presumably unexplained) embedded in ones' body isn't cause for further examination?
Merely seeking the depth of understanding. . .
Pangloss
This seems to be a variation of the "I've got mine, so bugger off" argument.
A developer is someone who wants a house in the country; an environmentalist is someone who has one.
There are an awful lot of environmentalists here. . ."I'm already here, and who gives a darn if our rules are exclusionary, or unfair or rude or racist or whatever - it's our country and we can be whatever kind of jerk we want." That sure doesn't sound like Canada to me.
This is about bad manners, racism and unequal treatment - we ought to thank those who pointed out our bad behaviour and gave us the opportunity to fix the mistake.
Is gratitude and a little embarrassment too much to ask of Canadians?
Pangloss
A developer is someone who wants a house in the country; an environmentalist is someone who has one.
There are an awful lot of environmentalists here. . ."I'm already here, and who gives a darn if our rules are exclusionary, or unfair or rude or racist or whatever - it's our country and we can be whatever kind of jerk we want." That sure doesn't sound like Canada to me.
This is about bad manners, racism and unequal treatment - we ought to thank those who pointed out our bad behaviour and gave us the opportunity to fix the mistake.
Is gratitude and a little embarrassment too much to ask of Canadians?
Pangloss
" Is gratitude and a little embarrassment too much to ask of Canadians?"
How many times do you want us to be grateful? How much embarrassment do you think we should suffer?
You're not attempting a rewrite on the latest edition of political correctness, are you?
How many times do you want us to be grateful? How much embarrassment do you think we should suffer?
You're not attempting a rewrite on the latest edition of political correctness, are you?
Ya know what, if I head out the door without a bit of forethought, I end up blinded. I get vicious headaches, and my optic nerves swell, and I end up seeing the entire world through a blur. There are times it means I can't even drive myself home, and I'll have to call my hubby or a cab to come rescue me. It's embarassing, but it's totally my fault. So if I keep walking out the door without thinking ahead and grabbing my sun glasses, should I expect the rest of the world to ignore the fact that I've been a dumbazz?
Or do I accept the fact that I will be embarassed precisely the number of times I do something stupid? To expect other people to not say a word about my stupidity, just because I've reached some imagined limit of complaints, would be ridiculous.
You read my words the way you want to read them tamarin.
And why would I need my license revoked? It's not a sudden onset thing, it's fully preventable, and I never drive if I can't see. If we pull the license of every person out there who has a medical condition that could crop up and impair their driving, then next to no one would have a license.
Tamarin:
Is it the heat? Why so snippy? If you disagree - do so with a reason and we'll have something to talk about and maybe I'll agree with you.
BTW - maybe it is the heat - there are posters on a couple of other threads who seem a little short-tempered today. . .
Pangloss
Is it the heat? Why so snippy? If you disagree - do so with a reason and we'll have something to talk about and maybe I'll agree with you.
BTW - maybe it is the heat - there are posters on a couple of other threads who seem a little short-tempered today. . .
Pangloss
I never said anything about conspiracies. Certainly infectious diseases should be screened for if the previous country is at risk for them. But she was already living in Canada (visitor visa). If she was infectious, well, the cat was already out of the bag.
It was explained when asked. They had their rules though. They wanted an X-ray not an explaination.
We could have refused to have th X-ray but that would have delayed the process until after the birth of my son. At the time we were racing against the 3 month clock on OHIP so we complied. It turned out it didn't make any difference but at the time it was the choice we had to make.
The name policy, according to the Globe, was ten years old. In that case it came in under the sponsorship of the Liberal Party, hardly an organization Canadians have come to think of as possibly racist.
What would be useful here is to clarify how the predisposition to using Singh or Kaur as a surname in Sikh society overseas affects the administration of documents and other social and political amenities there. When a person's key documents are mislaid or stolen, how is the situation addressed there? How is identity confirmed when applying for whatever needs to be applied for?
Reminds me of the kirpan brouhaha here. Although the ceremonial dagger is legally worn to schools here now, an investigative report of the period confirmed that the kirpan is not allowed in schools over there. That should have waved an appropriate flag somewhere...
What would be useful here is to clarify how the predisposition to using Singh or Kaur as a surname in Sikh society overseas affects the administration of documents and other social and political amenities there. When a person's key documents are mislaid or stolen, how is the situation addressed there? How is identity confirmed when applying for whatever needs to be applied for?
Reminds me of the kirpan brouhaha here. Although the ceremonial dagger is legally worn to schools here now, an investigative report of the period confirmed that the kirpan is not allowed in schools over there. That should have waved an appropriate flag somewhere...
That would be the part I was referring to. Immigration Canada, I would imagine, wouldn't give a hoot about whether or not you had to pay for childbirthing services.
I agree, the timing sucks. But timing, like dancing, takes two.
Pangloss