Canada Needs Another Political party

Jay

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Yes, I was going to mention something about your avatar making you look fat, but after some of the things people have called you around here, I didn't want to tip you over the edge.

See I like that dog; I like that monster. I like that post-industrial, post-modern crypto-fascist politically incorrect male cocka-rocka Warpig. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that I can't say I've ever felt before.

8O :D
 

MMMike

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Doryman said:
Oh piss off. So migrant workers who build your cities, supply your lumber, keep your trains running and work like dogs for nine months of the year are vllified as soon as they go home to see their families. Obviously they should continue to live in work camps. Then maybe some Torontonians might like them!

Most of these workers don't want to be construction workers sparky. They have homes and mortgages back in Newfoundland they need to pay off because they mistakenly believed they could live like the rest of Canada. Most have boats and equipment they are paying off, since the Government obviously believes Portuguese, Russian, French and Spanish fishermen deserve more work then Newfies.

Oh sure, they could work in the mill (closed), the mines (closed), the shipbuilding industry ( bought out so international companies could have less competition), or the Fish Processing Facilities (wait, the chinese work for peanuts, don't they? Closed). But..wait. It looks like Canada has decided that Newfoundlanders are more profitable when they're out of work. Who else is going to do the shit jobs for cheap? Who else is going to fill the ranks of our military?

Tell you what. Give Newfoundland what she wants. Let us re-negotiate the horribly lopsided Liberal orchestrated cash cow upper Churchill deal with Quebec. Let us keep the profits of our oil platforms instead of sending them to Ottawa, to be converted into pared down "equalization" payents. Let us chase out the foreign supertrawlers and reinstate a Newfoundland fishery that employs actual Newfoundlanders! An inshore fishery that realizes catching adult fish is a better plan than trawling spawning grounds. Then you can keep you bloody handouts.

Waaaah wwahhhh! Suck it up. Stop whining about how you guys are victims and take care of yourselves. Why should the taxpayer give these people a four or five month paid vacation??? Are they 'entitled to their entitlements'??? The EI program should be a backstop for people temporarily out of work, not a gravy train that allows people to work for only a few months of the year.

It is not the governments role to create jobs for you. Create your own jobs or go somewhere were there are jobs. There was no opportunity for me in the Maritimes, so I packed up and left for greener pastures. I didn't sit on my ass waiting for a handout. Last one out please turn out the lights!
 

Jay

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I get the distinct feeling that people from out East are fighting amongst themselves more than West versus East Canadian politics....
 

Calberty

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Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

bruju said:
It is better to have a hen tomorrow than an egg today

It's even better to have a rooster and a hen tomorrow than an egg today.

Unless of course, it's a whooping crane or California condor egg and it hatches to add another member to an endangered species.
 

Nosferax

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Doryman said:
No kidding. You hear Paul Martin campaigning in Atlantic Canada promising improvements in EI?? Every election, never fails, if the Libs need votes out east, they sweeten the pot for the folks on the dole. I'm from N.B., there are tons of people for whom that is there way of life - work summers, get their hours, then take the rest of the year off. Rinse, lather, repeat. I work in the construction industry in T.O., which has a lot of Newfie labourers. These guys know to the minute when they qualify for enough EI benefits to get them through the winter, and will drop their jackhammers and walk off site. Of course the companies play along and pretend they were 'laid off" when in reality there is still plenty of work around. :twisted:


Oh piss off. So migrant workers who build your cities, supply your lumber, keep your trains running and work like dogs for nine months of the year are vllified as soon as they go home to see their families. Obviously they should continue to live in work camps. Then maybe some Torontonians might like them!

Most of these workers don't want to be construction workers sparky. They have homes and mortgages back in Newfoundland they need to pay off because they mistakenly believed they could live like the rest of Canada. Most have boats and equipment they are paying off, since the Government obviously believes Portuguese, Russian, French and Spanish fishermen deserve more work then Newfies.

Oh sure, they could work in the mill (closed), the mines (closed), the shipbuilding industry ( bought out so international companies could have less competition), or the Fish Processing Facilities (wait, the chinese work for peanuts, don't they? Closed). But..wait. It looks like Canada has decided that Newfoundlanders are more profitable when they're out of work. Who else is going to do the shit jobs for cheap? Who else is going to fill the ranks of our military?

Tell you what. Give Newfoundland what she wants. Let us re-negotiate the horribly lopsided Liberal orchestrated cash cow upper Churchill deal with Quebec. Let us keep the profits of our oil platforms instead of sending them to Ottawa, to be converted into pared down "equalization" payents. Let us chase out the foreign supertrawlers and reinstate a Newfoundland fishery that employs actual Newfoundlanders! An inshore fishery that realizes catching adult fish is a better plan than trawling spawning grounds. Then you can keep you bloody handouts.


No we don't need any more parties.[/quote]

Well if you want to re-negociate Churchill, maybe we could renegotiate the whole of Labrador...

The british take it from us to give it to you in 1763... As a matter of fact they were no british citizen living on that side of the coast at that period. They were French settlement tough. They then give it back to us in 1774... Then an imperial commission gave it back to you in 1809... And up to these day scholar are still arguing if Labrador belong to you or to us.

Oh, and by the way you can have Churchill back if you want. Of course you may have some problem trying to carry all that electricity to the US market without our powerline and right of passage. Churchill ain't the cash cow it used to be. We have way better complex now and more in the work at the moment. I know I work for Hydro-Quebec.
 

Doryman

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Well if you want to re-negociate Churchill, maybe we could renegotiate the whole of Labrador...

The british take it from us to give it to you in 1763... As a matter of fact they were no british citizen living on that side of the coast at that period. They were French settlement tough. They then give it back to us in 1774... Then an imperial commission gave it back to you in 1809... And up to these day scholar are still arguing if Labrador belong to you or to us.

Oh, and by the way you can have Churchill back if you want. Of course you may have some problem trying to carry all that electricity to the US market without our powerline and right of passage. Churchill ain't the cash cow it used to be. We have way better complex now and more in the work at the moment. I know I work for Hydro-Quebec.[/quote]

You forgot to mention that even when Labrador was owned by Quebec, the Governor based there mostly ignored it. It fell to the RN ships ( based out of St. John's) to keep law and order in the area, which is mainly why it fell to Newfoundland later on.


That's the problem, Newfoundland has to give Quebec tons of money to let us build powerlines across the province, but Alberta is legally allowed to build its pipelines anywhere (look it up, folks).Why not give us the same deal?

And as to the Upper Churchill not being a cash cow...the contract Newfoundland is currently in (thanks to the Liberals, actually) manages to net NL 35 million a year from that cash cow.... while Quebec gets 2 billion. 2 billion, every year. C'mon, that's a substantial amount of moolah, for Newfoundland if not for you. If you don't want it fork it over, we'll take it back.


"It is not the governments role to create jobs for you"

It's also not the Government's job to give away our primary resources to other countries, is it? And why is Federal aid to Newfoundland a handout, but that 50 million given to the Softwood lumber industry in BC a... what? "Government action" on a "real Canadian issue"? Come on.

"go somewhere were there are jobs"

Not as easy as you think when you have a house, boat and family to care for. An average NL family can get the money to send the father away to work, but he lives in a crowded apartment or work-camp and sends every available dime back home to support the family. They can't afford to bring up the whole family and live on the mainland, so what do they do? Drown the wife and kids in the harbour?

And don't bother about selling the house. At the moment there's a beautiful Victorian style house in Grand Bank, excellent condition on the Market. 5 bedroom, wraparound patio, huge lawn and meadow, perfect view of the sea. A realtor recently assessed it and stated that it would fetch a price of about 250-300,000 in St. John's, but since it's in an outport, the owners have had to come down from their asking price of 40,000, and there are still no buyers. You can't sell property for any worthwhile money, so you can't build up assets to move away. Really, would anyone with a family want to take away their children from a clean environment, large and comfortable house and safe neighbourhood to live like squatters in a seedy Toronto Ghetto? Not likely. So they suck up their pride and collect some EI, so they can be there for maybe half their kids childhood and provide them a good base to get out and start a better life.