Canada Needs Another Political party

Jay

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For starters...

This party would stand for the end of equalization schemes that don't work, and would have Ontario run it's own fiscal affairs and decide, at it's own leisure, the amounts of money we will give to the other provinces. (If they tow the line of course.)
 

JomZ

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Okay that is one point, but what else?

Most political parties have platforms on issues, or at least a certain ideology. My guess is a conservative one along the lines of the PCs.

One thing would be to strengthen relationships between the provinces too make them more mutual instead of parasitic. Instead of trying to find ways to end equalization, why don’t we work to make the Maritimes more financially independent instead of just cutting them off altogether?

I am an Ontarian as well, and it is sad too see that our province is degrading due to lack of funding. Toronto seems to be the epicenter of this degradation, so maybe an Ontario focused party would be beneficial to the Parliament. We had the Reform, we have the Bloc, why not an Ontario Party.
 

Jay

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Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

JomZ said:
Instead of trying to find ways to end equalization, why don’t we work to make the Maritimes more financially independent instead of just cutting them off altogether?

I'm glad we agree on this party thing.

I found a document about equalization payments being detrimental the "poorer" provinces such as the Maritimes provinces. It reported that equalization payments force poor provinces to keep artificially high taxes in that province. If I can find the document (which I believe I have posted somewhere around here already), I will post it.
 

bruju

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I see Ontario forming a federal party within the next few years, much to the chagrin of the rest of Canada. Since we support and provide the largest portion of taxes to the feds we should aslo be able to decide where and how they are spent. The only way this can happen is with our own party
 

bruju

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Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

I see Ontario forming a federal party within the next few years, much to the chagrin of the rest of Canada. Since we support and provide the largest portion of taxes to the feds we should aslo be able to decide where and how they are spent. The only way this can happen is with our own party[/quote]
 

bruju

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Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

I see Ontario forming a federal party within the next few years, much to the chagrin of the rest of Canada. Since we support and provide the largest portion of taxes to the feds we should aslo be able to decide where and how they are spent. The only way this can happen is with our own party[/quote]
 

the caracal kid

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Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

JomZ said:
Okay that is one point, but what else?

Most political parties have platforms on issues, or at least a certain ideology. My guess is a conservative one along the lines of the PCs.

One thing would be to strengthen relationships between the provinces too make them more mutual instead of parasitic. Instead of trying to find ways to end equalization, why don’t we work to make the Maritimes more financially independent instead of just cutting them off altogether?

I am an Ontarian as well, and it is sad too see that our province is degrading due to lack of funding. Toronto seems to be the epicenter of this degradation, so maybe an Ontario focused party would be beneficial to the Parliament. We had the Reform, we have the Bloc, why not an Ontario Party.

agreed. we do need to redefine the relationships between the provinces. The equalization payment system worked when the provinces were younger, but now it is time for the provinces to stand more independently, economically speaking.

Is the mighty TO that suffering? Maybe it is the rejection curse! If only you had got the olympics money would be flowing into TO. (and maybe that ugly raised highway would be getting removed - my only real dislike of the design and architecture of the TO core)
 

Doryman

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No kidding. You hear Paul Martin campaigning in Atlantic Canada promising improvements in EI?? Every election, never fails, if the Libs need votes out east, they sweeten the pot for the folks on the dole. I'm from N.B., there are tons of people for whom that is there way of life - work summers, get their hours, then take the rest of the year off. Rinse, lather, repeat. I work in the construction industry in T.O., which has a lot of Newfie labourers. These guys know to the minute when they qualify for enough EI benefits to get them through the winter, and will drop their jackhammers and walk off site. Of course the companies play along and pretend they were 'laid off" when in reality there is still plenty of work around. :twisted:[/quote]


Oh piss off. So migrant workers who build your cities, supply your lumber, keep your trains running and work like dogs for nine months of the year are vllified as soon as they go home to see their families. Obviously they should continue to live in work camps. Then maybe some Torontonians might like them!

Most of these workers don't want to be construction workers sparky. They have homes and mortgages back in Newfoundland they need to pay off because they mistakenly believed they could live like the rest of Canada. Most have boats and equipment they are paying off, since the Government obviously believes Portuguese, Russian, French and Spanish fishermen deserve more work then Newfies.

Oh sure, they could work in the mill (closed), the mines (closed), the shipbuilding industry ( bought out so international companies could have less competition), or the Fish Processing Facilities (wait, the chinese work for peanuts, don't they? Closed). But..wait. It looks like Canada has decided that Newfoundlanders are more profitable when they're out of work. Who else is going to do the shit jobs for cheap? Who else is going to fill the ranks of our military?

Tell you what. Give Newfoundland what she wants. Let us re-negotiate the horribly lopsided Liberal orchestrated cash cow upper Churchill deal with Quebec. Let us keep the profits of our oil platforms instead of sending them to Ottawa, to be converted into pared down "equalization" payents. Let us chase out the foreign supertrawlers and reinstate a Newfoundland fishery that employs actual Newfoundlanders! An inshore fishery that realizes catching adult fish is a better plan than trawling spawning grounds. Then you can keep you bloody handouts.


No we don't need any more parties.
 

bruju

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Hey Newfee(Doryman)
Get a real Job you sound like you mite want one,then you won't like Alberta have to whine when you hear the thruth
 

bruju

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Hey Newfee(Doryman)
Get a real Job, you sound like you might want one,then you won't like Alberta have to whine when you hear the thruth
 

Doryman

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Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

bruju said:
Hey Newfee(Doryman)
Get a real Job, you sound like you might want one,then you won't like Alberta have to whine when you hear the thruth

Speak up. I couldn't hear you the first few times.

And I'm currently being trained as a MARS Officer for this nations Navy, of course you Upper Canadians don't actually consider that a proper profession, now do you? Better I be a drug-dealer or snarky fop journalist, huh?

And leave off with the superiourity complex. Without the rest of the provinces (primarily Alberta) Ontario would be sunk.

And learn to write coherently; then I won't like everybody else have to sift through your retarded posts for the "thruth".
 

Jay

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Doryman said:
And I'm currently being trained as a MARS Officer for this nations Navy, of course you Upper Canadians don't actually consider that a proper profession, now do you?


Of coarse you know that we highly respect the Canadian Military in Upper Canada. We owe our existence to you.
 

TenPenny

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No kidding. You hear Paul Martin campaigning in Atlantic Canada promising improvements in EI?? Every election, never fails, if the Libs need votes out east, they sweeten the pot for the folks on the dole. I'm from N.B., there are tons of people for whom that is there way of life - work summers, get their hours, then take the rest of the year off. Rinse, lather, repeat. I work in the construction industry in T.O., which has a lot of Newfie labourers. These guys know to the minute when they qualify for enough EI benefits to get them through the winter, and will drop their jackhammers and walk off site. Of course the companies play along and pretend they were 'laid off" when in reality there is still plenty of work around. :twisted:


I'm from NB, and there are tons of people here working their asses off, just like everywhere else. Yes, there are people who abuse the system. Oddly enough, the automotive industry in Ontario is a great user, I mean abuser, of the EI system. And let's not forget the autopact, which meant that every Canadian who bought a car since 1960 something has subsidised the Ontario automotive industry.

And while you're insulting all of Newfoundland, why don't you go to Fort McMurray, and see who REALLY makes Alberta's oil patch go?

In case you're too scared to go see, you'll find it's NEWFOUNDLANDERS.
 

Doryman

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Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jay said:
Of coarse you know that we highly respect the Canadian Military in Upper Canada. We owe our existence to you.

Myah, I don't need any reassuring Jay man. I know your beliefs, and I appreciate them. I'm just knocking bruju for his elitist attitudes. Most people I've met like him tend to consider the military as lowly as the other provinces and the rustics that dwell in them. Anyhoo...

I don't believe Canada needs any more parties than she already has.We don't need a party for every issue, that's what lobby groups are for. What we need are what we have; a party to represent the Left, the Centre, and the Right for our citizens. However, we really need to keep them hopping in and out of office to keep them honest.

Besides, with any more parties we'll end up looking like Iraq, with, what? upwards of 100 parties at the last Election? What will the debates look like!!! :lol:
 

Jay

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Ahhh come on...I like "coddling" better. :)


I know what people mean by not wanting more parties, but if Ontario ever does decide to use it's clout in a way that voters in Ontario can appreciate and forms a party to exercise it, there could be trouble for this version of federalism.
 

Doryman

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Re: RE: Canada Needs Another Political party

Jay said:
Ahhh come on...I like "coddling" better. :)


I know what people mean by not wanting more parties, but if Ontario ever does decide to use it's clout in a way that voters in Ontario can appreciate and forms a party to exercise it, there could be trouble for this version of federalism.

Really, see i figured it made me sound too abrasive. And does this avatar make me look fat? Seriously, tell me the truth!
:lol:

Yeah, Ontario wields a lot of power on the voting scene. I don't see it coming up with a regional party though. Ontariioans seem to think about Canada much more than other regions, who think mainly of themselves ( this could be because Ontario is already rich and powerful, and is a lot more secure, but I digress.) If they ever do start to vote only for themselves, I think Canada will start operating more like the EU than any real country.

Just a thought here, but wouldn't it be scary if all the seperatist parties of each province managed to campaign together for an election... A coaliton of Bloc,NL first, Western Seperation, etc. yahoos that agree to work together to divide up our country. Yurk!