Canada a quiet participator.

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I think not said:
Don't be so sure Canada may not be attacked said1. It's true, Canada doesn't seem to have any apparent enemies, however, Canada may be seen as a way to disrupt oil, gas and other essentials to the US.

Think about it in economic terms also, not only political.

I'm not sure Canada won't be attacked, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was talking about uranium sales to N. Korea, the possible rammifications and how we are practically powerless to stop it once the uranium has changed hands. The N.Koreans can't really be trusted now can they?

I was responding to Numure, but anyways. Nobody can be trusted with nuclear weapons, and I'm most certainly including the US in the same pile.
 

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I think not said:
Said1 said:
I think not said:
Don't be so sure Canada may not be attacked said1. It's true, Canada doesn't seem to have any apparent enemies, however, Canada may be seen as a way to disrupt oil, gas and other essentials to the US.

Think about it in economic terms also, not only political.

I'm not sure Canada won't be attacked, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was talking about uranium sales to N. Korea, the possible rammifications and how we are practically powerless to stop it once the uranium has changed hands. The N.Koreans can't really be trusted now can they?

I was responding to Numure, but anyways. Nobody can be trusted with nuclear weapons, and I'm most certainly including the US in the same pile.

If you were responding to Numure, then why didn't you say "Don't be so sure Canada won't be attacted Said1", EH?
 

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Said1 said:
I think not said:
Said1 said:
I think not said:
Don't be so sure Canada may not be attacked said1. It's true, Canada doesn't seem to have any apparent enemies, however, Canada may be seen as a way to disrupt oil, gas and other essentials to the US.

Think about it in economic terms also, not only political.

I'm not sure Canada won't be attacked, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was talking about uranium sales to N. Korea, the possible rammifications and how we are practically powerless to stop it once the uranium has changed hands. The N.Koreans can't really be trusted now can they?

I was responding to Numure, but anyways. Nobody can be trusted with nuclear weapons, and I'm most certainly including the US in the same pile.

If you were responding to Numure, then why didn't you say "Don't be so sure Canada won't be attacted Said1", EH?

Error?
 

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peapod said:
Ah...lil said I am starting to like you, you got the mojo :wink: But wait don't you think those 30 camaflouged men will return with their snowballs and protect the big igloo??

Naw, the US will save us. Wooot!
 

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I think not said:
Said1 said:
I think not said:
Said1 said:
I think not said:
Don't be so sure Canada may not be attacked said1. It's true, Canada doesn't seem to have any apparent enemies, however, Canada may be seen as a way to disrupt oil, gas and other essentials to the US.

Think about it in economic terms also, not only political.

I'm not sure Canada won't be attacked, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was talking about uranium sales to N. Korea, the possible rammifications and how we are practically powerless to stop it once the uranium has changed hands. The N.Koreans can't really be trusted now can they?

I was responding to Numure, but anyways. Nobody can be trusted with nuclear weapons, and I'm most certainly including the US in the same pile.

If you were responding to Numure, then why didn't you say "Don't be so sure Canada won't be attacted Said1", EH?

Error?

It happens. :)
 

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I think not said:
Said1 said:
peapod said:
Ah...lil said I am starting to like you, you got the mojo :wink: But wait don't you think those 30 camaflouged men will return with their snowballs and protect the big igloo??

Naw, the US will save us. Wooot!

Yes we need your oil and gas :wink: :roll:

What about Alaska?

You know I'm teasing, don't make that face at me! :twisted:
 

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Speaking of Alaska, I flew to Barrow, Alaska back in 1997. The Northernmost point in North America as far as dry land can take you anyway.

They had a Mexican Restaurant! I found that funny really, come to think of it, it was the ONLY restaurant! Horrible food, was sick for days.

But I got to stick my foot in the Artic Ocean :p for about 5 seconds, brrrrr! cold.
 

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http://www.acepilots.com/unscam/archives/001890.html

Canadian Connection

This by Mark Steyn at The Western Standard (registration required)

I always love the bit on the big international news story where they try to find the Canadian angle. A couple of months back, every time I switched on The National, there seemed to be no news at all and Peter Mansbridge was in the middle of some 133-part series of reports on “Canadians making a difference in the world,” which at least three nights a week seemed to be an “encore presentation” of the same worthy soft-focus featurette about some guy helping with an irrigation project in Sudan.


Once upon a time, it didn’t seem such an effort to find “Canadians making a difference in the world”--D-Day, say, or even the early years of Pearsonian peacekeeping. But it’s a stretch nowadays. In the maple-free zone of the Afghan campaign in fall 2001, several desperate media outlets were driven to rhapsodizing over my old chum from Fleet Street days, Alex Renton, spokesman for the international aid agency Oxfam--or to give him his full honorific, as the Sun chain’s Greg Weston liked to put it, “the Toronto-born spokesman for the international aid agency Oxfam.” The Toronto-born Alex spent his formative years at Eton--not Eton, Ontario, the agreeable municipality a scenic one-day drive from Sault Ste. Marie, but Eton College, the swanky boys’ school for Brit toffs. His father is Lord Renton, a cabinet minister under Mrs. Thatcher. I’m all for celebrating the rich diversity of the Canadian mosaic, but we haven’t had a Canuck like this since Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught, checked out of Rideau Hall. Still, any oasis in a desert. When I made a couple of cracks about Alex being the designated Billy Bishop of the new world war, I got a huffy e-mail from the Hindu Kush protesting that it wasn’t his fault the likes of Greg Weston had decided to anoint him as the Great White Hope of Canadian Global Relevance.

And yet, throughout this period, there has indeed been a Canadian making a difference in the world-and if The National wanted to do a 133-part special report on him, for once they’d have enough material. Most of us know Paul Desmarais as the . . . well, let’s hold it there: most Canadians don’t know Paul Desmarais at all. You could stop the first thousand people walking down Yonge Street and I’ll bet no one would know who he is. But the few who do know him know him as the kingmaker behind Trudeau, Mulroney, Chrétien and Martin. Jean Chrétien’s daughter is married to Paul Desmarais’s son. Paul Martin was an employee of M. Desmarais’s Power Corp., and his Canada Steamship Lines was originally a subsidiary of Power Corp. that M. Desmarais put Mr. Martin in charge of. In other words, Paul Martin’s public identity--successful self-made businessman, not just a career pol, knows how to meet payroll, etc.--is entirely derived from the patronage of M. Desmarais.

That in itself is a remarkable achievement. Imagine if Jenna Bush married the chairman of Halliburton’s son, and then George W. Bush was succeeded by a president who’d been an employee of Halliburton: Michael Moore’s next documentary would be buried under wall-to-wall Oscars and Palmes d’Or. But M. Desmarais has managed to turn Ottawa into a company town without anyone being aware of the company. We’re a G8 economy; it would be reasonable to expect a prominent British or American businessman to number prominent political figures among his friends, but to have brought so many of them into his company and even family would surely excite some comment. Power Corp.’s other alumni range from Quebec premiers to Canada’s most prominent international diplomat, Maurice Strong. In fairness, you don’t have to work for M. Desmarais to reach the top of the greasy pole-Kim Campbell managed it, for about a week and a half.

But this is just the hicksville stuff. What’s really impressive is that, when one considers the epic events of the last three years, the truly Canadian content is not Toronto-born aid spokespersons, but the ubiquitous presence of M. Desmarais.

During the Iraq war, for example, I mentioned en passant that Power Corp. is the biggest shareholder in TotalFinaElf, the western corporation closest to Saddam Hussein (it has since changed its name to the Total Group). Total had secured development rights to 25 per cent of Iraq’s oil reserves, a transformative deal that would catapult the company from a second-rank player into the big leagues with Exxon and British Petroleum. For a year, the antiwar crowd had told us it was “all about oil”--that the only reason Iraq was being “liberated” was so Bush, Cheney, Halliburton and the rest of the gang could annex in perpetuity the second biggest oil reserves in the world. But, if it was all about oil, then the fact--fact--is that the only Western leader with a direct stake in the issue was not the Texas oilpatch stooge in Washington, but Jean Chrétien: his daughter, his son-in-law and his grandchildren stood to be massively enriched by the Total-Saddam agreement. It depended on two factors: Saddam remaining in power, and the feeble UN sanctions being either weakened into meaninglessness or quietly dropped. M. Chrétien may have refused to join the Iraq war on “principle,” but fortunately his principles happened to coincide with the business interests of both TotalFinaElf and the Baath party.

As I said, I mentioned this curious footnote at the time. Stockwell Day picked up on it. The CBC, CTV, The Globe and Mail, Maclean’s and all the rest steered clear. A bland perfunctory 200-word CP story reporting M. Desmarais’s denial--“Power Financial Head Refutes Saddam Link”--was carried by far more media outlets than had bothered going anywhere near Day’s original remarks.

Well, okay. Let’s take M. Desmarais’s word for it. But, getting on for two years later, we’re in the middle of the UN Oil-for-Fraud investigation, the all-time biggest scam, bigger than Enron and Worldcom and all the rest added together. And whaddaya know? The bank that handled all the money from the program turns out to be BNP Paribas, which tends to get designated by Associated Press and co. as a “French bank” but is, as it happens, controlled by one of M. Desmarais’s holding companies. That alone should cause even the droopiest bloodhound to pick up a scent: the UN’s banker for its Iraqi “humanitarian” program turns out to be (to all intents) Saddam’s favourite oilman.

I’m not a conspiracy-minded guy, and, if I were, I’d look for a sinister global organization with a less obvious name. If “Power Corp.” was the moniker given to the sinister front operation for the latest Bond villain, critics would bemoan how crass the 007 franchise had become. And a “Power Corp.” that controlled the “Total Group” would have them hooting with derision. But it’s nevertheless the case that M. Desmarais’s bank functioned as the cashier for Saddam’s gaming of the global-compassion crowd: if a company agreed to sell Iraq some children’s medicine for $100 million, Iraq would invoice BNP Paribas for $110 million, pay the supplier and divert the skim-off into other areas. Everyone knew this was happening. It seems impossible, even with the minimal auditing, that BNP Paribas did not.

So here is a Canadian “making a difference in the world.” Suppose Conrad Black controlled a bank that had enriched a brutal dictator with a fortune intended to go to starving children, and that he also had an oil company that had cooked up an arrangement to make billions from the same dictator’s oil resources. Think Maude Barlow and the CBC might show an interest? But Paul Desmarais’s no-publicity clause is apparently enshrined in the Charter of Rights. So on it goes. Only the other week, M. Desmarais was hosting at his home in Quebec Nicholas Sarkozy, very likely the next president of France. Even after they’d become heads of government, neither Bush nor Blair could be bothered swinging by Ottawa to look in on Chrétien; not for years. But an invitation from M. Desmarais, and France’s coming man can’t wait to hop on the plane.

M. Desmarais’s spectacular rise from an obscure Quebec bus company operator to an obscure global colossus is an amazing story. Instead of struggling to find a local angle on the international scene, why doesn’t the CBC just start from the basic premise that whatever the subject--Iraq, oil-for-food, the European Union--somewhere at the heart of it will be the world’s least famous Canadian.

Instead, not a whisper. The good news is it’s not because Robert Rabinovitch, president of the CBC, is another discreet Power Corp. alumnus. He’s not. Rabinovitch’s close buddy, John Rae, who ran Chrétien’s campaigns, is. And so’s Rabinovitch’s old colleague Joel Bell, who was Trudeau’s chief economic adviser. And so’s Rabinovitch’s old boss, Senator Michael Pitfield. And so’s . . .

P.S. If, by the time of publication, Power Corp. has bought the Western Standard, please disregard all of the above.
 

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Just to clarify: I don't know how much, if any of the above is true. Does anyone have any insights about this? I have often thought that there might be skeletons like this in the closet. At least our neighbours to the south have no illusions about their role in the world, and about half of them are outraged. Are we living in la la land thinking we are innocent, or do we have dark secrets too awful for Canadians to know about?
 

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RE: Canada a quiet partic

Your example is little conspiracy theoryish, Ted. That doesn't mean it isn't right...there's a reason why the word conspiracy exists.

Whenever I see a right-wing news source going after PowerCorp, my suspicion's rise though. I have no illusions about the Liberals or Maurice Strong or even Power Corp. I just doubt that they are omniscient, or even that well organized. When I see something like coming from a source like The Western Standard, I kind of think of it like one of those Area 51 specials.

I doubt they are that cooperative or connected. They don't have to be. You get a bunch of people working towards their own enrichment and, if they are from similar backgrounds with similar goals, it will have the same result and look like a conspiracy.
 

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Powercorp has 2 billion invested in Iran through a subsidiary,Total SA. This may or may not have influenced our soft diplomacy over the murder of a Canadian journalist.Also,chretien's wife was gifted a 2 million dollar mansion by powercorp shortly after he left office.These are facts.Makes one wonder.doesn't it?
 

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RE: Canada a quiet partic

I wonder what happened to Derry? An unfortunate accident, involving goats and a 50 pound bag of feed?