broken promise to people who got infected with hepatitis C

[Socrates the Greek]

Harper and his conservatives can sit there and think that they are in full accomplishment of what they promised the people on election night. Well let me tell you my fellow Canadians. For Harper it was a priority to get heavily involved in Afghanistan, while an election promise was to help all the victims that were failed miserably by a blood bank that had gone wrong and sown to be incompetent. Harper promised to all the suffering victims if he got elected he will immediately get compensation on the way in order to ease the suffering these people are living with day to day. Four months have gone by and Harper is on a mission of power hungry tourism in Afghanistan to show the world here is the Canadian Military PM while under the carpet sits the persons infected with hepatitis C from no fault of their own. Harper makes a great opportunist as well a great Hypocrite.
I will do to you what I do not want done to me!





MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING

BETWEEN:

BRITISH COLUMBIA, ALBERTA, ONTARIO, and QUEBEC
REPRESENTATIVE PLAINTIFFS

And

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CANADA

PRE JANUARY 1, 1986 – POST JULY 1, 1990
HEPATITIS C TAINTED BLOOD
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING

WHEREAS:

1. Class action litigation was commenced against the Government of Canada in Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec claiming compensation for those persons infected with hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990. These class actions remain outstanding.
2. The Minister of Health of Canada announced on November 22, 2004 the Government of Canada’s intention to enter discussions on options for financial compensation for people who were infected with hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990.
3. On December 10, 2004, class action counsel agreed with counsel for the Government of Canada that all pending litigation will be adjourned sine die, to be brought back on a 30-days’ notice by either party.
4. On April 20, 2005, the House of Commons unanimously adopted a motion supporting the payment of compensation to those who were infected by hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990.
5. In furtherance of the Health Minister’s November 22, 2004 statement, discussions between class counsel and counsel for the Government of Canada have been ongoing since December 2004. The discussions have now advanced to a point where the parties can express their commitment to entering into a final agreement while continuing to negotiate, and obtain and analyze the required information, including scientific, medical and actuarial data and advice.
6. Negotiations are ongoing regarding eligibility, and structure and levels of compensation as well as other terms of an eventual settlement.
7. The parties are gathering information on those infected by hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986 and after July 1, 1990, including obtaining additional information from class members and their physicians, and engaging experts in order to advise on an appropriate medical model to assess the current health condition of class members and to project the likely progression of the disease of the class.
8. The parties are committed to completing the data gathering and analysis necessary to establish funding requirements for the settlement agreement as expeditiously as possible. They acknowledge that the process will require a minimum of several further months given the size of the task.

NOW THEREFORE;

9. The parties commit to entering into an agreement whereby the Government of Canada will provide compensation to persons who were infected with hepatitis C through the blood system before January 1, 1986, and from July 2, 1990 to September 28, 1998 inclusive. The eligibility for estates, dependants and family members remains subject to negotiation.
10. The compensation categories and amounts of compensation are being negotiated.
11. An administrative system will be established for the processing of claims for compensation.
12. The final settlement agreement will require the approval of the class action courts in Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec in order to further ensure that the settlement agreement is fair, reasonable and in the best interests of the class and to bring closure to these matters.
13. This Memorandum of Understanding is without admission of any liability in the underlying litigation between the parties.
14. The settlement agreement will be without admission of legal liability. The Government of Canada will not be liable to provide any further funds for compensation except as agreed to in the settlement agreement as approved by the class action courts.
15. This Memorandum of Understanding forms the basis for further negotiations. The enumeration of subjects in this document is not intended to limit subsequent discussions to those matters.
16. This Memorandum of Understanding may be executed in any number of counterparts, each of which will be deemed to be an original and all of which together will be deemed to constitute one and the same Agreement.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF the Parties have executed this Memorandum of Understanding.

Signed, Sealed and Delivered:


THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CANADA



Date: By: Original signed by
Paul Vickery
Senior General Counsel
Department of Justice


SHIRLEY ADRIAN ET AL.



Date: By: Original signed by
Kolthammer Batchelor Laidlaw, LLP
Docken and Company
Marshall Attorneys
Counsel to Shirley Adrian et al.
In the Alberta Class Action


DEBORAH LUTZ



Date: By: Original signed by
Klein Lyons
Counsel to Deborah Lutz
In the British Columbia Class Action


MICHAEL MCCARTHY



Date: By: Original signed by
Roy Elliott Kim O’Connor, LLP
Counsel to Michael McCarthy
In the Ontario Class Action


GUY DESJARDINS/JEAN ROCHON



Date: By: Original signed by
Lauzon Belanger, s.e.n.c.r.l.
Counsel to Guy Desjardins and Jean Rochon
In the Quebec Class Action

 

[Vicious]

RE: broken promise to peo

Shattered. And in record time too.

What, this just in... the Harper government is four months old, is that correct? They've been sitting on this promise for four f***ing months and they haven't done a thing about it.

Why it only took the Liberals how many months to abolish the GST and scrap the Free Trade Agreement?

Can one of you Liberal supports help me out - how long did it take to scrap FTA? And the GST - how long for that one?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: RE: broken promise to peo

Shattered. And in record time too.

What, this just in... the Harper government is four months old, is that correct? They've been sitting on this promise for four f***ing months and they haven't done a thing about it.

Why it only took the Liberals how many months to abolish the GST and scrap the Free Trade Agreement?

Can one of you Liberal supports help me out - how long did it take to scrap FTA? And the GST - how long for that one?

Vicious, your post is indicative of how Harper thinks. My friend you are comparing apples and elephants, what's the GST OR THE FTA HAVE TO DO WITH THE people who got infected with hepatitis C, from no fault of their own, and Harper conveniently forgot his pre-election promise for immediate compensation, instead Harper would provide $5 Billion to fight wars that make stupid sense.

Vicious any one that can sit there and justify killing our men and women in Afghanistan, while our men and women got infected from no fault of their own and are dieing here at home from lack of funding, you tell me who has squandered a promise that will cost Harper big come the next federal election.

 

[Vicious]

RE: broken promise to peo

My point is there is still time to keep that promise. I don't know if they will or not.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: RE: broken promise to peo

My point is there is still time to keep that promise. I don't know if they will or not.

Of course, we don’t know if they will or not Vicious, but one thing we know for sure Bush said Jump and Harper asked how far, Bush reply is not to far just, just over in Kandahar. That Vicious is the inescapable truth no matter what side of the fence you are on. Our people the soldiers in Afghanistan are being wasted on a stupid war that will live the print of Viet Nam, as well we are killing our people here in Canada because of luck of funding, while Harpers campaign promise is gone under the carpet using the vote from the infected Canadians while at the end Harper conveniently forget what he promised. All this camera interviews with Harper are the phoniest thing next to a three dollar bill. The man is a fraud when it comes to sincere ethics, Harper is deceitful and a bambooso Gestapo Tory at best. Canada will suffer from a PM who is willing to sacrifice his people in order to be good friends with Bush who has the lowest rating on the poles today. Same on any one who will allow idiots like that setting the guidelines of Democracy. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

 

[Nuggler]

Re: broken promise to people who got infected with hepatitis

Well put Soc. Well indeed.

Ugg. :idea:

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: broken promise to people who got infected with hepatitis

Well put Soc. Well indeed.

Ugg. :idea:

Well oldnugly the truth is they want to tell as that we are not in touch with the world when in fact 70% of the world wants peace, not war, with phoney politicians at the helm. PS Thank You for your understanding. You noticed on this thread some 130 reads and only a hand full of comments. Not that the subject is out of order, but rather arguing this thread one will quickly declare him or her self a hypocrite. War has won the day with the hypocrisy that sits with in some people while our people here in Canada are dieing, the troops are dieing, and in mathematical terms we Canadians to sacrifice two Canadians in order to safe one Afghani very far away from here is wrong. I know it is sad to see all the atrocities in many parts of our planet. The question is dose Canada have the necessary resources to stop the atrocities committed all over the globe as we speak. The real answer is NO WE DON’T, and that is the reason we are wasting our people so we can be good friends with Bush, the American people a huge percentage is against wars. It is a losing proposition because war doesn’t solve anything, WAR SUCKS.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: Apples and Oranges

In terms of comparing the "broken promises" of the previous Government of Canada to the current Government of Canada, I would suggest that it is quite inappropriate to assert that this Government shouldn't have to keep its promises in a timely fashion, just because the previous Government broke its promises. The Conservative Party of Canada should learn to stop exonerating itself from responsibility with its "but the Liberals...!" excuse, and start governing.

They are going to make mistakes, of course; however, these mistakes should be documented, learned from, and we should move on. It does nothing for anyone in Canada to start suggesting that one Government should have the right to stoop to the errors of its predecessors. After this Government championed their causes over those of the Liberal Party of Canada during the campaign of the Thirty-ninth General Election, I would think that it's time to start hearing good things about Conservatives, instead of bad things about Liberals.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: Apples and Oranges

In terms of comparing the "broken promises" of the previous Government of Canada to the current Government of Canada, I would suggest that it is quite inappropriate to assert that this Government shouldn't have to keep its promises in a timely fashion, just because the previous Government broke its promises. The Conservative Party of Canada should learn to stop exonerating itself from responsibility with its "but the Liberals...!" excuse, and start governing.

They are going to make mistakes, of course; however, these mistakes should be documented, learned from, and we should move on. It does nothing for anyone in Canada to start suggesting that one Government should have the right to stoop to the errors of its predecessors. After this Government championed their causes over those of the Liberal Party of Canada during the campaign of the Thirty-ninth General Election, I would think that it's time to start hearing good things about Conservatives, instead of bad things about Liberals.

Good post Five Paradox, the trouble is when we see vote stealing right of the mark, when we see manipulative governmental strategy such as the flag at half mast, the media at a far distance, people who got infected with hepatitis C who were promised to be taken care of, and instead Harper jumps at a much more important promise, forget the Hepatitis C victims, instead I want to be with Bush to help the victims in another country far away from here, and live our people here in Canada suffer, Five Paradox sorry but one loses his or her civility very quick my great Canadian pal. Some one her is imposing harm on our people, for a cause completely unrelated, other than brown nosing to Bush.

 

[Vicious]

Re: Apples and Oranges

In terms of comparing the "broken promises" of the previous Government of Canada to the current Government of Canada, I would suggest that it is quite inappropriate to assert that this Government shouldn't have to keep its promises in a timely fashion, just because the previous Government broke its promises. The Conservative Party of Canada should learn to stop exonerating itself from responsibility with its "but the Liberals...!" excuse, and start governing.

They are going to make mistakes, of course; however, these mistakes should be documented, learned from, and we should move on. It does nothing for anyone in Canada to start suggesting that one Government should have the right to stoop to the errors of its predecessors. After this Government championed their causes over those of the Liberal Party of Canada during the campaign of the Thirty-ninth General Election, I would think that it's time to start hearing good things about Conservatives, instead of bad things about Liberals.

Holy bouncing topics batman! I'll try to stick to the topic which I thought was a promise to compensate those Hep C sufferers that were denied compensation by the Liberals. Since Five Pair (a very nice poker hand) is the only one remotely on topic I'll respond.

Please define timely. Do you think that addressing this issue is as easy as waving a wand? Do you think it may require drafting and debating legislation? Do you think it has a higher priority that the big 5 promises? I agree with you about continually blaming the Liberals. It does wear thin. However who's decision was it to deny these people compensation in the first place. (Just for the record I agreed with excluding these folks. If I remember correctly the reason for the compensation was because of negligence on the part of the Red Cross for not testing blood when a test was available. For anyone who got sick before the test was available they were not negligent. However this technicality does nothing for the Hep C victims).

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: Apples and Oranges

In terms of comparing the "broken promises" of the previous Government of Canada to the current Government of Canada, I would suggest that it is quite inappropriate to assert that this Government shouldn't have to keep its promises in a timely fashion, just because the previous Government broke its promises. The Conservative Party of Canada should learn to stop exonerating itself from responsibility with its "but the Liberals...!" excuse, and start governing.
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They are gong to make mistakes, of course; however, these mistakes should be documented, learned from, and we should move on. It does nothing for anyone in Canada to start suggesting that one Government should have the right to stoop to the errors of its predecessors. After this Government championed their causes over those of the Liberal Party of Canada during the campaign of the Thirty-ninth General Election, I would think that it's time to start hearing good things about Conservatives, instead of bad things about Liberals.

Holy bouncing topics batman! I'll try to stick to the topic which I thought was a promise to compensate those Hep C sufferers that were denied compensation by the Liberals. Since Five Pair (a very nice poker hand) is the only one remotely on topic I'll respond.

Please define timely. Do you think that addressing this issue is as easy as waving a wand? Do you think it may require drafting and debating legislation? Do you think it has a higher priority that the big 5 promises? I agree with you about continually blaming the Liberals. It does wear thin. However who's decision was it to deny these people compensation in the first place. (Just for the record I agreed with excluding these folks. If I remember correctly the reason for the compensation was because of negligence on the part of the Red Cross for not testing blood when a test was available. For anyone who got sick before the test was available they were not negligent. However this technicality does nothing for the Hep C victims).

Do I think that addressing this issue is as easy as waving a wand?

This issue will be much easier to look after than going to a foreign land and set up law and order when in fact all we are doing creating civil wars.

Iraq is the closest example of that, and now we are about to repeat the same scenario of a civil war in Afghanistan. The US or Canada can not afford to stay in Iraq too long, the are also limited in Afghanistan, the money required to fight abroad on a limited scale, is squandered, while the Canadian tax payer is funding a loosing proposition by killing it's people. (I know long explanation).

Do I think it may require drafting and debating legislation?

The fact that we are talking about suffering Canadians on a companionate bases alone, we must break free from the confines of Governmental beaurochracy and do the right thing in helping our suffering fellow Canadians.

Do I think it has a higher priority than the big 5 promises?

An ethical Government that cares for its people will set a side a foreign war that will never be justified, and will make room with in the 5 priorities and include life that belongs to Canada not Afghanistan. The Canadians infected from such horrible circumstance have a priority over a sick privet secret agenda, which can be described as brown nosing to a higher power.

I love the American people, but you know I hate war with the greatest passion especially when Canada has not had its seventy threatened, which is for sure not the case here.
As for your quote below if the Liberals did not do the right thing, Harper campaigned on this very issue and to start blaming the Liberals, like the Liberals did not do anything about it why should we, well hallow campaign promising will get very dangerous come election time which will be here soon. So the final brash to this picture war sucks and our people are dieing in vain.

“I agree with you about continually blaming the Liberals. It does wear thin. However who's decision was it to deny these people compensation in the first place.” :evil: :x :lol: :x 8O :x

 

[Vicious]

RE: broken promise to peo

Socrates. You are are saying Hep C victims are a higher priority than the Afghanistan mission. I can respect that. I don't agree but I can respect that.
You are saying the Hep C victims deserve a solution that cuts through the bureaucracy.

I'm not good at treading lightly on issues. I do believe that no one has ever accused me of being compassionate. So please don't lose it on me.

I fully support Hep C victims getting the appropriate level of healthcare for their disease in as speedy fashion as our system can provide it. I do not understand why you think they deserve compensation. Who was negligent in this situation? Should we compensate all vicitims of terrible disease? Cancer, MS, CF, Arthritis, etc? It's very unfortunate that these people are sick and in some cases dying. but who do you blame, who is negligent?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: RE: broken promise to peo

Socrates. You are are saying Hep C victims are a higher priority than the Afghanistan mission. I can respect that. I don't agree but I can respect that.
You are saying the Hep C victims deserve a solution that cuts through the bureaucracy.

I'm not good at treading lightly on issues. I do believe that no one has ever accused me of being compassionate. So please don't lose it on me.

I fully support Hep C victims getting the appropriate level of healthcare for their disease in as speedy fashion as our system can provide it. I do not understand why you think they deserve compensation. Who was negligent in this situation? Should we compensate all vicitims of terrible disease? Cancer, MS, CF, Arthritis, etc? It's very unfortunate that these people are sick and in some cases dying. but who do you blame, who is negligent?

"Who was negligent in this situation? Should we compensate all vicitims of terrible disease? Cancer, MS, CF, Arthritis, etc? It's very unfortunate that these people are sick and in some cases dying. but who do you blame, who is negligent?"

Monz, the Red Cross and the Feds are responsible for not having stricter guide lines of blood screening. This people were seek before I agree, but they needed a blood transfusion, and they got one with blood that was infected with hepatitis C. It wouldn’t be fair to say to our fellow Canadians to bad so sad you were seek before end of conversation. The truth is they may have had a lighter illness with out the hepatitis C infection, which caused some of them to die.