British lawmaker: Iraq war was for oil

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Good article ITN but all it talks about is price not the fact that Saddam wanted to switch to the Euro just like Iran .If the world keeps on that path it will sink your dollar and your economy fast :(
 

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mrmom2 said:
Good article ITN but all it talks about is price not the fact that Saddam wanted to switch to the Euro just like Iran .If the world keeps on that path it will sink your dollar and your economy fast :(

Yes, but here is my problem, although I do not fully understand the consequences of a switch, I never bothered with economics since it isnt a science. Russia had stated they wanted to do the same, switch from Dollars to Euros, wouldnt that have had, and can still have, a greater impact than Iraq? And Venezuala also? And why would Britain and Australia rush into the war? Wouldn't their currencies be harmed? I don't have these answers, just questions.
 

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RE: British lawmaker: Ira

The US dollar is an oil currency. It is really the only oil currency. If the Euro became the only oil currency, your dollar would devalue very quickly.
 

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I think not said:

I can't look at anything from a purely business perspective, as I have no head for economics. Having said that, I will point out that Gary S. Becker, while certainly deserving of recognition as a Nobel Laureate, and is a brilliant economist, he is also a neoconservative contemporary of Strauss and Friedman. He has ties to energy interests, and is an advisor to Donald Rumsfeld. Many of his associates are members of Bilderberg, CFR and Trilateral Commission.

All this leads me to be suspect of his intent...
 

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I think not said:

I can't look at anything from a purely business perspective, as I have no head for economics. Having said that, I will point out that Gary S. Becker, while certainly deserving of recognition as a Nobel Laureate, and is a brilliant economist, he is also a neoconservative contemporary of Strauss and Friedman. He has ties to energy interests, and is an advisor to Donald Rumsfeld. Many of his associates are members of Bilderberg, CFR and Trilateral Commission.

All this leads me to be suspect of his intent...

Honestly Vanni, I have no head for economics either, however if we also defy Nobel prize winners then we cant take any opinions for that matter as fact, just hidden motives. And he has spoken against Bush on his Social Security reforms http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/02/social_security.html

Having said that, I have also been searching the internet for this alleged Euro vs Dollar thing. This one spins my head in terms of economics. After doing a search you can find an abundance of links on the topic, however most of them, if not all, were written by the same author, which led me to believe this is another consipracy theory.

And finally I dug up one small article on the issue from an Australian http://www.johnquiggin.com/archives/000953.html
 

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Re: RE: British lawmaker: Ira

Derry McKinney said:
Ah yes, another article by another neo-con shill trying desperately to prop up their lies.

Ah yes, your answer to everything. I suppose you will blame the Swedes for giving him a Nobel prize also, or are they also in on it?
 

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The theory goes switch oil to the euro bankrupt the US dollar forcing a consolidation of North American currencys the Amero,Once that established its not to far a stretch to the world currency the pheonix 8O
 

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Everyone's so sure of their own opinions, and to let go of one and actually have a 2-way conversation here is kin to euthanizing your own pet dog, isn't it?

The believers in the right or left are so much like the opponents they accuse, so much like the fundamentalists we deplore in every religion on this planet.

In our myopia, we all see the whole universe,don't we?

Suspicion and distrust of the other is the source of all our inspiration.

Truly uninspiring this is.

Dis-spiriting.

How can any of us be so sure?

Hear that old soft melody, how can I be sure, in a world that's constantly changing...
 

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I don't believe in the right or the left Jim.Its all just a bunch of rhetoric to keep the masses in line.That way the wealthy can keep on raping the planet and exploting us for cheap labour. :x While the sit in their glass towers drinking champange and eating caviar :roll:
 

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Okay, Mrmom2, what you said is honorable.

But just for clarity, a rare commodity these days for me, I'd like to submit to you a few ideas:

1. Yes, some use the rhetoric to keep the masses in line, but somehow it does fail to keep us all in line, doesn't it?
What innoculated you? And then I ask, why do most people say what you just said? Everyone likes to say they don't believe in the left or right, and I take them for their intended face value, because it is human nature to want to believe in our ability to weigh matters for ourselves, isn't it? I don't really believe people are as malleable you do, especially when you look deeper.

2. The wealthy will rape the planet and will always look for cheap labor. Adam Smith, in the Wealth of Nations, called this greed, this incentive to improve one's own self, "the silent hand" that ends up being the only psychological choice that guides all economic decisions.
To ignore the psychology of personal incentive is to have every system of governmental allocation of resources to fall apart. There has to be some of the chaos and dislocation of freedom in order not to stifle human drive.

3. The trick is to mix those parts of socialism and capitalism that best correspond to human psychology.

4. And finally, this left or right terminology. George Orwell taught us that by eliminating words from the dictionary people found it laborious and difficult to express certain thoughts cogently and succinctly. For purposes of discussion, words themselves are labels and we label everything we see, hear, touch, and act upon.
And so sometimes it is less laborious to use a word that does label a way of thinking and we should not lose these shortcuts or labels or words because sometimes it is quite tedious to write a whole paragraph when one word, understood by all, would suffice.

Afterall, what is the difference between eliminating words from the dictionary by governmental decree, or by cultural fiat, or by political correctness?
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
So your solution is to bow to the neocon agenda because they sponsor Nobel Prize winners? Here I took you for someone more obstinate than that...

Thats nonsense Vanni. Don't twist words it doesn't suit your intellect.

The problem is you see only neocon agendas in what he writes. You claimed you can't see this from an economic perspective but when you insist it was an oil war or Euro vs Dollars, then thats the view we should be taking. If it doesn't make economic sense then it doesn't make sense at all if we stick to the oil theory.

I don't bow down to neocon or any other extreme theories including that of the left, however I am able to acknowledge that someone that has received a Nobel prize has more knowledge of economics than I have. Unless someone with a serious level of economics disputes it, then I really have no reason not to give more weight to his writings.

When you dismiss an analysis so quickly I am forced to assume that it is you that bows down, not me. I've been reading about this alleged oil and Euro vs dollar war and none of it makes sense to me. I lean more along the lines that it was done for Israel and security in the Middle East than any other reason. The WMD's and spreading of democracy is something I dont buy.
 

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I think not said:
The problem is you see only neocon agendas in what he writes. You claimed you can't see this from an economic perspective but when you insist it was an oil war or Euro vs Dollars, then thats the view we should be taking. If it doesn't make economic sense then it doesn't make sense at all if we stick to the oil theory.

How much economic sense does it make for your government to put your country trillions of dollars in debt to invade a country that was not a threat to you...

I think not said:
I don't bow down to neocon or any other extreme theories including that of the left, however I am able to acknowledge that someone that has received a Nobel prize has more knowledge of economics than I have. Unless someone with a serious level of economics disputes it, then I really have no reason not to give more weight to his writings.

...the reason that I posted about Becker's associations was to show that he could have a motive for writing misinformation...and coupled with his credentials, who would doubt what he has to say?

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I lean more along the lines that it was done for Israel and security in the Middle East than any other reason. The WMD's and spreading of democracy is something I dont buy.

The Zionist angle has crossed my mind a time or two... :wink:
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
I think not said:
The problem is you see only neocon agendas in what he writes. You claimed you can't see this from an economic perspective but when you insist it was an oil war or Euro vs Dollars, then thats the view we should be taking. If it doesn't make economic sense then it doesn't make sense at all if we stick to the oil theory.

How much economic sense does it make for your government to put your country trillions of dollars in debt to invade a country that was not a threat to you...

It doesn't. This is why I dont believe it was about oil or the Euro issue. There is a bigger picture.

I think not said:
I don't bow down to neocon or any other extreme theories including that of the left, however I am able to acknowledge that someone that has received a Nobel prize has more knowledge of economics than I have. Unless someone with a serious level of economics disputes it, then I really have no reason not to give more weight to his writings.

...the reason that I posted about Becker's associations was to show that he could have a motive for writing misinformation...and coupled with his credentials, who would doubt what he has to say?

Other Nobel Prize winners?

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I lean more along the lines that it was done for Israel and security in the Middle East than any other reason. The WMD's and spreading of democracy is something I dont buy.

The Zionist angle has crossed my mind a time or two... :wink:

This makes more sense to me than anything else. Is it a coincidence most members in PNAC are jewish? I think not.