Board of Directors 2006

Cosmo

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Well, it's official ... we have a new Board.

Nominations didn't yield any valid names (ie ones that met requirements) so in an effort to get things back on track, we (admin) asked Juan to step into Chair position and MMMike to Vice Chair. They graciously agreed.

From there they approached people that had expressed interest in being on the Board and between them managed to talk the following good natured folk into stepping up --- the Board as it stands now:

Chair - #Juan
Vice Chair - MMMike
Members:
- Missile
- Dexter Sinister
- The Caracal Kid
- Colpy
- FiveParadox


Thanks so much to all seven of you!!!

If anyone has any issues they feel the Board needs to know about, you can post here in this thread. Alternately, you can PM any of the members.

So nominations are officially closed ... I have kept the few nominations we did receive. Thanks to those that did send them inb!!
 

I think not

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Yes I have some things I would like to bring up, whether this is directed to the Board of Directors or the Board Administration I don't know, but I will state my opinion.

After the recent "events" on this board many announcements were made of a "fresh new start" and we learned that a new Board of Directors was called for because previous members of the Board were either banned or left. When you announced the list of the remaining Board of Directors I personally questioned two names because they had stopped coming and posting on this board, but I assumed that the board administration knew more than I did and it is certainly a privately run board, so admins call the shots.

So then the request came for nominations under a certain set of rules, rules I might add that apparently bare no consequence as one can see from the current Board of Directors. Then the next day Cosmo makes another announcement that members previously banned (even for 24 hours) are not elligible to be nominated, this struck me as odd because it kind of throws a fresh new start out the window, by prohibiting members previously being banned in many cases under favoritism for a particular member.

Tonight at midnight was supposed to be the deadline for nominations and to my surprise we get a newly "elected" Board of Directors, two more in addition to what was originally requested and 3 members of which don't meet the criteria of time required. Now I personally have no problem with any of these new posters, I think they make a great addition to the board, but I really have a dumb question here.

Why do you encourage active participation from board members while simultaneously breaking your own rules, not adhering to your own deadlines and not even having the courtesy of showing us who was nominated and the reasons why "they didn't qualify".

Is this the "active" participation you want from your members? Why not just make your own appointments and tell us its none of our business? And don't think for a moment my personal feelings were hurt in cyberspace, the admins know my position on the Board of Directors from another post at another forum.

Why the charade?
 

#juan

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There was no charade..

We lost 70 odd percent of the board and a number of other people. It was deemed necessary to get the board up and running as soon as possible. We did that. If people have a problem with that it can't be helped. As far as I'm concerned, everything was done in a fair and consistant manner. Try running an election when it takes two days to get in touch with anyone and another day or so to get an answer. The people on this forum have lives just like real people. That's because they are real people. I see nothing to feel guilty about. On the contrary, we can be proud. Cheers...
 

Cosmo

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I think not said:
Then the next day Cosmo makes another announcement that members previously banned (even for 24 hours) are not elligible to be nominated, this struck me as odd because it kind of throws a fresh new start out the window, by prohibiting members previously being banned in many cases under favoritism for a particular member.

Disqualifying banned members had been decided prior to the announcement. It is entirely my fault it was not included ... I simply forgot to add it in when I updated the eligibility. I take full responsibility for that omission.

As for a "fresh start", ITN, it didn't seem prudent to any of us to make that fresh start by placing people who had been banned in a decision making position. That was not a Board decision, but an administration one, btw, so it's not one that will be changed in future. The caveat on having banned members on the Board of Directors stands, although your objection is noted.

You, personally, were not banned for "favouritism", so it is a moot point in your case. In the case of some of the others, I agree that Blair was given lattitude he should not have been. That was part of the reason for forming a Board of Directors ... the moderators could not agree among ourselves about that very issue. Despite that single problem, the fact is that people did engage in behaviour that was against the TOS, goaded or not. People are responsible for their own actions and always have had the XReport as a recourse. The banned members chose not to use it and decided to jump into the fray instead. And yes, Blair had been banned for his behaviour too. If that rule had been instated prior to the first election, I think we may have avoided some problems. Hindsight is 20/20 as we all know.

I think not said:
Tonight at midnight was supposed to be the deadline for nominations and to my surprise we get a newly "elected" Board of Directors, two more in addition to what was originally requested and 3 members of which don't meet the criteria of time required. Now I personally have no problem with any of these new posters, I think they make a great addition to the board, but I really have a dumb question here.

Why do you encourage active participation from board members while simultaneously breaking your own rules, not adhering to your own deadlines and not even having the courtesy of showing us who was nominated and the reasons why "they didn't qualify".

Is this the "active" participation you want from your members? Why not just make your own appointments and tell us its none of our business? And don't think for a moment my personal feelings were hurt in cyberspace, the admins know my position on the Board of Directors from another post at another forum.

Why the charade?

It was not a charade at all. Expedience was called for. I handled the nominations and we did not receive sufficient nominations to fill the positions. There was little participation on the part of forum members and there are some things that need tending to promptly. When we saw the election was not working, we took steps to provide the forum with a democratic service in the best way we could come up with.

Publishing a list of nominees and why they were disqualified is a bad idea. It's unfair to air that in public since nominations were made in confidentiality. If I were nominated and disqualified, I would not want that discussed in open forum. Would you?

Anyone nominated who did not get the chance to be on the Board is welcome to PM Board2006. They will receive a personal reply explaining why they were not selected.

To call it a charade is unfair. Lots of us spend hour upon hour working ... for free ... to keep the forum up and running. The people who agreed to fill the vacant positions were chosen for their willingness to get involved and their availability to do the job. For all of us, this forum is a hobby. It is an imposition to sit on the Board and requires a lot of work and commitment. I think we need to applaud the people who stepped up and were willing to put out the time and effort. Without the Board, the forum members have limited recourse to make changes or to question moderator decisions.

As Juan said ... we can be proud that we have people willing to do the work that needs done to keep Canadian Content flourishing.

I'm sorry you feel upset about this. You have shown yourself to be a valuable member and I, personally, am glad the ban list was cleared and you returned. That you did make an error in judgement a while ago is unfortunate. There is a three month window after which the limits of being banned are lifted. It's not a life sentence, but giving people the opportunity to prove their good behaviour is necessary.
 

Jay

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I thought I met the criteria too, Manda. I applied because I wanted to be involved in a more meaningful way to this site. I have the feeling there is more going on here than meets the eye.

"Tonight at midnight was supposed to be the deadline for nominations and to my surprise we get a newly "elected" Board of Directors, two more in addition to what was originally requested and 3 members of which don't meet the criteria of time required."

It truly doesn't make much sense to me to break rules that were posted, as opposed to rules that weren’t posted...


Oh well..... I can't say I didn't want to participate. I can't say I didn't try.
 

Cosmo

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Re: RE: Board of Directors 2006

manda said:
How was I not a valid name? I met all the criteria

Manda ... I have emailed you regarding your desire to sit on the Board. If you choose to post it here, you are welcome. If not, I hope my explanation was sufficient.

Jay ... You did indeed meet the criteria for Board member. Because we ended up with too few nominations, harrassing PMs in the nomination inbox, and an urgent need to get the Board put together, you were not approached. For that I apologize. It was not an intentional slight, but a matter of expediency.

Putting the Board back together after the recent upheaval has taken effort. The people now sitting on it have agreed to invest their time and energy into the forum, and for that I thank them. I also thank the others who were willing. We have not been able to do things the way we originally hoped, but this is one of the few forums I have ever seen that even has a Board. The intent is to give members a voice and I think it will be useful to members. It is still in its infancy, and we are doing all we can to get it functioning again. There's not a lot of precedent to follow, so we may make missteps along the way. I am counting on forum members to be patient if that happens.
 

I think not

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Cosmo

Just a few points I would like to make and I am personally done with this topic. First and foremost, I wasn't speaking about me personally since I had no desire to be a member of the Board of Directors so I don't know why you bring up my situation, but since you did, I was banned because I PM'ed an American about an American website, one member, hardly spamming. So the point I was trying to make, because you had members that are now banned making those decisions, I believe it to be reasonable to assume they made bad decisions simply becuase they didn't like someone and you know this to be true.

And secondly and more importantly you announce and request participation from board members and then you don't have the courtesy of informing the members a change of "policy" in order to expedite a situation. I believe that to be totally uncalled for and certainly unfair to those which in their own way contribute to the board if not by any other means by simply contributing with posts which in fact is the essence of any forum board, the members.

And last but not least, I never implied you or other admins and mods don't work hard to keep the board running, I know from personal experience it is a hard and long task but that has nothing to do with the "politics" of the board, I hate to say this, but not much has changed, some of you still consider members posting here somewhat of a privilege as opposed to the driving force that keeps the board running as evidenced by #juan's reply to my post. Proud what has been achieved? I think not.
 

Jay

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I ask the administration for my own curiosity...Since you had two nominations that were valid....I take it you were short one nomination?
 

Cosmo

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Re: RE: Board of Directors 2006

Jay said:
I ask the administration for my own curiosity...Since you had two nominations that were valid....I take it you were short one nomination?

It was more than that, Jay. It became apparent rather quickly that the usual process wasn't going to work in a timely fashion. I should have announced the changes to the members prior to moving ahead, but I was more focused on just getting the Board up and running (including the technical changes that were required) than anything else.

One thing to keep in mind is that administrators do have the right to make unilateral decisions they feel best for the forum and the entire site. The Board's input is always considered, but the final say does rest with the admins ... Andem first, naturally, and I second. My purview is to look after the forums, and I did what I thought was best at the time. My one and only goal at this point is to get the forum back into its best functioning mode, and to me, that includes having an operational Board of Directors.

I admit I made mistakes in this process, Jay, but I am doing the best I can in light of the recent chaos and my inexperience in such a divisive situation. This is, by far, the best forum I've ever belonged to and the well being of it is really important to me.

Again, I apologize for the change in process. When we realized we were not getting sufficient nominations, we appointed a Chair and Vice Chair (logically, being the two remaining members of the original Board) and asked them to approach the people they felt would be most fair minded.

You must admit, Jay, that Juan and MMMike are both level headed, fair people. I trust their judgment. I think the only reason you were not approached is that it simply didn't occur to them. I should have put your name forward myself, but I did not. I apologize for that. I looked at the members they suggested, saw a good balance of age/political leanings/temperament and agreed. It was an oversight on my part and not intended to be a slight in any manner at all.

I hope you choose to accept my apology and we can move forward. The next election will be handled with more skill. When you know better, you do better.
 

Jay

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The administrations openness and forthcoming admissions to mistakes in these issues is greatly appreciated, not only by myself I'm sure, but by all members who take interest.
 

#juan

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If anyone is at fault here

over the selection of the new board members, it is me. I believe the first call for nominations was made in the middle of a worsening situation. Some of the people who left, didn't inform anyone that they were leaving. Some still haven't as far as I know. Instead of needing two new members we needed three, and then fIve. On the matter of qualifications, it is not as simple as it sounds. While on paper, there are quite a few who meet both the time, and the number of posts, some have taken over a year to get to the minimum of 100 posts. The people who were selected, were picked because they were available to talk to and they all have many times the minimum number of posts we asked for. Prolific posters are easier to get hold of. I left my PM in Manda's mail box for a day and a half and finally withdrew it. When five people had agreed to come and help us, I pulled back all my unanswered PMs.
 

Jay

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I guess I can appreciate that, I mean it isn't as if I'm here everyday, and I only have over 3800 posts under my belt in 1 year and 5 days....

I think that spells out the issue rather plainly, and spells out what happened. Thanks.
 

manda

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#juan said:
If anyone is at fault here

over the selection of the new board members, it is me. I believe the first call for nominations was made in the middle of a worsening situation. Some of the people who left, didn't inform anyone that they were leaving. Some still haven't as far as I know. Instead of needing two new members we needed three, and then fIve. On the matter of qualifications, it is not as simple as it sounds. While on paper, there are quite a few who meet both the time, and the number of posts, some have taken over a year to get to the minimum of 100 posts. The people who were selected, were picked because they were available to talk to and they all have many times the minimum number of posts we asked for. Prolific posters are easier to get hold of. I left my PM in Manda's mail box for a day and a half and finally withdrew it. When five people had agreed to come and help us, I pulled back all my unanswered PMs.

All right then, fair enough, I had explained that I was pretty much unavailable for a while, but if that disqualifies me as a prolific poster juan, so be it.

This just isn't worth the argument
 

Jay

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"This just isn't worth the argument"

Agreed....
 

#juan

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Hi Manda

While I think the board of directors is important and we should have got it back running as quick as we did, I don't think I am the only one capable of running it. I will gladly step down and give you my seat.
 

manda

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Like I said Juan, it isn't worth the fuss or the argument, but I think a day and a half is crazy, and for someone to be penalised for being unable to be there at that time is ridiculous, and I'm not just saying myself, although I was affected by it
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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I've been following this situation with some interest. Now that you have an interim Board of Directors in place in your effort to keep things running smoothly - with the situation now more or less stabilized, and speed no longer of essence - why not simply call an election now?