Blair apology - insincerity defined

[Karlin]

In a press statement today in front of TV cameras, British President Tony Blair spread his evil mindset to his public.

First, he apologises to the family of the Brazilian man whom London police shot dead yesterday.

Then he goes on to say "imagine if this man had been armed with a bomb and the police had NOT shot him when they had the chance" .
With that, his public goes away thinking "ya, that makes sense, what if they DIDN'T shoot that guy, and there had been an explosion.."
" Its not like there are a lot of
'deaf Muslim-looking people wearing heavy coats in warm weather who are late for their train and are running to catch it, with cops shouting at him to stop running'
type of people around London, so shoot them. "

'"They are rare, so its not going to involve a lot of us.
They should be shot to protect the rest of us.
That is okay.
Now that Blair explained it to us. "


And so what does that apology mean after that? - He actually ISN'T sorry, and he explains why!

He is "not sorry" that it happened, it was a good measure.

So next its okay for the Youth Wing to round up certain groups of people? [harkening to hitlerisms]

 

[no1important]

RE: Blair apology - insin

He is just spinning. If Blair was a real man he would go to the Hague and turn himself in to be tried as a war criminal.

 

[mrmom2]

 

[Sy]

In a press statement today in front of TV cameras, British President Tony Blair spread his evil mindset to his public.

First, he apologises to the family of the Brazilian man whom London police shot dead yesterday.

Then he goes on to say "imagine if this man had been armed with a bomb and the police had NOT shot him when they had the chance" .
With that, his public goes away thinking "ya, that makes sense, what if they DIDN'T shoot that guy, and there had been an explosion.."
" Its not like there are a lot of
'deaf Muslim-looking people wearing heavy coats in warm weather who are late for their train and are running to catch it, with cops shouting at him to stop running'
type of people around London, so shoot them. "

'"They are rare, so its not going to involve a lot of us.
They should be shot to protect the rest of us.
That is okay.
Now that Blair explained it to us. "


And so what does that apology mean after that? - He actually ISN'T sorry, and he explains why!

He is "not sorry" that it happened, it was a good measure.

So next its okay for the Youth Wing to round up certain groups of people? [harkening to hitlerisms]

This is totally wrong! Mr. Tony Blair is not the British President.
He is in fact the Prime Minister.

 

[PoisonPete2]

This is totally wrong! Mr. Tony Blair is not the British President.
He is in fact the Prime Minister.

Answer - Amazing!!! Trying to discredit an entire position based on an error of marginal importance. Yes, Prime Minister, not President, so "This is totally wrong". Very clever indeed.

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Frappuccino Dibs]

A mistake made - yes. Blair insincere - maybe.

I wonder what the general feeling will be about the whole 'Shoot to kill' policy when the police actually manage to shoot the right person.

The fact is, the concept of 'shoot to kill' policy is the right one in certain circumstances. I would rather the bad guy got a bullit in the head than the chance to blow up a train etc.

Lets put this into perspective - the British police etc. are hardly well known for being armed. The US police are armed, a hell of a lot of the European countries police forces are armed, no doubt most eastern countries are armed. I wonder just how many mistake killings have happened across the world by police officers.

This is a big deal mostly because it's so new in the UK.

This dosn't make it right - killing isn't right period, but to come down so hard on a guy who is in a difficult position is wrong.

What should Blair and the police do? If you were Blair, what would you have said? "Killing the dude was completely wrong and we're very sorry". Following this, to not look a complete hypocrite, he would then have to lift the 'Shoot to kill' policy. Do we really want terrorists to walk around and not shoot the Bastards?

I see what you guys are saying, but I don't see how Blair could have worded things differently and not put himself, the government and the police force in a more difficult position than the one presented by terrorism in the first place.

It's easy for people here to slam Blair, but what would you say in his place?

 

[missile]

Heck! Many innocent people are shot each day in the USA by the police, and they get away with it[using that old cliche:He was reaching for something, and i thought he had a gun!]

 

[PoisonPete2]

this is not a new thing for the British Police. And 8 bullets in the head is not a mistake. It is murder. They have carried out murder for years against the Catholics of Northern Ireland. Sometimes killing innocent persons. But that is war, right. They have done similar murders in London and in Gibralter. I would say to Blair " stop killing innocent People and stop the Occupation of Iraq. Pay for war reparations and appologize for real for your many transgessions."

 

[missile]

It's called collateral damage; and it's occured in every cinflict since time began. At least,the Brits keep the numbers down to the bare minimum. What else do you want Blair to do? Wear ashes and sackcloth!

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: Blair apology - insincerity defined

It's called collateral damage; and it's occured in every cinflict since time began. At least,the Brits keep the numbers down to the bare minimum. What else do you want Blair to do? Wear ashes and sackcloth!

Answer - its called 'collateral damage' by those who perpetrate it. That way you can dehumanize the victims. The civilized society calls it 'war crime'. I would have Blair frog marched in front of a war crimes tribrunal and face trial for his crimes. Then he would probably be wearing a bright orange jump suit.

 

[missile]

You'll have no trouble fitting into this forum at all There are many more Doves here than us few Hawks. Hearing the Doves cry is music to my ears[apologies to Prince]

 

[mrmom2]

What are the Brits going to do this winter shoot everybody in puffy coats I guess you can kiss a big part of the population good bye 8O

 

[PoisonPete2]

You'll have no trouble fitting into this forum at all There are many more Doves here than us few Hawks. Hearing the Doves cry is music to my ears[apologies to Prince]

Answer - so you support the murder of innocent people. How morbid is that?

 

[Frappuccino Dibs]

I qoute:

"this is not a new thing for the British Police. And 8 bullets in the head is not a mistake. It is murder. They have carried out murder for years against the Catholics of Northern Ireland. Sometimes killing innocent persons. But that is war, right. They have done similar murders in London and in Gibralter. I would say to Blair " stop killing innocent People and stop the Occupation of Iraq. Pay for war reparations and appologize for real for your many transgessions."

Well Mr Poison, having lived in the UK for 30 years now, I think I can say with some knowledge that the UK police are not well known for 1. being armed and 2. Gunning people down needlessly.

8 bullits to the head is a tad excessive and yes, could be construed as murder. If it was a sub-machine gun, maybe he was lucky it was only 8. I wonder if anybody here really knows the full circumstances of that situation.

I don't think anybody is denying the fact that needless killing is wrong, but it appears that certain people around here think that the British government are the only ones with blood on there hands regarding mistake killings and war in general.

Perhaps you should ask, Canada, Bulgaria, Italy etc. etc. to "Pay for war reparations and appologize for real for your many transgessions" as well.

Its cleaver to use the recent balls up by the British police and the difficult position of the prime minister to go on an all out verbal bender against him - it's also very short sighted.

I have some military contacts that could tell you a thing or to about Brits being killed needlessly by the IRA etc. as well.

Try and see the big picture - no single nation is exempt from blame on any of this and listen to the media at your own peril.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I qoute:

"this is not a new thing for the British Police. And 8 bullets in the head is not a mistake. It is murder. They have carried out murder for years against the Catholics of Northern Ireland. Sometimes killing innocent persons. But that is war, right. They have done similar murders in London and in Gibralter. I would say to Blair " stop killing innocent People and stop the Occupation of Iraq. Pay for war reparations and appologize for real for your many transgessions."

Well Mr Poison, having lived in the UK for 30 years now, I think I can say with some knowledge that the UK police are not well known for 1. being armed and 2. Gunning people down needlessly.

8 bullits to the head is a tad excessive and yes, could be construed as murder. If it was a sub-machine gun, maybe he was lucky it was only 8. I wonder if anybody here really knows the full circumstances of that situation.

I don't think anybody is denying the fact that needless killing is wrong, but it appears that certain people around here think that the British government are the only ones with blood on there hands regarding mistake killings and war in general.

Perhaps you should ask, Canada, Bulgaria, Italy etc. etc. to "Pay for war reparations and appologize for real for your many transgessions" as well.

Its cleaver to use the recent balls up by the British police and the difficult position of the prime minister to go on an all out verbal bender against him - it's also very short sighted.

I have some military contacts that could tell you a thing or to about Brits being killed needlessly by the IRA etc. as well.

Try and see the big picture - no single nation is exempt from blame on any of this and listen to the media at your own peril.

excellent points. Thanks.

 

[PoisonPete2]

it would be nice to see a politician actually stand up and admit to a wrongdoing. Blair put himself in that position, glibly lies to the British people and they swallow it all so willingly. The British military was an occupying force in Northern Ireland and took part in political assassinations sometimes killing the wrong person. The big picture is that both the British and American governments are in an aggressive, illegal war in Iraq, and its going to have remafications on innocent persons.

 

[Frappuccino Dibs]

PoisonPete: View the following list displaying countries with troops in Iraq as of March this year. (I'm afraid there is no figure for the US, which is interesting)

Once you've finished, perhaps you could enlighten us all on which of those countries have apologised for the illegal war in Iraq.

United Kingdom ~8,761
(includes 400 sent in Jan.05)
2 South Korea 3,600
3 Italy 3,085
4 Poland 1,700
5 Ukraine ~1,450
6 Georgia 898
(Some in support of UNAMI) 898
(Some in support of UNAMI)
7 Romania 730
8 Japan ~550
9 Denmark 496
10 Bulgaria ~450
11 El Salvador 380
12 Australia ~400
13 Netherlands 200-800(?)
14 Mongolia 180
15 Azerbaijan 151
16 Latvia 122
17 Czech Republic ~110
18 Lithuania ~120
19 Slovakia 105
20 Albania 71
21 Estonia 55
22 Armenia 46
23 Macedonia 33
24 Kazakhstan 29
25 Norway ~10

Nicaragua 0 Withdrew troops: Feb. 2004
Spain 0 Withdrew troops: Late-Apr. 2004
Dominican Republic 0 Withdrew troops: Early-May. 2004
Honduras 0 Withdrew troops: Late-May. 2004
Philippines 0 Withdrew troops: mid-Jul. 2004
Thailand 0 Withdrew troops: Late-Aug. 2004
New Zealand 0 Withdrew troops: Late-Sep. 2004
Tonga 0 Withdrew troops: mid-Dec. 2004
Portugal 0 Withdrew troops: mid-Feb. 2005
Moldova 0 Withdrew troops: Feb. 2005

 

[Frappuccino Dibs]

By the way, this list is obviously not complete as Canada also had troops in Iraq, I'm sure there are yet others as well.

 

[I think not]

I qoute:

"this is not a new thing for the British Police. And 8 bullets in the head is not a mistake. It is murder. They have carried out murder for years against the Catholics of Northern Ireland. Sometimes killing innocent persons. But that is war, right. They have done similar murders in London and in Gibralter. I would say to Blair " stop killing innocent People and stop the Occupation of Iraq. Pay for war reparations and appologize for real for your many transgessions."

Well Mr Poison, having lived in the UK for 30 years now, I think I can say with some knowledge that the UK police are not well known for 1. being armed and 2. Gunning people down needlessly.

8 bullits to the head is a tad excessive and yes, could be construed as murder. If it was a sub-machine gun, maybe he was lucky it was only 8. I wonder if anybody here really knows the full circumstances of that situation.

I don't think anybody is denying the fact that needless killing is wrong, but it appears that certain people around here think that the British government are the only ones with blood on there hands regarding mistake killings and war in general.

Perhaps you should ask, Canada, Bulgaria, Italy etc. etc. to "Pay for war reparations and appologize for real for your many transgessions" as well.

Its cleaver to use the recent balls up by the British police and the difficult position of the prime minister to go on an all out verbal bender against him - it's also very short sighted.

I have some military contacts that could tell you a thing or to about Brits being killed needlessly by the IRA etc. as well.

Try and see the big picture - no single nation is exempt from blame on any of this and listen to the media at your own peril.

excellent points. Thanks.

8O