Blair and Arnie snub Bush over global warming

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Blair and Arnie snub Bush over global warming
31st July 2006




Tough alliance: Blair and Arnie Schwarzenegger




Britain and California are preparing to sidestep the Bush administration and fight global warming together by creating a joint market for greenhouse gases.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair and California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger plan to lay the groundwork for a new trans-Atlantic market in carbon dioxide emissions, The Associated Press has learned. Such a move could help California cut carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases scientists blame for warming the planet.

President George W. Bush has rejected the idea of ordering such cuts.

Blair and Schwarzenegger were expected to announce their collaboration this afternoon in Los Angeles, according to documents provided by British government officials on condition of anonymity because the announcement was forthcoming.

The aim is to fix a price on carbon pollution, an unwanted byproduct of burning fossil fuels like coal, oil and gasoline. The idea is to set overall caps for carbon and reward businesses that find a profitable way to minimize their carbon emissions, thereby encouraging new, greener technologies.

Today's meeting was being hosted by Steve Howard, CEO of The Climate Group, and Lord John Browne, chairman of British Petroleum. British and American business leaders planned to use it to also discuss other ways of accelerating use of low-carbon technologies.

The world's only mandatory carbon trading program is in Europe. Created in conjunction with the Kyoto Protocol, a 1997 international treaty that took effect last year, it caps the amount of carbon dioxide that can be emitted from power plants and factories in more than two dozen countries.

Companies can trade rights to pollute directly with each other or through exchanges located around Europe as long as the cap is met. Canada, one of more than 160 nations that signed Kyoto, plans a similar program.

Although the United States is one of the few industrialised nations that hasn't signed the treaty, some eastern U.S. states are developing a regional cap-and-trade program. And some U.S. companies have voluntarily agreed to cap their carbon pollution as part of a new Chicago-based market.

A main target of the agreement between Britain and California is the carbon from cars, trucks and other modes of transportation. Transportation accounts for an estimated 41 per cent of California's greenhouse gas emissions and 28 percent of Britain's.

Schwarzenegger has called on California to cut its greenhouse gas emissions to 2000 levels by 2010. California was the 12th largest source of greenhouse gases in the world last year, bigger than most nations.

Blair has called on Britain to reduce carbon emissions to 60 percent of its 1990 levels by 2050. Britain also has been looking at imposing individual limits on carbon pollution. People who accumulate unused carbon allowances - for example, by driving less, or switching to less polluting vehicles - could sell them to people who exceed their allowances - for example by driving more.

Bush has resisted Blair's efforts to make carbon reduction a top international priority. After taking office, Bush reversed a 2000 campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, then withdrew U.S. support from the Kyoto treaty requiring industrialized nations to cut their greenhouse gases to below 1990 levels.

The United States is responsible for a quarter of the world's global warming pollution. Bush administration officials argue that requiring cuts in greenhouse gases would cost the U.S. economy 5 million jobs. Instead, the administration has poured billions of dollars into research aimed at slowing the growth of most greenhouse gases while advocating a global cut on one of them, methane.

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When the Terminator met the Terminated
by KIRSTY WALKER, Daily Mail

1st August 2006



Tony and Arnie greet each other in Los Angeles


Tony Blair was last night greeted by Arnold Schwarzenegger in Los Angeles in an encounter described as 'the Terminator meets the Terminated'.

Mr Blair joined the California Governor along with BP chief Lord Browne at the oil com-pany's wharf in Los Angeles.

The Prime Minister and the former Hollywood actor were there to discuss the problems of global warming.

The pair laughed and joked with each other before conducting a joint press conference in front of an environmentally-friendly BP oil tanker.

The Prime Minister was pictured waving his finger at the star of movies including The Terminator and Total Recall.

He was wearing a beige suit with a white shirt and orange tie, in contrast with Mr Blair's darker attire.

One onlooker said: 'The way Blair's days look numbered it was like seeing the Terminator meet the Terminated.'

Some suggested Mr Blair may be using Schwarzenegger's catchphrase - 'I'll be back!' - following reports over the weekend that he had been sounding out post-Downing Street job opportunities when he met prominent U.S. business leaders at a conference of Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation executives in San Francisco.

The meeting with Schwarzenegger was a welcome relief for the Prime Minister, who had spent the day working flat out behind the scenes to try to find a resolution to the Middle East peace crisis. It also gave Mr Blair an opportunity to try to shed his 'poodle' image with two snubs to George Bush.

He joined forces with Schwarzenegger on global warming and also promoted stem cell research, both topics on which he disagrees with the U.S. President.

The Prime Minister and Schwarzenegger were last night expected to announce they were looking at the creation of a transatlantic market for reducing greenhouse gases. Mr Bush has infuriated the international community by refusing to order cuts to carbon emissions.

Mr Blair and Mr Schwarzenegger hope the plan could help California cut carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases which are blamed for warming the planet.

The idea is to set overall caps for carbon and reward businesses that find a profitable way to minimise their emissions, thereby encouraging new, greener technologies.

Under the so-called 'carbon trading' scheme, governments issue carbon permits to large factories and power stations.

These permits set a limit on how much carbon dioxide, in tons, the firm is allowed produce.

If the company exceeds the limit, it can be fined. But if it is below the limit, it can sell the difference to firms worried they will exceed their allowance.

The idea is to give firms a financial incentive to invest in clean technology and cut emissions.

Mr Blair also set himself against Mr Bush yesterday by promoting stem-cell research during his five-day visit to California - less than two weeks after the President banned federal funding for research on embryonic cells.

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I wish GWB would take the issue of global warming seriously, especially since the U.S. produces a large portion of the world's greenhouse gas emissions.
 

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What will it take for that idiot of a president to admit to the scientific proof of climate change? Perhaps it's human nature to live it up now and not care about tomorrow. How many times today (a hot, humid day) did I see SUV's with ONE person in it! People are lazey. We bitch about climate change then pump up the air conditioner and get into our gas guzzler cars (then complain about the cost of gas).
The earth will survive us. We are destroying the environment for us, but once we're gone the planet will re-juvinate.
I hope oil prices continue to go up. SUV drivers have no right to complain about the cost of gas.
 

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Buskinski and his yankee cohorts don't care about trhe environment. They refused to sign the Kyoto (spelling?) Accord. Its all the bottom line for them, who cares about future generations. Most of southern Ontario's air pollution is from Yankeeland. Shrub won't do anything during his last term, so don't hold your breath.
 

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I don't want any country to sign the Kyoto Accord. I don't believe that industrialized countries should have to give their taxpayers dollars to other countries so that they can reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. I think the U.S. should come up with its own plan to deal with the problem of greenhouse gas emissions, like Canada is doing.

And I think the U.S. has to come up with some sort of energy program. (Example: Tax credit if you install solar panels.)
 

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JonB2004 said:
I don't want any country to sign the Kyoto Accord. I don't believe that industrialized countries should have to give their taxpayers dollars to other countries so that they can reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. I think the U.S. should come up with its own plan to deal with the problem of greenhouse gas emissions, like Canada is doing.

And I think the U.S. has to come up with some sort of energy program. (Example: Tax credit if you install solar panels.)

Agreed. And to add, I really don't care what Blair or Arnie thinks one way or the other. I suppose that the supporters of Blair on this issue worship him as an all-knowing god and also agree with his policy on Iraq.
 

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RE: Blair and Arnie snub

nope, they just see the effects of fossil fuels on this planet, mostly produced by north american countries....not third world ones.

It's pretty disgraceful actually.
 

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JonB2004 said:
I don't want any country to sign the Kyoto Accord. I don't believe that industrialized countries should have to give their taxpayers dollars to other countries so that they can reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. I think the U.S. should come up with its own plan to deal with the problem of greenhouse gas emissions, like Canada is doing.

And I think the U.S. has to come up with some sort of energy program. (Example: Tax credit if you install solar panels.)

The problem is the Yankeea are doing sweet dick all about their emissions. All they are concerned about is the bottom line, nothing more. They don't care, thats the problem. At least Canada cares. Kyoto should be supported.
 

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Hotshot said:
The problem is the Yankeea are doing sweet dick all about their emissions. All they are concerned about is the bottom line, nothing more. They don't care, thats the problem. At least Canada cares. Kyoto should be supported.

Really?

This is a perfect example of a Canadian nationalist. Canadian nationalism and anti-Americanism alongside misinformation go hand in hand (for a large chunk anyway). Hotshot stick to something you know about, which from your posts, appears to be very little. You try to discredit the United States in regards to its “environmental conscience”? You? That's a laugh and a half.

According to Globalis which is endorsed by UNEP, the world’s worst polluters per capita (2003 data) are as follows: Australia 26.11 metric tons, Luxembourg 24.90 metric tons, Canada 23.49 metric tons and the United States comes fourth with 23.44 metric tons.

Explain to me how Canada "cares".
 

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(notice I stated "north american countries")

Thats all true ITN, but when you consider the circumstances of each country it get's hard to judge, but certainly each country MUST now be forced to sign an agreement to cut fossil fuel emisions.

It's simply really, not rocket science now, not anymore, it's obvious to see, for the simple fact that these fuels will not be around forever should be food for thought anyway.

But yep, ITN is right, Canada is quite high up on the list, I just dont agree that the US should dismiss Kyoto out of hand, it's all about big business in the US and other non-signatories, thats all I can think would be the reason.
 

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Your reasoning would make sense Daz if Kyoto signers were actually meeting their goals and targets. I would be the first to criticize the US for its performance. But sadly with the exception of 2 or 3 countries, everybody else has not only failed or will fail to meet their targets but they are heading in the opposite direction.

Signing Kyoto for the sake of pointing fingers at the big bad US is called hypocrisy.
 

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Yep, very true, and to do so for that reason would be childish and wrong........who by the way are the 2 or 3 countries?, I'm not sure if Britain is meeting it's targets.
 

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The UK is the only country I believe that has exceeded it's targets without purchasing carbon credits. You see the catch here? Theoretically everybody could meet their "targets" by purchasing carbon credits from countries that had no shot in hell using that many GHG to begin with.

The US could sign Kyoto tomorrow, purcahse $45 billion worth of carbon credits, and it would "meet" its targets. Wonderful plan Kyoto is eh?

Kyoto is a joke and a half.
 

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That's just shocking, it's like playing "Fantasy global enviromental manager" trading credits to get a better league position, nope, as you can see, I really haven't done much research into Kyoto, but that's outrageous.

Although, I could see some powerful countries doing that actually, shocked about the UK though, although they are trying to bring into law water rationing, crazy fuel prices and high tax-benefits for people installing Wind turbines and water butt's in their homes, also the cost of solar panels has gone down sharply here.

I suppose they are trying :) lol
 

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Kyoto doesn't do enough, but it is a step in the right direction. The United States pollutes more then any other country in the world, but Canadians pollute more then Americans per capita. So we dont have a moral high ground.
 

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The UK is the only country I believe that has exceeded it's targets without purchasing carbon credits. You see the catch here? Theoretically everybody could meet their "targets" by purchasing carbon credits from countries that had no shot in hell using that many GHG to begin with.

The US could sign Kyoto tomorrow, purcahse $45 billion worth of carbon credits, and it would "meet" its targets. Wonderful plan Kyoto is eh?

Kyoto is a joke and a half.

I'm no expert on Kyoto but it's miles ahead of Bush's "wait till we're dead so we can prove it" program. I notice Bush is convinced of the science when he talks to Blair but as usual runs it as a Rove baloney campaign in public.

Kyoto does make sense. If a country is exceeding it's reduction targets for greenhouse gas emissions it's probably doing it at the expense of it's own economy. It's also benefitting those that live in the smog production fests of other countries that are making money at the expense of the rest of the planet. It's based on a formula that is scientifically calculated for the management of total earth atmospheric emissions. It wouldn't be that everyone can simply buy their way into excess because you would have to be exceeding targets to sell credits.

Unfortunately that goofball in Washington is either too dumb to figure it out or hasn't got the guts to be anything but a lapdog to business.
 

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Kreskin said:
I'm no expert on Kyoto but it's miles ahead of Bush's "wait till we're dead so we can prove it" program. I notice Bush is convinced of the science when he talks to Blair but as usual runs it as a Rove baloney campaign in public.

Bush isn’t the end all to solve the problems of the environment. There have been federal and state programs in effect for decades. Of course you never hear of the positive information. I wonder why? Let me elaborate on one program. The NDP has a program to combat GHG emissions by offering incentives, tax and otherwise to homeowners, for installing solar panels to produce electricity. Guess what? This program has been in effect in the US since the mid 70’s. Any reason why you never hear the “good” news?

Kreskin said:
Kyoto does make sense. If a country is exceeding it's reduction targets for greenhouse gas emissions it's probably doing it at the expense of it's own economy. It's also benefitting those that live in the smog production fests of other countries that are making money at the expense of the rest of the planet. It's based on a formula that is scientifically calculated for the management of total earth atmospheric emissions. It wouldn't be that everyone can simply buy their way into excess because you would have to be exceeding targets to sell credits.

No Kyoto doesn’t make sense. And I’ll explain why. Let’s take an industrialized and a third world country, this is what its all about after all. Canada and Angola. Kyoto has allocated to Angola certain permissible emissions, “coincidentally” Angola has “met” its carbon targets without implementing anything and has GHG emissions to spare. Canada on the other hand is currently 24% above 1990 levels, so any hope of meeteing its Kyoto targets by implementing environmental policies is long gone. But not all is lost, all Canada has to do is pay Angola $10 billion worth of carbon credits and theoretically Canada has “met” it’s target. So I ask you, how have GHG emissions been reduced? I’ll answer for you, they haven’t. But hey, Canada has given Angola a way to finance their new roads.

Kreskin said:
Unfortunately that goofball in Washington is either too dumb to figure it out or hasn't got the guts to be anything but a lapdog to business.

This we agree on.
 

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Being a "lapdog to business" is the job of the US Pres. it has been since George Washington was bought by the traders and switched sides..... but that's by the by, the fact that INDIA is allowed to continue at it's current rate, for me at least, invalidates Kyoto.
 

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Gonzo said:
Kyoto doesn't do enough, but it is a step in the right direction. The United States pollutes more then any other country in the world, but Canadians pollute more then Americans per capita. So we dont have a moral high ground.

Kyoto is not a step in the right direction, it has loopholes to transfer money from one country to another, it's the wrong direction.

And this isn't about a moral high ground, it's about reducing GHG emissions, and only techonology will accomplish this, not having people live in stone age standards.