Bird Flu Update: Even Scientists Are Seeing the Hoax

[Karlin]

Bird Flu Update: Even Scientists Are Seeing the Hoax
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/rappoportbirdfluscam14nov05.shtml

JON RAPPOPORT writes:
Here is a very telling snip from a recent NY Times article about bird flu and the "dreaded" H5N1 virus:
"Some experts like Peter Palese of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York said the H5N1 viruses are a false alarm. He notes that studies of serum collected in 1992 from people in rural China indicated that millions there had antibodies to the H5N1 strain. That means they had been infected with an H5N1 bird virus and recovered, apparently without incident."

Do you get what this means?

First of all, going back as far as 1992, millions of Chinese people had antibodies to H5N1. That's 13 years ago, and although you might expect that hundreds of thousands of these people would have come down with an "H5N1 illness," THEY DIDN'T.

K - There are several other links on that page to the various issues of bird flu.

Its fake - its just the "pharma-giant" corporations scaring people into taking the vaccines they make for this bird flu.
Year after year.

The Tamiflu $illions are a major incentive for creating this fear over bird flu. They even make up stories that citizens are demanding governments stockpile it , lol - did you write your MP to say that?

And that the vaccines are not so safe either...
Mercola.com is another good one for vaccine safety.

Its classic CTP OTS* - create the fear of bird flu and then sell them the solution , a vaccine and tamiflu.

* CTP OTS = "Create The Problem, Offer The Solution, you may have seen it somewhere.

Karlin

 

[FiveParadox]

I would hope that our own Government of Canada has not exercised that sort of deception in relation to their disclosure of information to the population in terms of this virus; however, I have doubts that the Government, in particular the Department of Health, would make misleading information available to the people of Canada without a good-faith belief that such information was true.

Merci pour nous avoir donné cet article, Kreskin.

 

[Karlin]

Re:MORE on collusions conspiracy deception - corporate humps

I have doubts that the Government, in particular the Department of Health, would make misleading information available to the people of Canada without a good-faith belief that such information was true.

Thanks PD, but I still say that government bodies cannot be trusted. There are a lot of examples in general of government bodies not serving the public's best interests, and lots more of trusted people gone wrong [priests for eg.].

People in positions of trust have to be trusted. Thats a big advantage when pulling the wool over a nation's eyes.

Here is another link and the Vaccine stats updated and real.

http://tinyurl.com/oltn9

" A retired vaccine researcher goes public on what the pharmaceutical industry and the health authorities don't want us to know: that vaccines are unsafe, untested and one of the greatest frauds of our time. "

"Health Authorities" are government salaried employees. They have contact with corporate and industry people all the time, and they get direction from elected officials. Believe me, the scientists and the clerks all get silenced, its not that hard.

What about the two scientists who say government stopped them from telling what they knew about global warming recently? [one in Canada, one for NASA]

What about the guy who said he tried to blow the whistle on TRANS FATS in 1994, then in 1997... and he was threatened with losing his job, thats all it took. Finally he got on CBC tv and told his tale and now trans fats are finally being taken out of the modern diet after doing in a lot of hearts.

i could go on.... those are all verifyable and recent.
This is to say nothing of Americans, 9-11 and Iraq lies....

Don't be a sheeple or a pair of ducks.
[sorry, I had to use it, too funny]
Karlin

 

[fuzzylogix]

Can't agree with you entirely on this one, Karlin. The threat of a global flu pandemic is very real. Witness the massive deaths from the Spanish flu in 1918, or the recent SARS epidemic.

The viral agent may not be H5N1. It is certainly true that many people may be immune to this particular strain. The problem with influenza viruses is that they mutate frequently. While the H5N1 at the present time seems to only affect a few people with direct contact to the infected birds, the danger is that it will mutate at some point to be more contagious to humans (ie most humans wont be immune to it) AND, it may become transmissable between humans. THIS becomes the dangerous scenario as was seen with SARS- people werent immune to SARS and it was transmissable between people.

While I agree that there is a lot of ridiculous hype about antiviral agents and the idea of stockpiling a personal supply isnt a reasonable option, and that drug companies will make a killing out of a flu pandemic, part of the government's advertising is to try to get people to have regular flu vaccinations. While these vaccines are specific for only particular strains of influenza, they appear to offer some global protection. Therefore, it could be that having a population covered by regular flu vaccinations, may prevent a pandemic.

One can look at the massive spread of AIDS around the world, all starting from contact with a mutated virus from a monkey. Influenza is more difficult to control in its spread as it is a respiratory virus. An HIV positive person can get on a crowded subway without infecting anyone but not the case with influenza.

The anti vaccine movement is a difficult topic. While I absolutely agree that there are concerns about side effects of vaccines, and that rarely death occurs from them, their overall benefit is apparent. There is a real concern that parents today are not getting their kids vaccinated- the parents say "why should I risk my kids having vaccines against measles, mumps, whooping cough, diptheria, etc--when was the last time anyone you know had these diseases??""" But the fact is that we DONT see these diseases in the Western World much, BECAUSE the community is vaccinated and this so called Herd Immunity makes it difficult for a virus to survive. If the community however starts not vaccinating the next generation, then we will start seeing these diseases emerge again. We still see these diseases in the Third World because they are not lucky enough to get vaccinations. And the death and long term sequelae of these disease is far worse than the risk of vaccination.

But I do agree that big business has its fingers in the pie and affects many of the health decisions- the Trans Fatty acid stuff is one example of companies fighting to not have to change their production line at great expense. also of course, tobacco companies...

 

[Toro]

RE: Bird Flu Update: Even

I'd be interested to know how many conspiracy-theorists would be willing to forego the vaccine if it starts to spread.

 

[fuzzylogix]

The problem is that, unlike other viruses like measles and mumps which remain fairly stable and therefore allow us to create effective vaccines, the influenza mutates regularly. Therefore any vaccine created is not 100% effective. It is this rapid mutation that makes it difficult to make a vaccine for HIV.

But yeah, I'll still be in the line up for the vaccine! And my bunker is stocked with Tamiflu right beside my Tans Fatty Acid free cookie stock.

 

[annabattler]

The so-called Spanish flu had many thousands of soldiers,living in very close quarters,to give it its' impetus.
SARS killed maybe a couple of hundred people worldwide....gracious,malaria does that in two days.
It is true that the clever viruses have learned to mutate...I suspect they always have had that ability.
Certainly the pharmaceutical companies will be the big winner...they always are.

 

[fuzzylogix]

The fact that pharmaceutical companies will make a killing doesn't negate the risks of disease. That would be equivalent to saying that because drug companies make money from cancer chemotherapy drugs, that the government is scare mongering by the propaganda to have regular colonoscopies, or to get an mole with changing colours removed....

Many millions of people live today in the similar close quarters that the soldiers lived in during the time of Spanish flu, and the flu was certainly not limited to soldiers. Today, we also have very rapid transglobal spread by virtue of air travel. Look at how West Nile Virus has become an integral part of our community in Eastern Canada, all because one person brought it in to New York!!! SARS didn't kill that many people, but the isolation and containment facilities used were far more advanced than in 1918! SARS was contained, but gave us a hint of the possible devastation a respiratory virus can cause.

You are correct that there are also many other diseases that we have to tackle in the world, such as malaria. But again, this does not negate the precautions of looking out for influenza epidemics.