Autism... caused by Vaccinations?

[dancing-loon]

Deal in an Autism Case Fuels Debate on Vaccine

Published: March 8, 2008
Study after study has failed to show any link between vaccines and autism, but many parents of autistic children remain unconvinced. For the skeptics, the case of 9-year-old Hannah Poling shows that they have been right along.

The government has conceded that vaccines may have hurt Hannah, and it has agreed to pay her family for her care. Advocates say the settlement — reached last fall in a federal compensation court for people injured by vaccines, but disclosed only in recent days — is a long-overdue government recognition that vaccinations can cause autism.

“This decision gives people significant reason to be cautious about vaccinating their children,” John Gilmore, executive director of the group Autism United, said Friday.
Mr. Gilmore has filed his own claim that his son became autistic as a result of vaccinations.
Government officials say they have made no such concession.

Hannah, of Athens, Ga., was 19 months old and developing normally in 2000 when she received five shots against nine infectious diseases. Two days later, she developed a fever, cried inconsolably and refused to walk. Over the next seven months she spiraled downward, and in 2001 she was given a diagnosis of autism.

Read the full article here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/08/us/08vaccine.html?ref=us

I'm glad this case made it into the news, although not the headline it deserves!! It's understandable the governments want to keep this issue out of the public. Imagine what would happen if many cases of retardation could be linked to vaccinations??? Years ago already I read leaflets from a private organization in England who tried to expose and make public the side effects from vaccinations. My own children were never vaccinated against anything! In those days we could still get away with it!!! Try it now!:roll:

 

[Kreskin]

What is the bigger risk? The vaccine or not having it?

 

[karrie]

There are quite a few reasons why these cases haven't prompted health care officials to stop vaccinating.

One major reason is that autism tends to manifest around 2 yrs of age regardless of vaccine schedules. Much of it could be a coincidental correlation.

Another reason is that the incidence of complication from vaccines is found to be outweighed by the incidences and effects of the illnesses they prevent.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Read the full article here...

Read a proper understanding of it here.

 

[Imp]

Actually, read this...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8243264/

KENNEDY: Exactly. What happened was the vaccine schedule was increased. We went up from receiving about 10 vaccines in our generation to these kids receive 24 vaccines. And they all had this Thimerosal in them, this mercury. And nobody bothered to do an analysis of what the cumulative impact of all that mercury was doing to kids. As it turns out, we are injecting our children with 400 times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considers safe. A child on his first day that he is born is injected with a Hepatitis B shot. Under EPA guidelines, he would have to be 275 pounds to safely absorb that shot.
SCARBOROUGH: And yet, we are just constantly pumping our kids with these vaccines. Where is the federal government in all of this?

KENNEDY: What happened was that, in 1988, one in every 2,500 American children had autism. Today, one in every 166 children has autism. And, plus, one in six have other kinds of learning disorders, other kinds of neurological disorders, speech delay, language disorders, ADD, hyperactivity, that all seem to be connected, that are all connected, the science shows are all connected to autism — to Thimerosal.

and also...

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...-companies-investigated-for-manslaughter.aspx

A formal investigation has been launched by French authorities against two managers from drug companies GlaxoSmithKline and Sanofi Pasteur. A second investigation for manslaughter has also been opened against Sanofi Pasteur MSD.

The investigations are in response to allegations that the companies failed to fully disclose side effects from an anti-hepatitis B drug used between 1994 and 1998.

During this time, close to two-thirds of the French population, and almost all newborn babies, received a hepatitis B vaccine. The vaccination campaign was halted after concerns rose over the shot’s side effects.

Thirty plaintiffs, including the families of five people who died after the vaccination, have launched a civil action in the case against the drug companies.

 

[dancing-loon]

Imp:

During this time, close to two-thirds of the French population, and almost all newborn babies, received a hepatitis B vaccine. The vaccination campaign was halted after concerns rose over the shot’s side effects.

What a lucrative business this vaccination business is!!8O

 

[Imp]

Imp:What a lucrative business this vaccination business is!!8O

Hummm. I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or serious.

I find it funny you would choose to quote the profitable part, and not discuss the damages it does to the children. :-?

But in case you are being serious, drug companies are needed for the vaccinations and, yup, get profit. But they failed to release the ingredients, mainly because they changed them and were well aware of the out come.
That the children receiving them will injected with so many unneeded ingredients they will cause learning disorders, other kinds of neurological disorders, speech delay, language disorders, ADD, hyperactivity, etc.

 

[dancing-loon]

Hi, Imp;
this subject is not new to me. Yes, I am perhaps sarcastically realistic. :roll: Drug companies do not have our health and welfare first and foremost in mind. That's a myth! They are businesses oriented on making profits, HUGE profits for their executives, managers and shareholders!!!

No drug is ever a safe drug. Most bodies can deal with the side-effects and recover, but many bodies can not and show symptoms from mild to severe.
When I was a kid, the only vaccination I got was against small pox, and Mom says it made me quite ill, but I recovered.
I battled measles, mumps, chicken pox, whooping cough and scarlet fever with a nasty middle ear infection without anti-biotics, with my bodies own defenses ... all under six years of age! I have been a very healthy pig ever since!:lol:

Where do you find in this day and age a Mom who will administer a sweat-bath to her kid? Probably unheard of!!! The kid gets some anti-biotics plus whatever else to bring the fever down etc.
Fever is a natural defense mechanism of the body, you don't stifle it, unless it climbs too high.
My Mom would have me sit up in bed, wrap an in ice cold water dunked and wrung-out linen towel around my chest, that would make me yelp! Another dry towel over that, held tight to my body with safety pins. Then wrapped in a full-body sheet, including the head, only the eyes mouth and nose free. Then came two feather beds (ticks?) over top!! Oh, not to forget the two big mugs of chamomile tea I had to sip!! A hot water bottle by the feet.
This sweat bath (Schwitzbad) lasted for about 1 1/2 to 2 hours. And sweat I did!! Mom would come frequently to wipe the sweat from my face, because my arms were wrapped in under the big sheet.
Afterwards she would wash me down and put a fresh nightgown on me and all fresh bedlinen. I felt weak, but much better!!
Those were the "biotics" of the olden days!! I still swear by them!

 

[Imp]

Hi, Imp;
this subject is not new to me. Yes, I am perhaps sarcastically realistic. :roll: Drug companies do not have our health and welfare first and foremost in mind. That's a myth! They are businesses oriented on making profits, HUGE profits for their executives, managers and shareholders!!!

No drug is ever a safe drug. Most bodies can deal with the side-effects and recover, but many bodies can not and show symptoms from mild to severe.
When I was a kid, the only vaccination I got was against small pox, and Mom says it made me quite ill, but I recovered.
I battled measles, mumps, chicken pox, whooping cough and scarlet fever with a nasty middle ear infection without anti-biotics, with my bodies own defenses ... all under six years of age! I have been a very healthy pig ever since!:lol:

Where do you find in this day and age a Mom who will administer a sweat-bath to her kid? Probably unheard of!!! The kid gets some anti-biotics plus whatever else to bring the fever down etc.
Fever is a natural defense mechanism of the body, you don't stifle it, unless it climbs too high.
My Mom would have me sit up in bed, wrap an in ice cold water dunked and wrung-out linen towel around my chest, that would make me yelp! Another dry towel over that, held tight to my body with safety pins. Then wrapped in a full-body sheet, including the head, only the eyes mouth and nose free. Then came two feather beds (ticks?) over top!! Oh, not to forget the two big mugs of chamomile tea I had to sip!! A hot water bottle by the feet.
This sweat bath (Schwitzbad) lasted for about 1 1/2 to 2 hours. And sweat I did!! Mom would come frequently to wipe the sweat from my face, because my arms were wrapped in under the big sheet.
Afterwards she would wash me down and put a fresh nightgown on me and all fresh bedlinen. I felt weak, but much better!!
Those were the "biotics" of the olden days!! I still swear by them!

Hi dancing loon.

I agree with you, they do not have our health in mind, just the oppurtinity to line their pockets.
Although with these shots I have a feeling it was an experiment on our kids, for whatever reason, and it pisses me off.

My son has neurological issues which we deal with daily. I love him dearly just like he is and won't change things for the world. But I am pissed at the drug companies for doing what they did and damaging my child.

I, like you, have had mumps, measles, chicken pox and whooping cough as a child. I've never heard or went thru the sweat-bath, but that was a good read and interesting and more a route I would choose then putting more drugs down the kids throats.

We only received like 10 shots, nowadays they are giving the kids 26 or somesuch. Unbelievable. Then have the audacity to put mercury in them and then say mercury is good for you. WTF? I think they are on crack to say something like that.

I won't get the flu shot either. I know a gal who did in NY and was sick the entire year up until I left. I bet she still is.
I'd rather have my own immune system fight it off, like you do.

Cheers.

 

[karrie]

Hi, Imp;
this subject is not new to me. Yes, I am perhaps sarcastically realistic. :roll: Drug companies do not have our health and welfare first and foremost in mind. That's a myth! They are businesses oriented on making profits, HUGE profits for their executives, managers and shareholders!!!

No drug is ever a safe drug. Most bodies can deal with the side-effects and recover, but many bodies can not and show symptoms from mild to severe.
When I was a kid, the only vaccination I got was against small pox, and Mom says it made me quite ill, but I recovered.
I battled measles, mumps, chicken pox, whooping cough and scarlet fever with a nasty middle ear infection without anti-biotics, with my bodies own defenses ... all under six years of age! I have been a very healthy pig ever since!...

Word of advice. If your doctor isn't aware that you had scarlet fever, you'd best make them aware of it, and have a thorough heart check up. I've seen four people need surgery to repair the valves in their hearts, which start to fail at around 30-40 yrs of age, due to scarlet fever. The last one, my uncle, died because of it. Just thought I'd mention it.

 

[dancing-loon]

Thank you, Karrie, for your good advice.
I think I'm o.k..... had my heart recently turned inside out and it was found to be o.k.!
Big relief!!!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

But with regard to the thread title, "Autism... caused by Vaccinations?" the evidence is, NO.

 

[gerryh]

But with regard to the thread title, "Autism... caused by Vaccinations?" the evidence is, NO.

ROFLMAO


That's right....vacinations are perfectly safe....because the almighty GOD science and it's preists (scientists) have told their followers that it is all good. Praise be to science.

 

[hermanntrude]

I agree. it's much better that we have widespread outbreaks of polio.

 

[Imp]

Well, hell, why don't we encourage them to add 23 more unneeded ingredients.

Maybe they can get our kids to slip into a vegetative state or early death.

Who knows what the future holds. Maybe our grandkids can be born mutants. The sky is the limit.

 

[tracy]

But with regard to the thread title, "Autism... caused by Vaccinations?" the evidence is, NO.

This is my problem with scientific studies in the media. People read the headline and do little research beyond that.

The thing about this whole vaccine causes autism bs is that they always claimed that thimerisol caused autism. Thimerisol was removed from vaccines years ago, yet the number of autism cases have not decreased. Doesn't anyone see the flaw in that logic?

 

[tracy]

I agree. it's much better that we have widespread outbreaks of polio.

Sounds great to me! We saw a big increase in whooping cough outbreaks in BC because of this whole thing. I have no problem with people choosing not to immunize as long as they are willing to keep their kids away from others when outbreaks do occur so they aren't spreading it to others.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

ROFLMAO

That's right....vacinations are perfectly safe....because the almighty GOD science and it's preists (scientists) have told their followers that it is all good. Praise be to science.

:roll: Straw man fallacy. I didn't say vaccinations are perfectly safe, I said only that the evidence indicates they are not a cause of autism. Vaccinations aren't perfectly safe, no treatment is, that's common knowledge, and health authorities like the CDC keep statistics on it. Between 5 and 15% of children who get the MMR vaccine, for instance, develop a fever within a week or two, and about 5% develop a rash. Central nervous system problems like encephalitis have been reported with a frequency of less than one per million doses. And as with any agent that can induce a fever, a tiny number of children with other known risk factors for convulsions suffer febrile seizures.

No technology is zero risk, but the risks of vaccination are far smaller than the risks of not vaccinating. It's only in about the last century that parents could routinely count on all their children surviving to adulthood instead of half of them being carried off by infectious disease in their first decade of life. You want to go back to that?

 

[MikeyDB]

Tracy

And isn't this the most egregious facet of all?

We're conditioned to believe in the honesty and integrity of the clergy of policemen and policewomen, astronauts and sports celebrities...etc. etc. etc. and for generations we've been lied to stolen from and hoodwinked by various "codes" of silence and "honor".

Now it might be fair and even realistic to suggest that this is the way it's always been....

We've failed and continue to fail any potential future generations by benignly accepting that what we are told is the "truth".... Every mechanism from the promulgation of fear to gender stereotyping and rampant consumerism's re-definition of greed is embraced by our postmodern societies.

What to do?

 

[tracy]

What to do?

Maybe taing the time to do more than read one article, accepting it at face value and then claiming that it's conclusions are absolute truth would be nice? I've seen it happen in my own field and it causes so many problems thanks to our lawsuit happy society. Doctors, hospitals, nurses, pharmaceutical companies, etc. all fear being sued so any time an article comes out they adjust their practice to it regardless of the fact that the article has no scientific value.