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You've never heard of executing a warrant or summons, criminal or civil, from Canada to the US? The US federal and state courts will honor them. There are statutes every lawyer knows about and that work just fine. Y'all're showing your ignorance.

You just don't gettit that you are the one being rude, do y'all? This is Canada. We do not have "Founding Fathers". When you refer to "Our" Founding Fathers you are being rude. If I post on a US site I don't refer to "Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms" because y'all don't have one. It would be rude.

Why can't you just say sorry and move on? Typical Yank arrogance?
You should. The Charter is an excellent document for comparative purposes. If you were to introduce it to the large majority of the Yanks who aren't aware of it, you might participate in educating some folk. Which'd be a welcome break from your usual routine of being a skidmark on the tighty whities of the internet.
 

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"Our Founding Fathers"? This site is Canadian. Canada's founders are not referred to as "Founding Fathers" and we hold them in no greater reverence than we hold any other politicians.



"Our Founding Fathers?" This is a Canadian site. We don't call our founders "Founding Fathers". Nor do we worship our founders more than we worship any politician - which is to say not at all.



Tober,


You haven't been here too long but if you read the posts from the wannabes you'd swear they were more American than we Yanks are. And many even believe they know our history and politics better than we do!

Small wonder why the wannabes spend so much time criticizing Obama - it gets people's attention away from the failings of their conservative party government.
 

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Tober,

You haven't been here too long but if you read the posts from the wannabes you'd swear they were more American than we Yanks are. And many even believe they know our history and politics better than we do!

No surprises there. However you must grant one factor. We are inundated with US culture including US history. Many Americans are unable to distinguish between fact and fiction about America. Americans are often given media-slanted versions of their history. Look at how often we read online about people who demand that John Wayne be given a military medal by the US government? The man never served a day in his life - he was the ultimate pretend soldier. A Canadian with an unusual interest in specific portions of US history might well win a debate on specific points of his interest. Americans often get it wrong where Hollywood has dramatized matters. You're in a poor position to express surprise that we have opinions about yer politics and history after you've deluged us with them.

Besides, it is sooo much fun an' so easy to get a rise outta y'all an' yer wannabes.

Small wonder why the wannabes spend so much time criticizing Obama - it gets people's attention away from the failings of their conservative party government.

Cuck fonservatives. Harper has been in the hot seat long enough. Problem is, replace him with who? The dilettante Trudeau? The NDP - that might be taking too much of a chance given their left wing extremists. Trudeau's got nothing to do. Let him sit in opposition long enough to develop and then see.
 
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You've never heard of executing a warrant or summons, criminal or civil, from Canada to the US? The US federal and state courts will honor them. There are statutes every lawyer knows about and that work just fine. Y'all're showing your ignorance.

You just don't gettit that you are the one being rude, do y'all? This is Canada. We do not have "Founding Fathers". When you refer to "Our" Founding Fathers you are being rude. If I post on a US site I don't refer to "Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms" because y'all don't have one. It would be rude.

Why can't you just say sorry and move on? Typical Yank arrogance?

Well you only recognize rude as a one way street.
What do I have to be sorry for?
 

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What do I have to be sorry for?

America is like a huge kid on a schoolyard full of smaller kids. It dominates everything, and besides that is very loud and arrogant as a nation. If a guy from the Dominican Republic came to a Canadian site talking about "Our Founding Fathers" it would carry with it no hint of dominance. When Americans do the same thing it does. That is why "Canadian content" laws were passed in the arts. Often without any attempt to intimidate or be rude things said by Americans can be so. One expression you will hear from time to time by Canadfian commentators is what it is like "sleeping beside the elephant."

I accept that no rudeness was intended if you say so. Still, as I wrote earlier this thread, if I was on a US site (and I often am, but not as "tober") I would not refer to "our Charter" in a post to the general membership. That is probably because I am aware of the issue from the Canadian side.

Sorry if I was rude. I probably was. I am sensitized to the issue. That doesn't mean it's not an issue.
 

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America is like a huge kid on a schoolyard full of smaller kids. It dominates everything, and besides that is very loud and arrogant as a nation. If a guy from the Dominican Republic came to a Canadian site talking about "Our Founding Fathers" it would carry with it no hint of dominance. When Americans do the same thing it does. That is why "Canadian content" laws were passed in the arts. Often without any attempt to intimidate or be rude things said by Americans can be so. One expression you will hear from time to time by Canadfian commentators is what it is like "sleeping beside the elephant."

I accept that no rudeness was intended if you say so. Still, as I wrote earlier this thread, if I was on a US site (and I often am, but not as "tober") I would not refer to "our Charter" in a post to the general membership. That is probably because I am aware of the issue from the Canadian side.

Sorry if I was rude. I probably was. I am sensitized to the issue. That doesn't mean it's not an issue.

When a US Forum Member refers to Founding father he/she is correct. They are not implying in any way they are Canada's Fathers of Confederation.
How and why you get so upset is beyond me.
And as to our Charter- Look to the US Constitution for similar rights. Mind you ours was written about 200 years later.
In Canada when a PM has a majority- it is and can be no different in many ways than a dictatorship.
Why do you think Putin made his remark about the power of a Canadian PM.

As to your reference on the power of the US. Pick the next country that will be number 1 and ask, which one would you prefer.
I know which one I would pick.

As to Canadian Content in the Arts- a funnel for money for losers.
Excepting the CBC.
 

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No surprises there. However you must grant one factor. We are inundated with US culture including US history. Many Americans are unable to distinguish between fact and fiction about America. Americans are often given media-slanted versions of their history. Look at how often we read online about people who demand that John Wayne be given a military medal by the US government? The man never served a day in his life - he was the ultimate pretend soldier. A Canadian with an unusual interest in specific portions of US history might well win a debate on specific points of his interest. Americans often get it wrong where Hollywood has dramatized matters. You're in a poor position to express surprise that we have opinions about yer politics and history after you've deluged us with them.

Besides, it is sooo much fun an' so easy to get a rise outta y'all an' yer wannabes.


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John Wayne was a draft dodger and this is a point that has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.

His "pappy" John Ford was older than he was and served during WW II and condemned his cowardly culo for refusing to serve like he did.



As for wannabes and their opinions, that's OK with me - only that it should be an informed opinion. Plus, if they are going to criticize Obama on the ridiculous grounds that he is causing young adults to return to live home with their parents, then these wannabes should be even more critical of their own government for causing an even higher percentage of the population for do so.
 

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When a US Forum Member refers to Founding father he/she is correct. They are not implying in any way they are Canada's Fathers of Confederation. How and why you get so upset is beyond me.

You miss my point. US influence is pervasive. Little by little it has suffocated much of what used to be Canadian in the music industry. It isn't deliberate colonizing by most people, but if the US decides to bar from the airwaves everything that isn't Southern twang the result can kill Canadian country talent - and has done so. When is the last time you heard much Maritime music? It grows some, but American refusal to permit anything that isn't making certain people wealthy has a cultural impact here. Like it or not.

If you can watch what America does to the Third World as a matter of policy and not be upset, I feel sorry for you. Truthfully. I grew up right after WW2 when the kinds of things Nazi Germany had done were discussed regularly. We were taught to fear, despise and watch out for that kind of nation. They were the kinds of things that US propaganda in the '50's and '60's told us communists did, and that they were so threatening we should be prepared to go to war to prevent them. I believed, and I joined the RCN in 1967. I see no reason even now not to fear and resist that kind of behavior from foreign countries. America is a foreign country that is doing those things now.

And as to our Charter- Look to the US Constitution for similar rights. Mind you ours was written about 200 years later.

Do you think I am discussing the merits of constitutions? My posts this thread express no issue with anybody's constitution - America's or ours. People who studied foreign legal systems during the Cold War learned that the constitution of the USSR was more liberal than the Constitution of the US or our Charter. Great Britain doesn't even have a written constitution. The written constitution doesn't matter as much as the culture of the nation.

In Canada when a PM has a majority- it is and can be no different in many ways than a dictatorship.
Why do you think Putin made his remark about the power of a Canadian PM.

I don't know what Putin said. But I take no issue with Russia per se and would likely agree if he made sense.

As to your reference on the power of the US. Pick the next country that will be number 1 and ask, which one would you prefer. I know which one I would pick.

I fail to see the relevance of this point? If you're interested in a totally amoral war, study the Opium Wars. The Opium Wars, also known as the Anglo-Chinese Wars, divided into the First Opium War from 1839 to 1842 and the Second Opium War from 1856 to 1860. Opium Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The root cause of the Opium Wars was tea. Tea purchases from India were so depleting the British treasury that Britain forced opium sales onto coastal China to make Chinese addicts and recoup lost tea profits.

I wasn't around then so I had no opportunity to comment. However we know what the world thought of Germans who lived without comment with the death camps, and everything else is just variations on that theme. If you think you should not have an adverse opinion about war mongering and atrocities, this is a subject with a well developed history. Maybe you just don't think its happening in your lifetime? That's what Germans thought in WW2. "We" collectively went to war in 1939 when Hitler did to Poland nothing that was morally different from what America did to Iraq or Vietnam.


As to Canadian Content in the Arts - a funnel for money for losers. Excepting the CBC.

Is that your political opinion or your economic opinion? I think you grossly underestimate the effect Canadian content had from 1929 on House of Commons Committees - HERI (37-2) - OUR CULTURAL SOVEREIGNTY The Second Century of Canadian Broadcasting - Cover page. Perhaps some people are just willfully blind if they think they're getting cheaper music? Anybody who thinks that sleeping beside the elephant is without consequence is probably just tuned out to it. IMO anyway.