RE: Are there any humanis
stretching over thousands of star systems?
now you are starting to sound like a transhumanist.
stretching over thousands of star systems?
now you are starting to sound like a transhumanist.
Are there any humanist here?
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humanist's can have a religion!
Anyhow I'm a De-ist which is basically a humanist for all intence and purposes.
Anyhow most of the humanist theorists have all been religous but didn't believe so much in orginized religion. I know many however became very anti religion altogether, but I would never say in a generalist view point that humanists don't believe in god.
Anyhow I'm a De-ist which is basically a humanist for all intence and purposes.
Anyhow most of the humanist theorists have all been religous but didn't believe so much in orginized religion. I know many however became very anti religion altogether, but I would never say in a generalist view point that humanists don't believe in god.
RE: Are there any humanis
the point is that i like the human race, i want my kids and their kids and so on to live on. i would like to see the true power of the human race relized. i feel we are too consumed about ourselves and don't look at what we can become. right now we are going around in circles. fighting amougst ourselves. there is more to life than that. do you want to see the countries conquering planets or the race as a whole conquering planets?
off topic, how long do these threads stay up? and i would like to thank you guys for posting. i always keep a opened mind and i will re-read all of your posts and enhance what i know
the point is that i like the human race, i want my kids and their kids and so on to live on. i would like to see the true power of the human race relized. i feel we are too consumed about ourselves and don't look at what we can become. right now we are going around in circles. fighting amougst ourselves. there is more to life than that. do you want to see the countries conquering planets or the race as a whole conquering planets?
off topic, how long do these threads stay up? and i would like to thank you guys for posting. i always keep a opened mind and i will re-read all of your posts and enhance what i know
RE: Are there any humanis
correct finder, humanists may or may not believe in "gods" or other classes of entities (they may or may not also adopt "separate gods" or "enveloping gods").
neallo, i am not too certian i want humans in any form "conquering" other planets given their track record with planets. Look up the transhumanist movement though (http://www.transhumanism.org). It sounds like you would enjoy their approach.
correct finder, humanists may or may not believe in "gods" or other classes of entities (they may or may not also adopt "separate gods" or "enveloping gods").
neallo, i am not too certian i want humans in any form "conquering" other planets given their track record with planets. Look up the transhumanist movement though (http://www.transhumanism.org). It sounds like you would enjoy their approach.
Humanism, Deism, or any indivudiality based concept become's corrupted inside a group dynamic and represents more and more what it has come to despise. *shrugs*
Look at Communist Parties of the former Soviet Union and China, which are supposed to have been humanist like orginizations. They were both Humanist and socialist in princibles, and in the end became proponants of cult of personalities and state capitalism.
Look at Communist Parties of the former Soviet Union and China, which are supposed to have been humanist like orginizations. They were both Humanist and socialist in princibles, and in the end became proponants of cult of personalities and state capitalism.
RE: Are there any humanis
isn't one of the points of deism that it is an unrevealed religion and as such doesn't have "groups"? (the "there is this creator way beyond us and as such has nothing to do with us. life goes on" mantra?)
isn't one of the points of deism that it is an unrevealed religion and as such doesn't have "groups"? (the "there is this creator way beyond us and as such has nothing to do with us. life goes on" mantra?)
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Yup thats why I stay away from groups of humanists or deists. As they will become what they say they are getting away from. (jesus hope that makes sence).
Basicly in a nutshell De-ists believe in god, Christian or whatever you wish to believe in, which made the world and like a watch maker who makes a watch leave the world to it's own devices only coming by to repair it once and awhile, but generally leaves it alone. *shrugs*
All the great thinkers of the enlightments where deists. Or at least most of them.
the caracal kid said:
Yup thats why I stay away from groups of humanists or deists. As they will become what they say they are getting away from. (jesus hope that makes sence).
Basicly in a nutshell De-ists believe in god, Christian or whatever you wish to believe in, which made the world and like a watch maker who makes a watch leave the world to it's own devices only coming by to repair it once and awhile, but generally leaves it alone. *shrugs*
All the great thinkers of the enlightments where deists. Or at least most of them.
but do you guys want to live in a united earth? not sure who said it but the saying goes something like this..
" society corrupts people, they re not born corrupt"
with our planet united we can organized our planets resources better.
hitler was able to create a country totally dedicated to their nazi beliefs. now i disagree with what was done, but its the fact that he was able to turn the country to look one way that is a accomplishment.
why cant we make a empire that was just as dedicated as they were to their cause, but have everyone commited to this cause. thats why i wrote out the human, something that everyone can relate too.
what you say about that?
" society corrupts people, they re not born corrupt"
with our planet united we can organized our planets resources better.
hitler was able to create a country totally dedicated to their nazi beliefs. now i disagree with what was done, but its the fact that he was able to turn the country to look one way that is a accomplishment.
why cant we make a empire that was just as dedicated as they were to their cause, but have everyone commited to this cause. thats why i wrote out the human, something that everyone can relate too.
what you say about that?
united earth would be nice... but the only people who can decide that is the people living on earth and I doubt knowing human nature as it is, this could ever happen. I guess if you were a Utopian Humanist you might believe this but if you are a Utopian Humanist, you miles while just be a communist. I would hazerd to say the magority of humanists are not Utopian Humanists.
i dont fully agree with the transhumanist theory. i support stem cell research so that people are able to things they couldn't do before. i.e. see, hear, walk etc. things that mos people take forgranted. myself i would hate to be blind. i love this world and the marvales that surrond it. i.e. seeing a red cardinal sitting in a tree after it had just snowed we really cool.
RE: Are there any humanis
makes complete sense finder. that is why i don't identify with or belong to any "groups" (and why i don't publish my own philosophical writings).
neallo, what kind of cause would it be? do not forget that for every choice, you must negate another (or many). Why do we need an empire? Can we not achieve harmony and progress without a "strong-arm". If we can not, then humanity is not ready. We need peace and tolorance from the bottom, not the top, if it is to be lasting and immersive.
makes complete sense finder. that is why i don't identify with or belong to any "groups" (and why i don't publish my own philosophical writings).
neallo, what kind of cause would it be? do not forget that for every choice, you must negate another (or many). Why do we need an empire? Can we not achieve harmony and progress without a "strong-arm". If we can not, then humanity is not ready. We need peace and tolorance from the bottom, not the top, if it is to be lasting and immersive.
finder, if you and I want a united earth, then why should we care if it can happen or not. we are up to 2 people already, there bound to be more. 6 billion people and we can get something to work?
another reason i bring this up is because people are always saying that the world is going to hell. i am tired of hearing it. and i'm tired of hearing people complaining about it and not doing anything about it.
i want to do somehting about before its too late.
Why do we need an empire? Can we not achieve harmony and progress without a "strong-arm".
i am sorry that i am not as smart as others, my vocabulary is small, that was the best name that i could come up with :wink:
i always thought that it was the thought that counts
another reason i bring this up is because people are always saying that the world is going to hell. i am tired of hearing it. and i'm tired of hearing people complaining about it and not doing anything about it.
i want to do somehting about before its too late.
Why do we need an empire? Can we not achieve harmony and progress without a "strong-arm".
i am sorry that i am not as smart as others, my vocabulary is small, that was the best name that i could come up with :wink:
i always thought that it was the thought that counts
RE: Are there any humanis
well, lets consider this "empire" more closely, because it is indeed what may be mandated to acomplish your goals. Humans are social animals, but they are not drones. The human is in constant friction between the needs of the one and the needs of the society (and wants). Often, these needs and wants are common but there are many higher order needs that will cause various levels of friction, depending on the individual and the structure of the society he/she is a member of (for a simpler look at this, examine organizational behavior. there is a good reason companies put energy into determining personality fit of potential hires.)
Now lets think about the dyanmics of humans. How many humans are alike? If it is hard to find people that "fit" with the organizational structure of a company, imagine the difficulty in creating a structure that meets the needs of ALL humans as part of a smoothly running common-goal driven system. (hint: corperations can not achieve this and they pick their members as well as not completely engulfing the lives of their members).
So indeed, a "Strong-arm" approach would be necessary of this global unity organization if it were to be more than just a "namesake". Given the nature of humans, it is more realistic to find ways to intertwine the tribes so that it is in each tribes interest to protect the other tribes (what is good for you is good for me). We are ever increasingly doing this through globalization.
Now many of our antiquated methodologies and ideologies need to be retired before we can reach "world peace", which incidentally is not an end to bloodshed, but an end to warmongering.
well, lets consider this "empire" more closely, because it is indeed what may be mandated to acomplish your goals. Humans are social animals, but they are not drones. The human is in constant friction between the needs of the one and the needs of the society (and wants). Often, these needs and wants are common but there are many higher order needs that will cause various levels of friction, depending on the individual and the structure of the society he/she is a member of (for a simpler look at this, examine organizational behavior. there is a good reason companies put energy into determining personality fit of potential hires.)
Now lets think about the dyanmics of humans. How many humans are alike? If it is hard to find people that "fit" with the organizational structure of a company, imagine the difficulty in creating a structure that meets the needs of ALL humans as part of a smoothly running common-goal driven system. (hint: corperations can not achieve this and they pick their members as well as not completely engulfing the lives of their members).
So indeed, a "Strong-arm" approach would be necessary of this global unity organization if it were to be more than just a "namesake". Given the nature of humans, it is more realistic to find ways to intertwine the tribes so that it is in each tribes interest to protect the other tribes (what is good for you is good for me). We are ever increasingly doing this through globalization.
Now many of our antiquated methodologies and ideologies need to be retired before we can reach "world peace", which incidentally is not an end to bloodshed, but an end to warmongering.
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Thanks it's amazing how we tend to agree on something’s and totally disagree on others. Though I do not think bringing in any Utopian society or humanist society is a good idea for the "common good" I do however believe that we should at least take care of the people who are in need in our society. The single mothers, the children who need food, education and health care. So I'm not too sure if we could agree on that, but I do believe it is our job to look after the very basic needs of all.
the caracal kid said:
Thanks it's amazing how we tend to agree on something’s and totally disagree on others. Though I do not think bringing in any Utopian society or humanist society is a good idea for the "common good" I do however believe that we should at least take care of the people who are in need in our society. The single mothers, the children who need food, education and health care. So I'm not too sure if we could agree on that, but I do believe it is our job to look after the very basic needs of all.