Are the Conservatives fascists?

[Jay]

Mulroney is a major influence within the party and is credited by most Conservatives with facilitating the Alliance takeover...er merger...with the PCs. Do you even follow politics, jay?

He was PC. So PCs can't be all that great either IS the point.

I know the NDP in Ontario are going to raise taxes if they get elected as they said so when they ran against Mike Harris. I know the NDP In Ontario were going to put up cameras on the 401 and take pictures of speeders on the 401, and send a bill to people who were caught by these cameras.

Those two reasons alone are enough to not vote NDP, and to believe at the federal level they can’t be trusted with power.

So your deep political analysis is that you don't want to pay bills and support dangerous driving? Quite the platform. By the way, you do understand the difference between provincial and federal politics, don't you?

Actually it isn't my deep analysis, but it sure is a lot deeper of one than your reply.

I understand the differences between the provinces and the feds remember it’s the lefties who don’t understand what a provincial power is. We have discussed this before.

Raises taxes by hair brained governments aren’t just “bills” as you would suggest.

And if you don’t understand that putting up camera’s and taking pictures of everyone they suspect is going 101km is a police state and big brother issue then for sure the NDP (as you so closely relate too) are going to give us a police state.

You recognize the threats; I take quotes from other threads.

Hmmm...sounds like a police state to me.

I’m not convinced you really feel that you want to belong to a police state (I hope) because of this quote….

I'm a lot of things, mrmom. I'm not overly prone to legality though...kind of an ongoing theme in my life.

Inability to mark an "x"? Allergies to the colour red? Fear of deep integrations with the US? Hatred of homosexuals?
Better spell it us for us, Jay. You won't like the conclusions I draw.

First of all I don’t have to spell out anything. We live in a democracy still, and that’s one of the tenants of it. You are always drawing conclusions I don’t like, I really doubt you care if I like them or not.

Yes I do have a slight allergy to RED, as anyone in their right mind should.

I don’t fear deep integrations with the US, What ever that has to do with it.

Hatred of Homosexuals? You’re the hater Rev, you hate conservatives and their freedom to operate; simple.

Here’s another quote from you from another thread.

Yes you do. Every time you promote sound-bites over informed opinion and thought, every time you misconstrue the policies of other parties, every time you gloss over the history of graft and corruption with the Conservative ranks, you distact from it.

Here is the actual Conservative policy. From their site of course.


1)Provide clear recognition of the traditional definition of marriage

2) Create the status of civil union to recognize the rights of other couples.

3) Provide substantive protections for religious institutions.


But you will call this hate?

And then ppl like you go and write hate laws we don’t need?

But were suppose to trust you lefties with power; I doubt it.


You are completely trying to use fear and distortion against the Conservatives. Sure as hell isn’t going to get me to change my vote to a NDP one, if this is the sort of people I will find in its membership. Why would I? They want to raise my "bills" and have a Police State call everyone who disagrees with them haters, and I don’t think its membership gives a shit.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Nice try at taking things out of context. It might be a little more effective if you weren't so damned inept.

He was PC. So PCs can't be all that great either IS the point.

He was the most corrupt PM ever. He is a major influence in a party that takes the worst of neo-conservative and radical Christian right doctrine and tries to make policy out of it.

And if you don’t understand that putting up camera’s and taking pictures of everyone they suspect is going 101km is a police state and big brother issue then for sure the NDP (as you so closely relate too) are going to give us a police state.

Enforcing the speed limit is hardly the sign of a police state, little buddy. When the shutter clicks it is because you've been clocked going over the speedlimit. Most radar and laser devices are set not to activate until you are more than 10 kph over the posted limit.

You recognize the threats; I take quotes from other threads.

Reverend Blair wrote:
Hmmm...sounds like a police state to me.

Yeah...that's in a thread talking about having check points set up on highways where you have to show your papers even if you've done nothing wrong. That's just exactly like photo radar, isn't it?.
:roll:

Here’s another quote from you from another thread.

Reverend Blair wrote:
Yes you do. Every time you promote sound-bites over informed opinion and thought, every time you misconstrue the policies of other parties, every time you gloss over the history of graft and corruption with the Conservative ranks, you distact from it.



Here is the actual Conservative policy. From their site of course.


1)Provide clear recognition of the traditional definition of marriage

2) Create the status of civil union to recognize the rights of other couples.

3) Provide substantive protections for religious institutions.

Religious institutions are already protected, so the official policy is fear-mongering.

The courts have already rejected civil unions as being discrimanatory. Equal to does not mean the same as equal.

The courts have already rejected the Conservative definition of marriage.

You would have to use the Notwithstanding Clause to take away rights already granted to people under the Charter and confirmed by courts in eight jurisdictions. Since religious institutions are protected withing their own sphere, the only reason for doing so is trying to project the wishes of those religious institutions into government.

 

[MMMike]

There are other ways to ensure equal treatment of SSM without changing the definition of marriage. The government could have taken out the word 'marriage' completely, and created only the class of 'civil union' applicable to any couple. Or the government could have defined civil unions seperately, and defined marriage as the domain of registered churches.

Re-defining longstanding definitions and traditions with the stroke of a pen leaves a lot of people upset. These are words associated with strongly held beliefs and values.

You can oppose the Liberals' SSM legislation without being a homophobic bible thumper.

 

[Jay]

"Yeah...that's in a thread talking about having check points set up on highways where you have to show your papers even if you've done nothing wrong. That's just exactly like photo radar, isn't it?. "

Sorry I think it is much the same, and so does the rest of Ontario, as was stated in the elections that got Mike Harris elected. Its hair brained ides like that that will keep the NDP in Ontario with non-official party status. We aren't the play things of governments.


In reality I'm surprised you would support a motion like that. But what I can tell you is that's a good enough reason to not vote left if that’s what they will do.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Are the Conservatives

It isn't that I support photo radar, Jay...I don't. Claiming a right to break the law with impunity as an election issue is an asinine stance though. If the speed limit is too low, change the speed limit. Don't claim a right to break the law, because you do not have that right. If you do break the law and get caught doing it, then accept the penalty.

Re-defining longstanding definitions and traditions with the stroke of a pen leaves a lot of people upset. These are words associated with strongly held beliefs and values.

I got married by a JP in my mother-in-law's backyard, MMMike. It had nothing to do with churches or tradition and everything to do official recognition. You are trying to deny that recognition from people because you don't like their sexual practices.

 

[Jay]

"It isn't that I support photo radar, Jay...I don't. Claiming a right to break the law with impunity as an election issue is an asinine stance though."

I'm glad we agree on this Rev, because to tell you the truth you had me worried.

It wasn't an election issue beyond “we won't do it and they will" We don't have it on the 401, but Doltin is talking about brining it in....go figure.

 

[mrmom2]

I wish they would bring it back here.It was so easy to defeat with a good radar detector .I used to do the run to Vn in under 2 hours .I can't do that now to many Rcmps's lurking around :wink:

 

[mrmom2]

W sure looks like a fascist read here
http://watchingthewatchers.org/index.php?p=283 :wink:

 

[no1important]

W sure looks like a fascist read here
http://watchingthewatchers.org/index.php?p=283 :wink:

A good read and so true.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Are the Conservatives

W is a fascist. So is Harper. Look at their policies. Anybody who supports them and claims either freedom or peace is either deluded or lying...usually both.

 

[mrmom2]

Somebody needs to pull some of what Harper has been saying and do a comparison with Hitler I would bet you find the same sort of speechs!It would make great campaign fodder Rev :wink:

 

[no1important]

RE: Are the Conservatives

I see 15,000 neo cons were protesting SSM today in Ottawa. Here the story

"I am committed, when I am elected prime minister – at the next election, whenever that may be – to bring in legislation that will define marriage as the union of one man and one woman," Harper said.

Well the Bigots are already in election mode I guess. :shake:

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Are the Conservatives

The bigots are in election mode. All they need is the white hoods and they'll be in lynching mode.

 

[crit13]

Comparing the Conservative Party of Canada to the KKK just proves how deluded and prejudice you are to anything that you don't agree with.

That's no different than comparing the NDP to the USSR under Stalin.

Maybe we should be hiding from the KGB. :roll:

 

[Chake99]

RE: Are the Conservatives

that list for the most part has been tailored to fit the United States, even though I agree that it would measure up to the begginings of one that wasn't rigged.

BTW Hitler didn't use Christianity but he made the state the object of faith, which is like absolutely no seperation whatsoever between church and state

 

[Gonzo]

(Are the Conservatives fascists?)
After his anti gay marriage demonstration on parliament hill, I'd say yes. But I would of said that a long time ago.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Are the Conservatives

that list for the most part has been tailored to fit the United States, even though I agree that it would measure up to the begginings of one that wasn't rigged.

That list was compiled by studying the policies and practices of several fascist governments including Italy and Germany...

That the US fits the description should send alarm bells across the world...

That the Conservatives wish to emulate the current US administration and solidify their powerbase on American neo-conservative ideals should send alarm bells across Canada...

 

[mrmom2]

Alarm bells Vanni?Try air raid sirens at max volume :lol: :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

The Conservatives latest bit of proposed fascism....er legislation...just got beaten in the house. The Conservatives bill to reword the Same Sex Marriage bill so it meant the opposite of what it means now lost by 32 votes in spite of Liberal backbench rebellion.

That rebellion was likely driven as much by Gomery as by the same sex marriage debate,with MP who don't care one way or another fishing for an offer from the Conservatives.

 

[mrmom2]

Just Libs trading up their suits is'nt Rev :lol: :wink: