Arctic ice shelf collapse

Gonzo

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I dont think you read the link. The collapse of the ice island's northern coast represents the largest breakup of its kind in the Canadian Arctic in 30 years. The new island is formed by a 66-square-kilometre fragment, which could be up to 4,500 years old. Ice bergs are not 66-square kilometres. Icebergs can range from 1-75 meters. Sorry to ruin your "fact" by real facts.
 

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I dont think you read the link. The collapse of the ice island's northern coast represents the largest breakup of its kind in the Canadian Arctic in 30 years. The new island is formed by a 66-square-kilometre fragment, which could be up to 4,500 years old. Ice bergs are not 66-square kilometres. Icebergs can range from 1-75 meters. Sorry to ruin your "fact" by real facts.
As you said, "represents the largest breakup of its kind in the Canadian Arctice in 30 years."

So what was the excuse for the one 30 years ago?
 

Gonzo

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Just to clarify, I was replying to wallyj about his facts. Seems you made a post while I was typing it.
As for the one 30 years ago, I'm not sure. I was quoting the news about it, but they dont seem to give any information on it. I'm going to try to find some information and then post it here.
 

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Just to clarify, I was replying to wallyj about his facts. Seems you made a post while I was typing it.
As for the one 30 years ago, I'm not sure. I was quoting the news about it, but they dont seem to give any information on it. I'm going to try to find some information and then post it here.
I figured you were posting to wallyj, but I was curious too.

Good luck finding that info, I've been looking too, to no avail.
 

Gonzo

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I found this bit from Wikipedia:
Recently, glaciologists have observed unexpected ice-shelf events, such as complete disintegration of some small ice shelves. For example, two sections of Antarctica's Larsen Ice Shelf broke apart into hundreds of unusually small fragments (100's of meters wide or less) in 1995 and 2002. The breakup events are linked to climate change in the region, although there is not complete agreement about the most important causative process. The leading ideas involve enhanced ice fracturing due to surface meltwater and enhanced bottom melting due to warmer ocean water circulating under the floating ice.
More info for wallyj:
An ice shelf is a thick, floating platform of ice that forms where a glacier or ice sheet flows down to a coastline and onto the ocean surface. Ice shelves are found in Antarctica, Greenland and Canada only. The boundary between floating ice shelf and the grounded (resting on bedrock) ice that feeds it is called the grounding line. When the grounding line retreats inland, water is added to the ocean and sea level rises.
In contrast, sea ice is formed on water, is much thinner, and forms throughout the Arctic Ocean. It also is found in the Southern Ocean around the continent of Antarctica.
Ice shelves flow by gravity-driven horizontal spreading on the ocean surface. That flow continually moves ice from the grounding line to seaward front of the shelf. The primary mechanism of mass loss from ice shelves is iceberg calving, in which a chunk of ice breaks off from the seaward front of the shelf. Typically, a shelf front will extend forward for years or decades between major calving events. Snow accumulation on the upper surface and melting from the lower surface are also important to the mass balance of an ice shelf.
This is what an ice shelf looks like.
 
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wallyj

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I dont think you read the link. The collapse of the ice island's northern coast represents the largest breakup of its kind in the Canadian Arctic in 30 years. The new island is formed by a 66-square-kilometre fragment, which could be up to 4,500 years old. Ice bergs are not 66-square kilometres. Icebergs can range from 1-75 meters. Sorry to ruin your "fact" by real facts.
It seems you went to wikipedia to get your facts. Did you read the whole article? Did you read about iceberg B-15,approx. 11,000 sq.km. in size? Or did you just discard any facts that did not support your narrow view of the world? I hope you remember the story about how the saudis were planning on towing an iceberg down to the Mediterrarean for fresh water. Do you think they were going to tow a 75 metre long ice cube? It galls me how people can be so ignorant,damn saudis.
 

Gonzo

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Of course I went to WIkipedia. Thats what I said in my post.
And what makes you think I have a narrow view of the world? This thread is about an artic ice shelf, not the whole world. How can you judge someones view of the world by one thread? Thats pretty ignorant.
 

wallyj

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http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/12/28/tech-ellesmereiceshelfcollapse-20061228.html
I hope it does some damage as it drifts south. Steven Harper wants a northern shipping lane, but if global warming starts to cause some economic damage now, maybe governments, and people, change.
This is where I find your narrow point of view. You are implying that global warming ,now known as climate change,and Harper are somehow responsible for this iceberg.You also did not mention the inconvenient fact that icebergs can be massive beasts,as stated in wikipedia,much larger than 1 to 75 meters.I won't call you ignorant,but you do have a problem comprehending facts that do not fit into your narrow point of view. I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology. Cheers and a happy,hippy new year to you.
 

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Now your changing your words from narrow world view to narrow point of view. You said I had a narrow world view, and you came to that conclusion from this thread. You assume I'm a hippie because I argue for change in our environmental approach. And how was I implying that Steven Harper is responsible for this ice shelf breaking off? I was implying that perhaps if the effects of Global Warming cost money then governments will change its environmental plan. My point of view is not narrow, it just doesn't agree with yours so you try to discredit it. Sorry, but facts are facts and you'll have to deal with it.
Okay, ice bergs can be big. What’s your point? This was an ice shelf, not an ice berg.
Have a happy, neo con, New Year.
 

wallyj

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Now we are into semantics.Ice shelves become icebergs once they break off the icefield.Meteor,meteorite.Sorry,checkmate. And the hippy comment was not meant as a slur AT ALL.
 

Gonzo

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Okay. I'll take back the neo con comment and just wish you a happy new year.
May Canada’s ice bergs, or ice shelves, or whatever, steer clear of the coastal homes of Newfoundland in 2007.
Cheers!