ANTI-AMERICAN BIAS --- THE ZEITGEIST OF THE WORLD

[no1important]

RE: ANTI-AMERICAN BIAS --

Well watching American media and the report on the fifth estate about "accidental" bombing of our soldiers in Afghanistan, the impression I got was Americans were more concerned about the Pilot being punished than the dead soldiers and their families. Amazing how many Americans thought the pilot should not even get punished at all. But if it was the reverse Americans would be screaming to high heaven. I know it, you know it (deep down) but will not admit it, the rest of the world knows it.

The truth is American government over the years has started so many "conflicts" and are responsible for so many innocents being killed. The American government interfers in other countries affairs, tries to over throw governments, torures people at Gitmo, starts illegal wars etc. Maybe if American governments learned to butt out where they do not belong, people will think more positive about them.

But if a non american points this out we are called "American Bashers, Haters etc" it is the criminal corrupt war mongering American government people dislike not the average joe.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Hell if the average American even speaks up against the government they are branded "Anti-American" and "not with us but against us". Those are "W's" words.

You should be worried less what the world thinks of you and more about your "rights" being taken away, in this era of "W" paranoia.

 

[mrmom2]

Guys I think is not anti Canadian :lol: He's even anti Bush lighten up Take a pill :lol:

 

[I think not]

I think we hate Bush not the citizens of the US I would bet that if you looked back at this forum when Clinton was prez you wouldn't find the same kind of comments :wink: Hey don't listen to the Rev I like having you around here 8)

Believe it or not mrmom I have nothing personal against the Rev, he is by all means entitled to his opinions and views. Perhaps I am a little sensitive to this topic, because for the past ten years I have tried to understand and then confront it. You are aware of The Sitrix Fund yourself, my biggest problem in Canada has been that it is a US based non-profit and despite the fact we have extended these grants to Canadian students (because we have some STUPID idea that our future is common and by helping each other we can make a better place for all of us). All we get is NO, NO, NO across the board NO. But, we help Canadians even moreso than American students because you don't have realistic financial aid. NO. NO. NO. Why? Because we are an American based non-profit, thats the answer I have been getting for the past 10 years.
What do you call that? Can someone please tell me?

 

[I think not]

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we do not teach our children to hate Canadians, nor do we teach our children that we are waiting for another chance to invade Canada

From comments on this site and other sites I don't think Americans teach anything about the rest of the world.

Not your fault no1, you've been taught to think that way very very carefully.

I learned from all the American TV and Newscasts I have watched over the years.

The rest of the world see's you that way as well and have seen it for a long long time.

Yes no1, its called anti-americanism

 

[no1important]

RE: ANTI-AMERICAN BIAS --

Yes no1, its called anti-americanism

I think not.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: ANTI-AMERICAN BIAS --

Well watching American media and the report on the fifth estate about "accidental" bombing of our soldiers in Afghanistan, the impression I got was Americans were more concerned about the Pilot being punished than the dead soldiers and their families.

That goes to show you , you know nothing about Americans

Amazing how many Americans thought the pilot should not even get punished at all. But if it was the reverse Americans would be screaming to high heaven. I know it, you know it (deep daown) but will not admit it, the rest of the world knows it.

No they would not. Period.

The truth is American government over the years has started so many "conflicts" and are responsible for so many innocents being killed. The American government interfers in other countries affairs, tries to over throw governments, torures people at Gitmo, starts illegal wars etc. Maybe if American governments learned to butt out where they do not belong, people will think more positive about them.

Finally we agree on something

But if a non american points this out we are called "American Bashers, Haters etc" it is the criminal corrupt war mongering American government people dislike not the average joe.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Because they are not representative of the American people. That's your media and years of indoctrination in your school sytem

Hell if the average American even speaks up against the government they are branded "Anti-American" and "not with us but against us". Those are "W's" words.

Those are the neocons, again they are not representative of the American people

You should be worried less what the world thinks of you and more about your "rights" being taken away, in this era of "W" paranoia.

Now if that isn't the pot calling the kettle balck I don't know what is. Canadians really need to spend less time thinking about the differences between each other and between themselves and other countries, and take more pride in what makes Canada and themselves distinct. And NOT being Americans is NOT working for you

 

[I think not]

Guys I think is not anti Canadian :lol: He's even anti Bush lighten up Take a pill :lol:

You are right mrmom, I am not Anti-Canadian, but I think I'll take that pill now. I had enough for tonight.

 

[peapod]

Well you may be right think, but I don't think you can blame canadians for the anti-american, its been around for a long time around the world, because it has alot to do with actions not matchng words.
When you say anti-american on a t-shirt, what exactly does it say on the shirts? What your talking about I have not seen, I have not seen childern wearing anti-american t-shirt or political statement making t-shirts. Who would use their childern that way? I would like you to tell me exactly what you are talking about when you say anti-american. I am interested in what you mean, because I am not understanding it.

 

[I think not]

Did you want anti-americanism in general pea or you want it for Canada specific? Either way let me know and I'll elaborate on it tomorrow.

 

[peapod]

Canada specific please.

 

[no1important]

RE: ANTI-AMERICAN BIAS --

That goes to show you , you know nothing about Americans

Neither do you by that answer.

No they would not. Period.

Wanna bet?

Because they are not representative of the American people. That's your media and years of indoctrination in your school sytem

:roll:

Those are the neocons, again they are not representative of the American people

Oh, really? One is your president (or did you forget his speech?), cabinet and other high ranking officials and politicians. They do represent the American people.

And NOT being Americans is NOT working for you

Seems to be working fine and has for many years.

 

[I think not]

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That goes to show you , you know nothing about Americans

Neither do you by that answer.

No they would not. Period.

Wanna bet?

Because they are not representative of the American people. That's your media and years of indoctrination in your school sytem

:roll:

Those are the neocons, again they are not representative of the American people

Oh, really? One is your president (or did you forget his speech?), cabinet and other high ranking officials and politicians. They do represent the American people.

And NOT being Americans is NOT working for you

Seems to be working fine and has for many years.

If that is what you want to believe no1 then so be it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Is Hillary Clinton a radical right-winger, I think not? She was one of the politicans blaming Canada for the 9-11 attacks. I recall ever hearing an apology, or even a retraction, from her.

As for South Park and the Blame Canada song...no, I took that in the spirit in which was intended. You, on the other hand, are deeply offended by Rick Mercer and some kid in a t-shirt.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: ANTI-AMERICAN BIAS --

Is Hillary Clinton a radical right-winger, I think not? She was one of the politicans blaming Canada for the 9-11 attacks. I recall ever hearing an apology, or even a retraction, from her.

Neither do I, is that to say all Americans thought that?

As for South Park and the Blame Canada song...no, I took that in the spirit in which was intended.

And yet, everything else fictional you took as offensive?

You, on the other hand, are deeply offended by Rick Mercer and some kid in a t-shirt.

You twist words just fine Rev, but don't you ever tire doing so? You're constantly telling me what I feel. Rick Mercer and the t-shirt was an example of years of systematic brainwashing.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Rick Mercer and the t-shirt was an example of years of systematic brainwashing.

Your school system constantly reinforces the "my country right or wrong" ethic, I think not. You pray to your flag. The feeling that your country is supreme and is not to be questioned is reinforced in your population from the first day of school on.

And yet, everything else fictional you took as offensive?

That depends on the spirit in which it was intended. A lot of it is mean-spirited, a lot of it isn't.

Neither do I, is that to say all Americans thought that?

I never said all. I pointed out that it was not just a sentiment from the radical right, as you claimed it was. It is something I've heard repeated by people from all across your political spectrum. I've heard it from politicians and pundits and average American people.

It's right up there with WMDs being found in Iraq and Saddam and Osama being best buds as part of your national mythology.

 

[I think not]

Rick Mercer and the t-shirt was an example of years of systematic brainwashing.

Your school system constantly reinforces the "my country right or wrong" ethic, I think not.

You have no idea what you're talking about

You pray to your flag.

See above answer

The feeling that your country is supreme and is not to be questioned is reinforced in your population from the first day of school on.

See first answer

And yet, everything else fictional you took as offensive?

That depends on the spirit in which it was intended. A lot of it is mean-spirited, a lot of it isn't.

Contrary to you, if it is mean spirited it is moslty from politcians, to fit their political agenda, not from the American people.

Neither do I, is that to say all Americans thought that?

I never said all. I pointed out that it was not just a sentiment from the radical right, as you claimed it was. It is something I've heard repeated by people from all across your political spectrum. I've heard it from politicians and pundits and average American people.

I never doubted there are people arrogant that may be offending to you, once again, when you compare, since Canadians are "experts" at comparing, it pales in comparison.

It's right up there with WMDs being found in Iraq and Saddam and Osama being best buds as part of your national mythology.

Perhaps if we were to be as lucid as you we wouldnt be in so much trouble, eh?
But I understand your comments, you have to follow the party line after all.

You like to drift away from the topic at hand Rev, I can understand that since you cannot make any points that anti-americanism doesn't exist in Canada and elsewhere. It's rampant and you know it. And I'm still waiting for you to provide the facts to back your statements up on how Canadians differ so much from Americans, how about facts Rev, theories dont work.

 

[Reverend Blair]

You have no idea what you're talking about

Don't I? I'm a proud Canadian, but I don't pray to our flag every morning.

Contrary to you, if it is mean spirited it is moslty from politcians, to fit their political agenda, not from the American people.

No.

I never doubted there are people arrogant that may be offending to you, once again, when you compare, since Canadians are "experts" at comparing, it pales in comparison.

No.

Perhaps if we were to be as lucid as you we wouldnt be in so much trouble, eh?

Perhaps if you would have listened to the rest of the world when the weapons inspectors wanted more time. You didn't though.

 

[I think not]

You like to drift away from the topic at hand Rev, I can understand that since you cannot make any points that anti-americanism doesn't exist in Canada and elsewhere. It's rampant and you know it. And I'm still waiting for you to provide the facts to back your statements up on how Canadians differ so much from Americans, how about facts Rev, theories dont work.

I'm still waiting Rev

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: ANTI-AMERICAN BIAS --

You're going to be waiting for a long time, I think not. Does anti-Americanism exist in Canada? Certainly. It isn't rampant though and most of it has been well-earned.

Am I anti-American? Nope. I will not sit quietly by when I see atrocities being committed to people and the environment though. If you choose to interpret that as anti-Americanism it says more about you than it does about me.

I would say that anti-Canadianism, as part of a dark undercurrent of xenophobia and jingoism, has become a large part of the psyche of the American political system though, and that it is spreading through your entertainment industry and into much of your population.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

This is my take on anti-americanism...

*pulls up a chair, and lights a smoke*

Before Bush, people around the world were suspicious of American involvement in world affairs...but it was somewhere along the lines of "Oh those Americans, what are they up to now?"

Since Bush, and his foreign policies and his "if your not with us, your agin us" rhetoric, the world has taken a much harsher view of the country...why?

BECAUSE YOU F**kING ELECTED HIM...TWICE!!!

Now if you're wondering why the world thinks Americans are dumb-ass redneck hillbillies...think about that...your country saw fit to elect this prick twice...and that doesn't speak well for your country's collective judgement or common sense...

Now that I've got that out of my system, I'll strike to the heart of the matter...

I think the reason that you are seeing anti-americanism everywhere, is because you know your country has done wrong, and you're sensitive to what other people think about you...which is natural...the guilt from everything that Bush's administration does, from torture to murder to theft of natural resources is deflected onto the citizens, who ultimately put him and his cabinet in the position to do these things...and even if you didn't vote for him, it doesn't change the fact that your country did...

That your country need some healing is obvious...as does our own...but claiming anti-this or anti-that does nothing to remedy anything, and only perpetuates the root cause of all your country's woes...because after all, if we're not with you, we're agin you...