Another Poll: Will Socialism ever be defeated by America

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Re: RE: Another Poll: Will Socialism ever be defeated by Ame

Kleptocracies having nothing to do with savings industries or jobs. It's about lining pockets. Warren Buffet called Bush's policies welfare for the rich. He hasn't been wrong on much.

Well a Kleptocracy in the way that tax money collected from the workering class and the middle classes are used to finiance the rich, in a thinnly vailed sell to the workering class as an excercise in trying to keep jobs in Canada or the USA. Like the heavily subsidized auto indestry. I'd consider that stealing. Also the GST reduction. Honestly 1% does nothing for the working and middle class. You think we will see a reduction in the prices of things. HELL NO, prices will stay the same and the company will eat that 1% as profit and we will end up with numbskulls like Harper saying we can't afford the puplic health care system or that it doesn't work. When you consider that the money recieved from the GST could be used to increase spending into healthcare instead of making the business owners richer!

In no way is coperate welfare, any type of socialism, unless you are using a abstract view of right-wing socialism, in which I still think a capitalist mercantile and tarif based enconmy is still closure to coperate welfare. As it is protectionist in thought at least.

Well it certainly has nothing to do with capitalism. Disallowing free markets and free competition to protect those who line the pockets of politicians is a redistribution of social wealth. What does it have to do with keeping jobs? A free market is quite capable of job creation. And instead of the entire population getting gouged by oil they could support other business models/industries with the extra discretionary income.

It has everything to do with capitalism. It may not be the one form of Free Market capitalism which does not and has never exsisted but it sure isn't socialism. Mercantilism, is a form of Capitalism, any form of the use of wealth to private endevors such as corperate welath fair is by nature capitalistic, yet is neither Libertarian, nor lesser faire. Many conservatives today tend to follow the traditions of Lesser faire or Neo-Liberalism, but it is not too long ago when most considered Tarif forms of capitalism the in thing and the right thing to do. Don't get the Free MArket confused as the only form of capitalism. Well if you do anyhow I guess ignorance is bliss.

 

[Kreskin]

Burglary has everything to do with capitalism too. My point is most systems basically work the same. But if you wear a cowboy hat and call your republic a democracy then you can politically spin everything else into good vs bad while you churn the pockets of your citizens to feed the kleptocracy.

 

[I think not]

You should have worded your question differently Jersay.

America has never sought to defeat Democratic Socialism, as it has evolved over the past two or so decades. Up until the early seventies or thereabouts, Democratic Socialism held the same principles as Marx's socialist revolution less the revolution. The ideology sought to obtain power through the democratic process, but still enforce the policies of socialism. Only in the past few decades has that song changed it's tune.

The ideology has brought in human rights and democratic processess and, for the most part, once the ideology gains power, "adapts" it's policies to economics 101.

It is regimes the likes of Cuba, North Korea, former Eatern Bloc countries, vietnam etc... the US has fought.

Take a current examples, Venezuela and Brazil. Brazil has a left wing government implementing policies without being hindered or pressured by the US. Venezuela on the other hand, has a leader running around the world like a new Che, aligning himself with countries the likes of Iran, Syria and North Korea.

 

[Jersay]

During the Mccarthy times they were trying to destroy most socialist any kind of socialist government no matter if it was democratic socialism or socialism. And they probably still have plans for destroying socialist states in the backroom somewhere in the Pentagon maybe in a janitor's closet or something.