America and Britain announce new "Atlantic Declaration"

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The two allies today announced a new partnership

The US President Joe Biden and the UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak on Thursday unveiled a new economic agreement between their countries, dubbed the 'Atlantic Declaration'.

Speaking at a joint press conference, Sunak said it represented 'a new economic partnership for a new age, unlike any agreement reached before'.

The agreement between the two allies, described as a series of mini-agreements rather than a comprehensive trade deal, aims to enhance security cooperation, regulate artificial intelligence, and reduce trade barriers.

Biden also praised the deal, stating that it would 'equip our economic partnership for the 21st century'.

He added: 'We will engage in joint research and development to ensure that the future we are building remains fundamentally aligned with our values.'

Biden and Sunak met each other at the White House.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Under a different government, I assumed that Canada would’ve been the first to set up an arrangement like that with Britain, being directly across the Atlantic from each other, and members of the commonwealth, and so on and so forth…

Oh well. Good on America for having their ducks in a row.

 

[Blackleaf]

Under a different government, I assumed that Canada would’ve been the first to set up an arrangement like that with Britain, being directly across the Atlantic from each other, and members of the commonwealth, and so on and so forth…

Oh well. Good on America for having their ducks in a row.

Canada is noticeable in her absence from AUKUS, a security partnership between the US, Britain and Australia. The deal includes the US and Britain building Australia's first nuclear subs. It seems strange that Canada isn't joining up with her three best buddies.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Canada is noticeable in her absence from AUKUS, a security partnership between the US, Britain and Australia. The deal includes the US and Britain building Australia's first nuclear subs. It seems strange that Canada isn't joining up with her three best buddies.

Not that strange at this point though. Sad but true. Canada doesn’t do nuclear subs, as it just buys the obsolete British diesel electric jobbies & then calls for roadside assistance when they break down before reaching Halifax.

The boats were originally named the Upholderclass, after the most renowned vessel of the former U class. Their British service life was short, with the vessels being decommissionedin 1994. After an unsuccessful bid to transfer these submarines to the Pakistan Navy in 1993–1994, the Canadian government eventually purchased the submarines and a suite of trainers from the Royal Navy for Canadian Forces Maritime Command (renamed to Royal Canadian Navy in 2011) to replace their decommissioned Oberon-classsubmarines in 1998.

In Canadian service, the submarines are classified as the Victoria class. These submarines initially suffered from serious electrical problems and were beset by mechanical operational incidents that limited their active service and the scope of their deployments. These problems have largely been overcome and the subs have achieved full operational capability, in theory.

Upholder/Victoria-class submarine - Wikipedia

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Canada-class submarine - Wikipedia

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[Tecumsehsbones]

Heck, Australia accepting nuclear subs is the most surprising part.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Heck, Australia accepting nuclear subs is the most surprising part.

Canada with its climate, and the sheer length of its coast lines not having them is…not cool.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Canada with its climate, and the sheer length of its coast lines not having them is…not cool.

Australia for decades had a "no nukes" policy. No weapons, and even allied ships that were nuclear-powered or carried nuclear weapons couldn't dock.

This is a massive reversal.

What's Canada's deal? Just don't have 'em, or don't allow 'em?

 

[Taxslave2]

Canada is noticeable in her absence from AUKUS, a security partnership between the US, Britain and Australia. The deal includes the US and Britain building Australia's first nuclear subs. It seems strange that Canada isn't joining up with her three best buddies.

Not strange at all. Our current government is owned by the CCP. No one wants to share sensitive information with a China spy.

 

[Taxslave2]

Canada with its climate, and the sheer length of its coast lines not having them is…not cool.

Except that we don't want them on our coast. They can go paddle around the great lakes, but they are not going to be on the BC coast.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Australia for decades had a "no nukes" policy. No weapons, and even allied ships that were nuclear-powered or carried nuclear weapons couldn't dock.

This is a massive reversal.

What's Canada's deal? Just don't have 'em, or don't allow 'em?

Well, there was a few different factors at play. This is one of them:

Canada-class submarine - Wikipedia

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[Tecumsehsbones]

Well, of course! Ya don't want stoned, married, gay Mounties with free health care to have nukes! No telling what they might do.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Well, of course! Ya don't want stoned, married, gay Mounties with free health care to have nukes! No telling what they might do.

Touché!!

 

[Taxslave2]

Well, of course! Ya don't want stoned, married, gay Mounties with free health care to have nukes! No telling what they might do.

This was McCarthy time. Commie under every bed. I wonder how he would feel about today's society. Around the same time, the US nixed the Avro Arrow.

 

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Except that we don't want them on our coast. They can go paddle around the great lakes, but they are not going to be on the BC coast.

They already are . They sail through Jaun de Fuca on a regular basis . Where do you think their west coast base is ?

 

[Ron in Regina]

The Canada-Class Sub’s (nuclear) that where kiboshed was 1987. On 6 June 1987, the Canadian White Paper on Defence was tabled in the House of Commons. The White Paper recommended the building of 10 to 12 nuclear-powered submarines, to be stationed on patrol routes in the Northeast Pacific, Arctic and Northwest Atlantic Oceans. Due to their greater speed, range, and ability to operate underneath the Arctic ice, nuclear submarines were preferred . The goal was to build up a three-ocean navy, assert Canadian sovereignty over Arctic waters, and enhance contributions to NATO operations.

The demand for a vessel that could monitor the Arctic was born out of the cruise of the American icebreaker USCGC Polar Sea in 1985 through the Arctic, of which part took it through Canadian territorial waters. The first of the submarines would be expected to enter service in 1996….but nope. Nada. Oh well…

The intent was to build the submarines in Canada to an existing NATO design. CASAP and NSOS were merged to form a group to select the submarine design. The group developed the Statement of Requirement (SOR) needed for the evaluation of designs. The SOR called for a safe, reliable design that had modern anti-submarine warfare and under-ice capability, being capable of breaking through ice up to 3 metres (9.8 ft) thick.

The SOR placed less emphasis on hydrodynamic performances or anti-ship and inshore operational capabilities. They also needed to have a low noise and radiation signatures, the most modern passive sonars and command, control and communications systems. The SOR also stated that the submarine have six torpedo tubes and be able to fire the Mark 48 torpedo.

Canada-class submarine - Wikipedia

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[Ron in Regina]

Canada is noticeable in her absence from AUKUS, a security partnership between the US, Britain and Australia. The deal includes the US and Britain building Australia's first nuclear subs. It seems strange that Canada isn't joining up with her three best buddies.

No plans to invite Canada to join AUKUS: White House — CTV News

U.S. National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby says there are no plans to re-evaluate the makeup of AUKUS — a trilateral security pact between Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States — to include Canada.

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