Ambulances are hit by Israeli forces

[leb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7wroSYRXJo&search=red cross lebanon

evidence is stronger than anthing.
Where is the world community?

 

[Gonzo]

Well, the Israeli government will apologies, call it a tragedy, and that will be that. How can the US say Israel is commeting war crimes when they're just as guilty.

 

[I think not]

Where is the world community?

The same place when suicide bombers blow up children in schools.

Absolutely nowhere.

 

[Logic 7]

Where is the world community?

The same place when suicide bombers blow up children in schools.

Absolutely nowhere.

Do you think there is a differences beetween those suicidal bombers and a governement ?

Suicide bombers did blow themselves up in schools? when and where,Just asking.

 

[thomaska]

Logic go to your fave website google, and type "Beslan". And thats just one. Same religion of peace, different wrapping...

 

[Mogz]

RE: Ambulances are hit by

I would like to point out that a Canadian Armoured Bison Ambulance was attacked in Afghanistan recently. Cpl. Francisco Gomez of the 1st Battalion PPCLI was killed when a suicide bomber rammed his car up against the ambulance that Gomez was driving and detonated the explosives. For those that don't know, our military ambulances are CLEARLY marked with red crosses and red lights. The bomber knew he was hitting an ambulance, but didn't care.

 

[cortex]

I am now recieving a transmission from the afterlife----wait yes the virgins are there--and the--- wait---the perpetuator of the above mentioned incident says he is sorry--that it was a mistake --that he deeply regrets the loss of innocent life--wait--military life--and that foreiners were warned --with leaflest to flee the country for their own safety years ago----

so you SEE its all good now isnt it.

 

[sanch]

Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by

I would like to point out that a Canadian Armoured Bison Ambulance was attacked in Afghanistan recently. Cpl. Francisco Gomez of the 1st Battalion PPCLI was killed when a suicide bomber rammed his car up against the ambulance that Gomez was driving and detonated the explosives. For those that don't know, our military ambulances are CLEARLY marked with red crosses and red lights. The bomber knew he was hitting an ambulance, but didn't care.

The war on terrorism is fueled by a belief that terrorists are a threat to western civilization and the freedoms and opportunities it offers. Israel often takes rhetorical advantage of being part of the civilized world to posit its moral right to engage in warfare. I was watching television the other night and an editor from the Jerusalem Post repeatedly stated that Hezbollah threatened western interests. How is Hezbollah threatening western interests?

Now you are saying that since the Taliban destroy clearly marked ambulances Israel should be allowed to do the same. But the Taliban make no pretense that their world view is democratic or considerate of human rights. Israel does. So the standards for the evaluation of behavior are very different between the Taliban and Israel. There are rules and codes for the behavior of civilized countries and when one ignores these one becomes less like us and more like them. What kind of message does this send to the world that they should adopt our way of life because of its clear protection of human rights.

If you want to keep arguing that Israel or the US has every right to respond in kind then you are negating the primary reason for the struggle to maintain and protect the sanctity of civilized life.

 

[Mogz]

Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by

I would like to point out that a Canadian Armoured Bison Ambulance was attacked in Afghanistan recently. Cpl. Francisco Gomez of the 1st Battalion PPCLI was killed when a suicide bomber rammed his car up against the ambulance that Gomez was driving and detonated the explosives. For those that don't know, our military ambulances are CLEARLY marked with red crosses and red lights. The bomber knew he was hitting an ambulance, but didn't care.

The war on terrorism is fueled by a belief that terrorists are a threat to western civilization and the freedoms and opportunities it offers. Israel often takes rhetorical advantage of being part of the civilized world to posit its moral right to engage in warfare. I was watching television the other night and an editor from the Jerusalem Post repeatedly stated that Hezbollah threatened western interests. How is Hezbollah threatening western interests?

Now you are saying that since the Taliban destroy clearly marked ambulances Israel should be allowed to do the same. But the Taliban make no pretense that their world view is democratic or considerate of human rights. Israel does. So the standards for the evaluation of behavior are very different between the Taliban and Israel. There are rules and codes for the behavior of civilized countries and when one ignores these one becomes less like us and more like them. What kind of message does this send to the world that they should adopt our way of life because of its clear protection of human rights.

If you want to keep arguing that Israel or the US has every right to respond in kind then you are negating the primary reason for the struggle to maintain and protect the sanctity of civilized life.

I would like for you to point out to me where in my post I said it was ok for anyone to attack an ambulance. The truth of the matter is it isn't, in fact it's a war crime to knowingly engage any medical personel if they're not presenting a direct threat to you. The difference between the attack on the Lebanese civilian ambulance and the Canadian military one, is that the Bison was attack maliciously, the Lebanese were hit by accident.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by

I would like to point out that a Canadian Armoured Bison Ambulance was attacked in Afghanistan recently. Cpl. Francisco Gomez of the 1st Battalion PPCLI was killed when a suicide bomber rammed his car up against the ambulance that Gomez was driving and detonated the explosives. For those that don't know, our military ambulances are CLEARLY marked with red crosses and red lights. The bomber knew he was hitting an ambulance, but didn't care.

• July 22, 2006: A suicide bomber blows himself up in Kandahar, killing two Canadian soldiers and wounded eight more; the slain soldiers were Cpl. Francisco Gomez, an anti-armour specialist from the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry in Edmonton, who was driving the Bison armoured vehicle targeted by the bomber’s vehicle, and Cpl. Jason Patrick Warren of the Black Watch in Montreal.


http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=b965cf96-5f58-49a1-90e3-f3362637d93f

They put red cross sign on those vehicules?

 

[elevennevele]

Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by Israeli forces

I am now recieving a transmission from the afterlife----wait yes the virgins are there--and the--- wait---the perpetuator of the above mentioned incident says he is sorry--that it was a mistake --that he deeply regrets the loss of innocent life--wait--military life--and that foreiners were warned --with leaflest to flee the country for their own safety years ago----

so you SEE its all good now isnt it.

Glad to see you and DB are making appearances again. You also appear to once again be in good form with your posts.

 

[sanch]

Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by

I would like for you to point out to me where in my post I said it was ok for anyone to attack an ambulance. The truth of the matter is it isn't, in fact it's a war crime to knowingly engage any medical personel if they're not presenting a direct threat to you. The difference between the attack on the Lebanese civilian ambulance and the Canadian military one, is that the Bison was attack maliciously, the Lebanese were hit by accident.

You didn't say it directly. It was implicit in the way you used the example. The Israelis are well aware of their targets. If it is a war crime than it should be investigated.

My point is that if Israel behaves like other Middle East nations then its behavior should be assessed in a similar manner.

After Israel destroys Lebanon how long is the international force supposed to stay there and ensure the safety of the Israelis? The argument that this war will solve anything is idiotic. There should have been economic development in south Lebanon during the Israel occupation. The Arab world also ignores the plight of poorer groups and that is why Hamas and Hezbollah can move in and offer social services.

What do you think would have happened to Germany or Japan if economic development had been ignored and an international force had been sent in to simply ensure they stayed disarmed?

 

[fuflans]

Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by

They put red cross sign on those vehicules?

You mean like these ones?

http://images.google.ca/images?q=bison+ambulance&hl=en

They aren't only used as ambulances, just so you know. That MAY be the reason why the Bison that you showed a picture of didn't have the red cross markings on it :roll:

 

[Mogz]

Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by

I would like to point out that a Canadian Armoured Bison Ambulance was attacked in Afghanistan recently. Cpl. Francisco Gomez of the 1st Battalion PPCLI was killed when a suicide bomber rammed his car up against the ambulance that Gomez was driving and detonated the explosives. For those that don't know, our military ambulances are CLEARLY marked with red crosses and red lights. The bomber knew he was hitting an ambulance, but didn't care.

• July 22, 2006: A suicide bomber blows himself up in Kandahar, killing two Canadian soldiers and wounded eight more; the slain soldiers were Cpl. Francisco Gomez, an anti-armour specialist from the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry in Edmonton, who was driving the Bison armoured vehicle targeted by the bomber’s vehicle, and Cpl. Jason Patrick Warren of the Black Watch in Montreal.


http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=b965cf96-5f58-49a1-90e3-f3362637d93f

They put red cross sign on those vehicules?

Uh yeah, is that so hard to believe? What would you rather drive in to the middle of a fire fight to pick up wounded troops? A armoured Bison or a light-skinned LSVW? It's a no brainer. Here's some photo's:

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You didn't say it directly. It was implicit in the way you used the example. The Israelis are well aware of their targets. If it is a war crime than it should be investigated.

My point is that if Israel behaves like other Middle East nations then its behavior should be assessed in a similar manner.

After Israel destroys Lebanon how long is the international force supposed to stay there and ensure the safety of the Israelis? The argument that this war will solve anything is idiotic. There should have been economic development in south Lebanon during the Israel occupation. The Arab world also ignores the plight of poorer groups and that is why Hamas and Hezbollah can move in and offer social services.

What do you think would have happened to Germany or Japan if economic development had been ignored and an international force had been sent in to simply ensure they stayed disarmed?

There was no implication of the sort, that's your opinion. You seem quite capable of sitting there declaring that Israel is 100% aware of what it targets and what it bombs. The reality sanch is that warfare is confusing and mistakes happen. Even with all the technology we have, human error still exists and results in unintended casualties. Remember the section of PPCLI bombed by the Americans in Afghanistan in 2002? 4 killed, 8 wounded? They were hit by accident by the most technologically advanced military on the planet.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by

I would like to point out that a Canadian Armoured Bison Ambulance was attacked in Afghanistan recently. Cpl. Francisco Gomez of the 1st Battalion PPCLI was killed when a suicide bomber rammed his car up against the ambulance that Gomez was driving and detonated the explosives. For those that don't know, our military ambulances are CLEARLY marked with red crosses and red lights. The bomber knew he was hitting an ambulance, but didn't care.

• July 22, 2006: A suicide bomber blows himself up in Kandahar, killing two Canadian soldiers and wounded eight more; the slain soldiers were Cpl. Francisco Gomez, an anti-armour specialist from the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry in Edmonton, who was driving the Bison armoured vehicle targeted by the bomber’s vehicle, and Cpl. Jason Patrick Warren of the Black Watch in Montreal.


http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=b965cf96-5f58-49a1-90e3-f3362637d93f

They put red cross sign on those vehicules?

Uh yeah, is that so hard to believe? What would you rather drive in to the middle of a fire fight to pick up wounded troops? A armoured Bison or a light-skinned LSVW? It's a no brainer. Here's some photo's:

Link
Link

You didn't say it directly. It was implicit in the way you used the example. The Israelis are well aware of their targets. If it is a war crime than it should be investigated.

My point is that if Israel behaves like other Middle East nations then its behavior should be assessed in a similar manner.

After Israel destroys Lebanon how long is the international force supposed to stay there and ensure the safety of the Israelis? The argument that this war will solve anything is idiotic. There should have been economic development in south Lebanon during the Israel occupation. The Arab world also ignores the plight of poorer groups and that is why Hamas and Hezbollah can move in and offer social services.

What do you think would have happened to Germany or Japan if economic development had been ignored and an international force had been sent in to simply ensure they stayed disarmed?

There was no implication of the sort, that's your opinion. You seem quite capable of sitting there declaring that Israel is 100% aware of what it targets and what it bombs. The reality sanch is that warfare is confusing and mistakes happen. Even with all the technology we have, human error still exists and results in unintended casualties. Remember the section of PPCLI bombed by the Americans in Afghanistan in 2002? 4 killed, 8 wounded? They were hit by accident by the most technologically advanced military on the planet.

Don't you think there is a differences beetween civilian ambulances and military ambulance?

I strongly hope you do, and at the same time, i hope you understand that you put Israelis governement at the same level as the talibans.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Ambulances are hit by

Don't you think there is a differences beetween civilian ambulances and military ambulance?

I strongly hope you do, and at the same time, i hope you understand that you put Israelis governement at the same level as the talibans.

Obviously there is a difference logic, do we need such a stupid question? That said, I did no such thing as putting the Taliban and Israel on the same level. In fact, in my second post I clearly pointed out that the militant in Afghanistan attacked the Bison on purpose, whilst Israel made a mistake and hit an ambulance. There is a big difference. Unless of course you're about to attempt to say that Israel is targeting medical providers on purpose.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by

Don't you think there is a differences beetween civilian ambulances and military ambulance?

I strongly hope you do, and at the same time, i hope you understand that you put Israelis governement at the same level as the talibans.

Obviously there is a difference logic, do we need such a stupid question? That said, I did no such thing as putting the Taliban and Israel on the same level. In fact, in my second post I clearly pointed out that the militant in Afghanistan attacked the Bison on purpose, whilst Israel made a mistake and hit an ambulance. There is a big difference. Unless of course you're about to attempt to say that Israel is targeting medical providers on purpose.

Stupid question? In fact, there is no stupid question in this world, except in a dictator-country.

How do you know israel made a mistake? Do you work for Israeli governement? are in high command of IDF? if not, you can't say for sure, they didnt.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Ambulances are hit by

How do you know israel made a mistake? Do you work for Israeli governement? are in high command of IDF? if not, you can't say for sure, they didnt.

Oh my god. What could the IDF possibly gain from blowing up a single Lebanese ambulance? Talk about a royal waste of a missile. It's called common sense, or perhaps "logic".

 

[Machjo]

Question for Mogz. Though this is unrelated to the OP, I'd be curious anyway. From what you know, is Afghanistan sufficiently manned, or is it undermanned in your opinion? I have no clue myself, but would just be curious to know from you since you'd probably know more on that subject.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Ambulances are hit by

Manned how? As in is there enough coalition troops in the region?