All of a Sudden, There Aren’t Enough Electric Cars
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Actually I am surprised that demand is already so high. But technological change seems to be moving much faster that it did last century. Just think of a few examples. 20 years ago smartphones did not exist - now they are an everyday communication device.
Here are a few more examples.
10 Technologies That Didn't Exist 10 Years Ago
https://www.knomobags.com/usa/blog/10-technologies-that-didnt-exist-10-years-ago
I'm guessing that electric cars are coming a lot faster than most people think.
Yes - I suppose they will become items of nostalgia in a few decades, sort of like the Model T or horse-drawn buggy.
The estimates for e vehicle takeover are constantly being revised downward.
An article i just posted says Toyota is planning half alternative by 2030 - so that probably means all alternative by 2030.
Its a difficult trick to keep selling gas vehicles to losers while phasing them out at the same time.
An article i just posted says Toyota is planning half alternative by 2030 - so that probably means all alternative by 2030.
Its a difficult trick to keep selling gas vehicles to losers while phasing them out at the same time.
YES....pity the poor children who must pay for all the LIE-beral madness and insane GREED!
If only there were more EVs available to buy at $60,000+.
this would solve everything
McLuhan told us "the medium is the message and the LIE-beral message is GRAVY FOR THEIR PALS!!
Here is an article illustrating the scale and scope of ego held by Our idiot Boy Justin. With some comments of my own in brackets):
Trudeau’s Indigenous show and tell. Foolish Rolling Stone interview provokes fury among Canada’s First Nations.
By Gordon Chong. First posted: Saturday, August 05, 2017 07:03 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, August 05, 2017 07:05 PM EDT
Finally, the true colours of our prime minister have emerged.
Our Prime Minister is a whirling dervish — appearing at the Calgary Stampede and then in B.C. to praise our firefighters with staged “selfies” that massage his ego and give the impression he really cares about us — especially Indigenous Aboriginals!
After renaming the Langevin Block to accommodate Aboriginal protesters on Parliament Hill and setting up an ineffective Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women, his ego got the better of him in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine.
Does Justin Trudeau have any foundational principles?
(YES! He has one principle- that HE IS ENTITLED!)
The Sun’s Mark Bonokoski, writing about Trudeau’s highly publicized charity boxing match with Indigenous Senator Patrick Brazeau, nailed our PM’s hubris: “It was all calculated for the best result for him, and no one else.”
Trudeau, on the same subject, told Rolling Stone: “It wasn’t random. I wanted someone who would be a good foil, and we stumbled upon the scrappy tough-guy senator from an Indigenous community. He fit the bill, and it was a very nice counterpoint. I saw it as the right kind of narrative, the right story to tell.”
Bonokoski was right, too, that this staged fight “was much more than just a liberal versus a conservative, but a French colonialist versus a country’s conquered.”
Trudeau chose Brazeau — whom we now know was dealing with a number of personal problems at the time and was likely out of shape — who naively accepted a closely refereed boxing match.
Whether his cavalier remarks will hurt Trudeau remains speculation for now, but the criticism is damning from many Aboriginal leaders.
Pam Palmater, an associate professor and chair in Indigenous governance at Ryerson University, told the Globe and Mail, “To read this super arrogant, super-racist comment was really disgusting.”
Cindy Blackstock, a professional social worker at McGill and Executive Director of First Nations Child and Family Caring, criticized Trudeau’s “narrative about colonialization ‘where Indigenous Peoples are the savages and the non-Indigenous people are civilized.’”
Unfortunately, this episode distracts attention from serious issues, but confirms Trudeau’s pre-programmed, drama-like approach to politics.
Meanwhile, Canada’s relationship with its First Nations is in serious trouble.
“Billions of dollars are squandered each year while the problems of spousal and sexual assault, child abuse and neglect, suicide, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome [FAS] and addictions fester,” Professor Frances Widdowson, a Metis and faculty member at Mount Royal College in Alberta, wrote in her 2008 book, Disrobing the Aboriginal Industry.
Despite Trudeau’s promise to rebuild Canada’s relationship with its Indigenous people, there are hurdles to meaningful compromise on both sides — ranging from the emotional baggage and mistrust caused by the residential school scandal, to the cultural way of thinking among First Nations.
Kinship loyalty is one of the defining characteristics of Aboriginal culture, Widdowson wrote.
(Kinship loyalty? Is that why they so often beat on each other? As the song says: “we hurt the ones we love”?)
People are fearful of going to the police and xenophobia toward “whites” creates an entrenched resistance to any outside interference.
(What absolute nonsense! The only people scared of cops are those with outstanding warrants!)
Regardless of legitimate past or current grievances, this helps neither First Nations nor Canada move forward — presumably a desirable path, given the dire situation on many reserves and the billions of tax dollars wasted annually trying to fix things that never bring about desperately needed improvements.
Enough is enough.
Yes- if LIE-berals really want to help natives- instead of simply using them as a supply of easily BOUGHT votes, then LIE-berals should IMMEDIATELY admit that the Conservative mandated package of new laws imposed on reserves- that LIE-berals killed off- was actually a good idea that would limit corruption on reserves and thus IMPROVE quality of life for natives! Don’t hold your breath while waiting for that to happen! LIE-berals have no shame and no sense!)
We have approximately 600 Aboriginal tribes that want to remain separate and apart, and yet why would anyone self-segregate in these circumstances?
Particularly when we have an entire industry dedicated to the “The Great Game”, as Widdowson and her husband, Albert Howard, described it, that enriches the army of consultants and lawyers who feed on the “Aboriginal industry”.
Today, it’s a mutually beneficial game for the federal government and the politically savvy Aboriginal Rights Movement, but not necessarily for average Aboriginals.
For now, the two sides fight it out in court, contesting land claims and the meaning of self government.
But long term, we need a political, not a legal solution, that truly reconciles, as Trudeau promised, Canada’s relationship with its First Nations, given that progress will inevitably displace some.
Canada can only realize its potential with a citizenry that is unified and unconditionally Canadian, and with a PM who is more than a mascot and a prop for photo ops!
Another mind-numbingly long and irrelevant post. You might want to try and stay on topic.
Oh poor Bar Sinister- he is so poor a debater he follows LIE-beral rules- which defines a person as wrong or off topic if the points being made dispute LIE-beral othodoxy! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
WE have already established that electric toys being made by Tesla and other moudly green companies exist ONLY because LIE-berals are wasting huge amounts of our tax money to bribe the builders! We have also established that LIE-berals are bribing select groups such as natives so LIE-berals can cling to power at any price!
Here is an article exposing the failure of LIE-beral policy- and rthe sordid relationship between Wynne-bag LIE-berals and Tesla! With some comments of my own in brackets.):
Liberals take from the poor, give to the rich!
Steve Clark, Special to The Toronto Sun. First posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:38 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:46 PM EST
Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs.
The famous outlaw Robin Hood and his Merry Men achieved fame for robbing from the rich to give to the poor. Today we find an Ontario Liberal staffer taking a job at Tesla that shows the Wynne Liberals as Robin Hoods in reverse: They take from the poor to give to the rich.
Wynne and her cronies have done a lot to wreak havoc on Ontario - what they’ve done to the hydro system is case in point. We’ve long been outraged by their scheme to pay wealthy Ontarians to buy Teslas - a fancy electric car that is the status of symbol of choice for Silicon Valley billionaires. The price tag for one starts at $75,200 – more than the average Ontario families earns in a year.
And let me be clear, this subsidy only applies to one car manufacturer – Tesla.
Once upon a time, Kathleen Wynne said that people who can afford this type of car probably don’t need more help from the government. We agree. So why then did her government flip-flop and reinstate the Tesla-buyer’s subsidy?
(Admittedly the subsidy has been re-introduced at a lower rate but still it’s a subsidy of wealthy egotists too often just playing at being environmentalists! Are you really ENTITLED to burn thousands of litres of jet fuel flying from Toronto to Bahamas for a nice long weekend of golf- just so long as you drive your clean green govt subsidized Tesla to the airport? We KNOW wealthy people are Not using the costly Union to Pearson Up rail link!)
It’s a question I asked the premier in Question Period. She stonewalled. It’s a question I’d like to ask Environment Minister Glen Murray’s former chief of staff. He left the top job in the minister`s office to take a government relations job with Tesla the same month the tax break was announced.
(My own personal opinion- supported by various media reports- is that Wynne-bag is DESPERATE to make us like electric cars and will break the bank if she must to persuade us to accept her selfish and distorted vision of the future-the one were LIE-berals remain in power and NOBODY asks how Ontari-owe benefits from LIE-beral energy fiascoes- the ones that enable LIE-beral PALS to profit nicely!)
It’s bad enough that Wynne is having Ontario taxpayers give money so people can buy Teslas; but what’s truly insulting is the revolving door of lobbyists, politicians and their staff that is the Ontario Liberal government.
(And now that Tesla has put its Model 3 sedan into production we can see just how truly NOT READY electric cars are for mass use! The Tesla model 3 is offered at $35,000 U.S. while a Nissan Qashqai is offered at $20,00 Cdn- or about HALF the cost of the Tesla- with the Nissan offering up longer range, greater cargo capacity and easier refueling procedure! Neither LIE-berals nor tax payers have the money needed to persuade the public to get into an electric car- and without major govt bribery Tesla Model 3 will NOT sell in Canada!)
“You scratch my back, I scratch yours” seems to be how Wynne and her Liberals want to run Ontario. We saw it with the outrageous green energy deals given to huge multinational companies to build wind turbines – companies that donated $1.3 million to the Ontario Liberals. And we saw it with cash for access fundraisers, where government ministers traded access with companies they regulate for massive donations.
Meanwhile, every day, taxpaying Ontarians are suffering. Most of the people I know couldn’t afford to spend $75,200 on a car.
(And should we ask if that price is quoted in UNITED STATES DOLLARS-and includes all sales tax and delivery etc for the high end Tesla roadster- so beloved of ego driven billionaires? Probably we SHOULD ask for the full bottom line!)
Wynne’s Tesla-buyer’s subsidy benefits a narrow sliver of Ontarians who are already well-off. And the self-interest involved with senior political staff being hired by Tesla shows that her government`s ethics still haven’t hit bottom.
There is no proof yet that any laws or rules were broken, but a full investigation is needed. When Wynne gives special subsidies to companies who then go on to hire her top advisors, leaving Ontarians paying more for less and wondering who is going to stand up for them, something is seriously wrong.
(IT seems as if the prime LIE-beral focus is on expanding their shameless electrical slush fund by forcing us to buy electric vehicles that will need that LIE-beral power supply- thus ensuring a steady supply of gravy to green energy LIE-beral pals!)
We will stand up for Ontario families against this tax and spend Liberal Government that only wants to help their wealthy friends and donors and get re-elected.
Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs
(The REALLY SCARY part of all this LIE-beral spending madness is the HUGE array of IOU`S they have given to civil service union Hogs. LIE-berals owe about 55 billion dollars Cdn to high school teachers alone-with EIGHTEEN MORE PROVINCIAL UNIONS waiting for their turn at the trough- and this does NOT include the Hogs at federal and municipal level nor at the many crown corporations such as E-health, ORNGE, Hydro One or the colleges, universities and hospitals! If LIE-berals win the next election in 2018 we can expect a full scale financial blood bath as LIE-berals seek to honour their IMMENSE promises to the Hogs!)
Getting back to the OP.
How come I don't see very many EVs on the road today?
Barely see them at all really
How come I don't see very many EVs on the road today?
Barely see them at all really
We're not talking hybrids.... They have those nasty ICEs.
The numbers of full-on EVs are as low as they can get
The numbers of full-on EVs are as low as they can get
There market share has been holding steady at around 3% of sales for the last five or so years . Of course governments are the biggest purchasing block .