Alito Nomination May Bring Long-Anticipated Judiciary Fight

Hard-Luck Henry

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The social conservatives should be happy with this one, the Democrats surely won't be.

On the face it, one would think the Republican majority would be enough to carry Alito through. If he does get to the Supreme Court, he will be in a position to join forces with other social conservatives to reshape the whole culture of the nation. I just wonder, given Bush's dire ratings at present, and the current malaise within the Whitehouse, whether some Republican senators won't start looking towards their own Presidential ambitions - there may be some who wouldn't want him on their bench, and who might feel uneasy about moving the Supreme Court this far to the right just to appease the pro-lifers.

On the other hand, they may feel that the Republicans need to bolster their core support just now, and do the Macchiavelian thing - putting a social conservative on the bench would guarantee a lot of votes from those who just can't wait to start denying people rights, on the basis of their own malfunctioning moral compass. I'm sure there are plenty of politicians who could swallow that for a little taste of executive power.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
Alito could well run into trouble with moderate Republicans ans well as Democrats. His anti-woman anti-minority stance will not play well with those who depend on a base not comprised of the reigious right.

Anti minority Rev? That would be equivalent to the pot calling the kettle black. Judge Samuel Alito is of "EYE"talian heritage, making him a minority. Some may also go further and tag this specific ethnic group as a visible minority group.
 

Jo Canadian

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There are Scary days ahead

 

Hard-Luck Henry

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First one's funny, Jo ... hopefully the second will prove superfluous. :?
 

Semperfi_dani

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The thing that Dem's need to be careful about....do they want to be the one to reject the first legitimate Hispanic judge to the supreme court? Is the risk of alienating their Hispanic base, already dwindling to the republicans, even more?
 

Semperfi_dani

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Sorry..i just read your post Nascar James..i thought i saw on This week with George Stephanopolis that he was hispanic.
 

Reverend Blair

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Anti minority Rev? That would be equivalent to the pot calling the kettle black. Judge Samuel Alito is of "EYE"talian heritage, making him a minority. Some may also go further and tag this specific ethnic group as a visible minority group.

Some might be even nuttier than you, Nero. Alito is an old white man who is arrogant and disrespectful enough of your constitution that he thinks he can force his insane religious beliefs on others.
 

Jo Canadian

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Hard-Luck Henry said:
First one's funny, Jo ... hopefully the second will prove superfluous. :?

:? Unfortunately the second one is not supposed to be funny. It is there more as a follow up to the first one, to show the progression on where things could end up given the extreme religious views taking a very sensitive option away from people without thinking of the concequences.
 

Nascar_James

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Semperfi_dani said:
Sorry..i just read your post Nascar James..i thought i saw on This week with George Stephanopolis that he was hispanic.

No, he is an American Italian, Semperfi_dani. His dad was an Italian immigrant to the US.
 

Hard-Luck Henry

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Jo Canadian said:
Hard-Luck Henry said:
First one's funny, Jo ... hopefully the second will prove superfluous. :?

:? Unfortunately the second one is not supposed to be funny. It is there more as a follow up to the first one, to show the progression on where things could end up given the extreme religious views taking a very sensitive option away from people without thinking of the concequences.

Aah ... Thanks, Jo! Gotcha! :wink:
 

Semperfi_dani

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You know...just because a person comes into the courts left or right..that doesnt mean they vote that way. Sandra Day O'Connor, the supposed "lefty" has voted right on a number of issues. Scalia has voted left more often than not. I would be insulted to think that these people who are the smartest of the smart would be assumed that they wouldn't make the best decision once they get to office. Running your own court is a far difference from running the supreme court. Lets assume that if they become a supreme court, that they have the capability to have logic when they vote, not just political bias.
 

Hard-Luck Henry

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Semperfi_dani said:
You know...just because a person comes into the courts left or right..that doesnt mean they vote that way. Sandra Day O'Connor, the supposed "lefty" has voted right on a number of issues. Scalia has voted left more often than not. I would be insulted to think that these people who are the smartest of the smart would be assumed that they wouldn't make the best decision once they get to office. Running your own court is a far difference from running the supreme court. Lets assume that if they become a supreme court, that they have the capability to have logic when they vote, not just political bias.

Far point, Semperfi_dani, but we could just as easily assume that they do ... these appointments are political, by nature; if the Republicans have the opportunity to load the bench for the next X years, they'll take it ... don't you think?
 

Semperfi_dani

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Yep. I do. But how can you know if something is stacked, when your so called candidates vote against your policy. You have no way of knowing how anyone will vote when the issue comes to them. One can't assume that if the topic of abortion comes to him, that he will disregard the evidence and judicial arguments presented to him when that time comes.
 

Reverend Blair

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Alito's record shows that he has voted against women's rights more often than not and against minority rights more often than not. The Bush regime has made a habit of appointing people who are not fair or balanced, but representatives of the radical-right. In a very politically charged atmosphere, they are attempting the same now.

It has already cost them what little respect they had left internationally because of the appointments of Bolton and Wolfowitcz, and now they are going to piss off a good many moderate voters in yet another attempt to take away a woman's right to choose.
 

Semperfi_dani

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I am going to suggest that the Harriet Meirs nomination was a ploy. They knew a snowball in hell would have a better chance, but what better way to get the guy you want by nominating a contriversial candidate in the first place? Than when they get rejected, you can nominate the person you really want that is less balanced and accuse the other side of partisan politics and holding up the process. Im just speculation of course....
 

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Well I am sure all will be revealed in the coming weeks rev..I did find something kinda interesting tho 8O

"While everyone looks at his published opinions, it should be remembered that these are carefully crafted documents meant for review by the public. That is, they are "published" in a law book. Alito's incompentence and ignorance can be found in his "non-published" cases. A "non-published" case consists of a legal decision that is not found in the law books. In other words, Alito's decisions in these cases were not meant to come under scruting.

I have personally experienced the failure of Alito to take his job function seriously. He usually disposes of cases where the appellant does not have an attorney with a rubber stamp. His non-published opinions usually contain spelling errors, factual misstatements, and, of course, no concern for the law."

http://sam-alito.blogspot.com/
 

Reverend Blair

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I am going to suggest that the Harriet Meirs nomination was a ploy. They knew a snowball in hell would have a better chance, but what better way to get the guy you want by nominating a contriversial candidate in the first place? Than when they get rejected, you can nominate the person you really want that is less balanced and accuse the other side of partisan politics and holding up the process. Im just speculation of course....

You aren't the first to suggest that, dani. I don't think so though. It does not fit the way the Bush gang usually operates. For them to suddenly come up with a new tactic seems unlikely.

I think that what happened was that Bush thought he could get Miers appointed without too much noise. She had no record that the Democrats could bitch about and was acceptable to moderate Republicans.

I don't think he counted on the far right turning on him though. He thought they'd stick with him, but his approval rating is in the toilet, his closest advisor is involved in a scandal, Iraq is costing way too much in both money and political capital, and it's obvious to the entire world that Bush lied. He's hurt them badly with an election coming up and they wanted to be paid.
 

Nascar_James

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Reverend Blair said:
I don't think he counted on the far right turning on him though.

Aha ...! So you admit that President Bush isn't a far right radical, Rev ... that he's simply a moderate.
 

Hard-Luck Henry

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Alito's partisanship is obvious, hence his nomination, so how he may or may not vote if/when the topic of abortion comes before him is a moot point. It's the political context of this nomination that is disturbing: All the speculation regarding any potential new judge seem to revolve largely, if not solely around their views on this single issue.