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Sorry, folks, things aren't quite running as they should this morning. The thread took off without me!!! .Grrr..!

Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach has called a provincial election for March 3. It's the first time he'll lead his Progressive Conservatives to the polls since replacing Ralph Klein in late 2006.


"These are very exciting times for our province," Stelmach, 56, told a press conference Monday. "This is Alberta's moment. We have a very unique opportunity to secure our prosperity and our quality of life for decades to come.
"It's the beginning of Alberta's second century, and we're faced with the same opportunities, the same awesome potential, that drew settlers from many countries to Alberta over a hundred years ago, including my grandparents."

Alberta's prosperity has led to a shortage of health officials, rent in some areas has tripled, and police say there has been a steady rise in drug and fraud crime.
The main issues of the 28-day campaign are expected to be affordable housing in the province's booming economy, better infrastructure, and Stelmach's plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
Stelmach called the election right after Tuesday's throne speech, in which his party promised to eliminate health care premiums in four years. The move would save the average family more than $1,000 each year.
"We live in a volatile time," said Stelmach. "It's a time that demands new ideas and new policies and new energy."
The Progressive Conservatives also want to delay any reduction in emissions for 12 years, and then to lower them to 14 per cent below 2005 levels by 2050. That's below guidelines set by the Kyoto Accord, the European Union and the federal Conservative party.
Recent polls have suggested the Progressive Conservatives lead in support. The party has governed the province for more than 36 years and held 60 of 83 seats before Monday's election call.
Stelmach's main challenger is Alberta Liberal Leader Kevin Taft, whose party had 16 seats at dissolution.
Taft, author of a book about Alberta's infrastructure woes called "Shredding the Public Interest," became leader of the Liberal party in 2004.
He has promised to invest a third of Alberta's oil royalties on basic services, education, tax relief and the arts. Taft also wants to re-regulate electricity to lower the cost of energy for residents, and cap greenhouse gas emissions over the next five years.
Taft said Tuesday's throne speech lacked specific goals and makes for a poor campaign platform.

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DurkaDurka

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Alberta certainly won't legislate a reduction to oilsands development, what would the sense of that be? The province has zero debt, workers are well paid and the economy is booming.

Suggesting that the US is going to invade Alberta to secure their interests in non-sense and bordering on ridiculous.
 

dancing-loon

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Albertans will be voting

Yes, so... the Albertans will go to the polls and vote for the right things to happen in the future of this great and beautiful Province... called "God's Country"!!

Here is an interesting paragraph from an answer to me, dancing-loon, from a member of this forum as well as a true and tried genuine Albertan... Chriskander:
Taking the example of Alberta’s oilsands, it is reasonable to suppose the next government of the province will take steps to carry out the measures necessary to cool an overheated economy (that penalizes many sectors of its own economy), protect the northern environment, and work positively toward controlling carbon emissions. To do this by legislating a reduction in the pace of oil sands development would run counter to American plans to dominate the production here for their own future energy security. Following your mindset I would have to assume you would welcome a ‘Desert Storm’ operation here to take over the region and reassert American interests.
I live in Ontario and only visit occassionally the Southern Region around the Crow's Nest Pass. I have admired Ralph Klein for his good and long leadership, and I think most Albertans did, too. Albertans, I find, are proud of their achievements through hardships.

It will be interesting to watch what will be in store for them after the election. Will they vote for a new party? Will they vote for the sensible change that MUST take place according to Chris' opinion?

What are your views, opinions and speculations at this time? Perhaps we have a few more Albertans here on the CC board.
 
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DurkaDurka

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I would like to see a premier get elected in Alberta campaigning on the promise to slow down the oil sector, it would be political suicide there in my opinion. I don't think the average Albertan gives much credence to carbon reduction if it means a loss of livelihood or lower wages.

I can't see a party other then the conservatives coming to power in Alberta, they have dominated provincial politics for years and I don't see any indication that that's about to change.
 

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As of this morning on global news a new poll suggest that 27% of voters are undecided. I think that may be indicitive that some people are ready to put in a minority - I could live with that-we could pry some money from their greedy clutches.
Oilsands developement needs to be slowed down- They can only develop so much before saturation sets in and they spend twice as much money and only get a third more done. It's too hard on our infrastructure, what happens when everybody goes home? Almost every Newfoundlander I talk to has a set time that they will be here -2,5,10 years, they will save money-go home and buy a house.

Lester
 

Pangloss

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The cons will win again - the best we could hope for is a minority gov't. No party should be in power for as long as these guys have been - it's bad for democracy, the civil service, even the economy and environment.

It wouldn't matter who is the gov't right now - after 37 years in office, the rot inevitably sets in.

I'll be volunteering for the Libs - simple voting is nowhere near enough of a contribution to an election - and hoping to at least hurt the Con candidate.

If the Libs had been in power as long, I'd be volunteering for the Cons. Or the NDP or the Greens - whoever was in the #2 spot.

Pangloss
 

Lester

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Me too, I was a scrutineer for the libs last election will probably do the same this time around- there are a lot of people that came from liberal provinces that now live here, maybe that will make a difference. I totally agree, I vote for who has the best plan for Alberta, not out of party loyaty.

Lester

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faithlessforeve

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As of this morning on global news a new poll suggest that 27% of voters are undecided. I think that may be indicitive that some people are ready to put in a minority - I could live with that-we could pry some money from their greedy clutches.
Oilsands developement needs to be slowed down- They can only develop so much before saturation sets in and they spend twice as much money and only get a third more done. It's too hard on our infrastructure, what happens when everybody goes home?

Lester

The Albertans will have to use all that money they "earned" and spend it on the clean up. Meanwhile, the oilcompanies will have long forgotten Alberta.
 

karrie

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clean up? Who says there'll be clean up? If the industry pulls out, and the money's run dry (ie, been put into schools and hospitals etc), then I guarantee the oilsands project will sit like a giant wound. There'll be no clean up.
 

faithlessforeve

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clean up? Who says there'll be clean up? If the industry pulls out, and the money's run dry (ie, been put into schools and hospitals etc), then I guarantee the oilsands project will sit like a giant wound. There'll be no clean up.

That's an awful big wound!!! ouch!
 

karrie

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Yup. Mighty big indeed. Unless the gov starts making them hop to and clean up as they go, it's what we'll be left with.
 

karrie

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Frankly, I don't know how they figured they could mine it and restore it and still have it be feasible. PeaceRiver and Cold Lake seem to be doing better at it though than the Wabasca and Athabasca areas, though that could just be perception.
 

faithlessforeve

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Frankly, I don't know how they figured they could mine it and restore it and still have it be feasible. PeaceRiver and Cold Lake seem to be doing better at it though than the Wabasca and Athabasca areas, though that could just be perception.

I am going to do alot of reading about the oilsands tonight just so that I have a better understanding of this big boom I hear about so often. I understand there is alot of "money" to be made, but is that it? Just money.
 

karrie

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There's no such thing as 'just money'. Money means jobs. Even if it's in the short term. Jobs translate into retirement funds and pensions and schooling for your kids. It's never as simple as just money. I know some people who've been able to completely change their lives because of this boom. It's been the leg up they've needed to get the life they wanted. A decent house, a job where they call the shots because they're the ones in demand, where they can afford for someone to stay home with the kids.

It's never as simple as 'just money'.
 
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faithlessforeve

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There's no such thing as 'just money'. Money means jobs. Even if it's in the short term. Jobs translate into retirement funds and pensions and schooling for your kids. It's never as simple as just money. I know some people who've been able to completely change their lives because of this boom. It's been the leg up they've needed to get the life they wanted. A decent house, a job where they call the shots because they're the ones in demand, where they can afford for someone to stay home with the kids.

It's never as simple as 'just money'.

Yes, you are talking about human lives. Yes, they got their material stuff from it. Goody.
 

karrie

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material stuff? Family life isn't material.

Getting a leg up to move closer to family, isn't just material.

There are many many ways that financial freedom can impact a family that aren't simply material.
 

faithlessforeve

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faithlessforeve

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material stuff? Family life isn't material.

Getting a leg up to move closer to family, isn't just material.

There are many many ways that financial freedom can impact a family that aren't simply material.

Sorry if I sound touchy. I was just reading this article about the oilsands (link posted below). Read how many times the writer uses the word "money". It doesn't mention anything about the impact of the environement, the gas emissions, the polluted water, etc. It just reads greed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/20/60minutes/main1225184.shtml
 

Scott Free

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Suggesting that the US is going to invade Alberta to secure their interests in non-sense and bordering on ridiculous.

Not really. If we turned the tap off we could expect exactly that. There is no evidence to suggest they would accept our right to do so. They take oil very seriously and a Canadian invasion for such a reason is supported in their constitution. Since they don't follow international law anymore and we are about as protected as a fat rabbit, there really is no reason to think they wouldn't invade.